If it is true, it is one of the most absurd documents I have ever read, albeit one likely composed in a moment of desperation by both parties. There is no "cure" for pedophilia (save a lobotomy), only pedophiles who no longer act on their impulses.
If this is false, it is a sickening display of idiocy, and just one more piece of evidence of the degeneracy that pervades the white supremacist movement.
What's the original source of this paper? Elisha herself??
There are some doctors who claim they can control pedophiles by the use of drugs and therapy. CNN story
One of our clients we do medical billing for treats pedophiles out of John Hopkins University. He's been on CNN and has done dozens of TV interviews. A lot of his patients are court ordered for treatment.
Elisha posted it on Stormfront with this statement:
"You make it sound as if I've somehow contradicted myself when I have not.
"Long long story, short: I loved my husband with all my heart. I wanted him to get help for a serious problem. He agreed. We jointly contributed to and signed a contract in front of a notary. Do you understand that? It's notorized!
"And the fact is it wasn't me but rather Kevin's activities involving children that brought the FBI to my doorstep.
"More evidence would have come out in court had Kevin asked for bond -- a good reason for him not to ask, don't you think?
"Once again, those of you who are waiting for more information before judging are very smart. Those of you who have jumped to Kevin's defense when you know essentially nothing about the evidence are, unfortunately, going to look very foolish."
Pedophiles, in fact most sexual predators, are repeat offenders regardless of how much counseling they get.
As someone who has worked with the victims of such people, I can tell you that what she has said sounds feasable. If bond would have been sought, then he is smart enough to know that the prosecution would unleash some pretty horrid and heinous facts about Mr. Strom. He is hoping that those "facts" can be ameiliorated through cooperation with the Feds - or that his attorney can be granted a motion to supress certain items of "evidence."
It seems the evidence is going to be released unless he just pleads guilty. Maybe he doesn't have the money for bail.
Does he have an attorney yet?
Here's another thought. Do you think the "feds" are in possession of his membership list from National Vanguard along with their names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers,and other information? And who knows how many National Alliance documents?
Court dates can and often change without much notice. One motion by either the DA or Strom's attorney and you have a new court date.
Thinking of it after the fact... I bet Strom pleads a deal and all this evidence never reaches the view of the public. That way, Strom can do a "David Duke" and claim it was all a set up by the government but he had no choice but to plead guilty.
There's absolutely no reason to believe that pedophiles can be "cured".
Look, I like girls, or rather, considering the context here, let me be more clear--I like WOMEN.
It would take a LOT of work for someone to make me like men but maybe there's some shock/drug/hypnotherapy that would make me. But I doubt it is possible to make me STOP liking women.
I'd just add men to the list.
Sexual attraction is too deeply rooted to simply expect that there's a pill or a therapy that will make it go away.
The unfortunate truth might be that pedophiles are NEVER safe to rejoin society. And maybe sentences should reflect that.
Depo-Provera and Depo-Lupron are two injections they give to pedophiles. It's a form of chemical castration. But it is only temporary and if they stop getting the injections, they are no longer castrated. It's also costly, up to $500 per injection and few insurance companies will pay for it for the use of chemical castration. The pills also don't address the mental aspect of pedophiles and there is no cure for that.
I do agree that sexual attraction is too deeply embedded to get rid of.
Groups like Exodus International claims they can cure homosexuality but studies have shown this not to be the case.
Sometimes a pedophile can get the inner strength not to act on their fantasies but I wouldn't bet the health and welfare of innocent children on it.
Mental illness can not be cured but there are treatments/drugs that help reduce the symptoms. Most noticeable are bi-polars, they can be normal while on their meds but once they stop, you get a totally different person.
I believe the document is real. I also believe Kevin only signed it after he knew he was being investigated. Pedophiles usually only seek "treatment" when they get caught in order to save their hides. Of course, there is no real treatment for pedophiles except perhaps for physical castration. And even physical castration doesn't cure the mental aspects of pedophilia.
I don't know the studies for this, but I would be in favor of physical castration or some form of neutering as being a condition for release of high risk pedophiles from prison.
But...ya know, Harry - and I have called for castration as well - there are other forms of molestation that don't require a penis. It is that "mental state" that can't be taken care of. I agree - there is no cure and the vast majority of these defective individuals will continue to molest children in any way that they can.
Yeah - I know, Harry. And after reading some of the despicable things said on both VNN and now Stormfront I am sickened beyond belief. There ARE those who are truly Cro-Magnon!
And now there is this Matt Downing with a 14 year old girl. Between the Joy of Satan connection and what I believe might be a whole nest of perverted individuals being brought to the forefront - everyone who calls themselves a white nationalist should reconsider their life's choices.
Yeah - I know, Harry. And after reading some of the despicable things said on both VNN and now Stormfront I am sickened beyond belief. There ARE those who are truly Cro-Magnon!
And now there is this Matt Downing with a 14 year old girl. Between the Joy of Satan connection and what I believe might be a whole nest of perverted individuals being brought to the forefront - everyone who calls themselves a white nationalist should reconsider their life's choices.
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If it is true, it is one of the most absurd documents I have ever read, albeit one likely composed in a moment of desperation by both parties. There is no "cure" for pedophilia (save a lobotomy), only pedophiles who no longer act on their impulses.
ReplyDeleteIf this is false, it is a sickening display of idiocy, and just one more piece of evidence of the degeneracy that pervades the white supremacist movement.
What's the original source of this paper? Elisha herself??
ReplyDeleteThere are some doctors who claim they can control pedophiles by the use of drugs and therapy. CNN story
One of our clients we do medical billing for treats pedophiles out of John Hopkins University. He's been on CNN and has done dozens of TV interviews. A lot of his patients are court ordered for treatment.
I'm suspect about these treatments though.
Elisha posted it on Stormfront with this statement:
ReplyDelete"You make it sound as if I've somehow contradicted myself when I have not.
"Long long story, short: I loved my husband with all my heart. I wanted him to get help for a serious problem. He agreed. We jointly contributed to and signed a contract in front of a notary. Do you understand that? It's notorized!
"And the fact is it wasn't me but rather Kevin's activities involving children that brought the FBI to my doorstep.
"More evidence would have come out in court had Kevin asked for bond -- a good reason for him not to ask, don't you think?
"Once again, those of you who are waiting for more information before judging are very smart. Those of you who have jumped to Kevin's defense when you know essentially nothing about the evidence are, unfortunately, going to look very foolish."
Pedophiles, in fact most sexual predators, are repeat offenders regardless of how much counseling they get.
As someone who has worked with the victims of such people, I can tell you that what she has said sounds feasable. If bond would have been sought, then he is smart enough to know that the prosecution would unleash some pretty horrid and heinous facts about Mr. Strom. He is hoping that those "facts" can be ameiliorated through cooperation with the Feds - or that his attorney can be granted a motion to supress certain items of "evidence."
The pieces are starting to come together.
Michael - very well said - and I concur.
It seems the evidence is going to be released unless he just pleads guilty. Maybe he doesn't have the money for bail.
ReplyDeleteDoes he have an attorney yet?
Here's another thought. Do you think the "feds" are in possession of his membership list from National Vanguard along with their names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers,and other information? And who knows how many National Alliance documents?
It's a 100% yes they are.
Can you take photos inside a federal court house?
ReplyDeleteCourt dates can and often change without much notice. One motion by either the DA or Strom's attorney and you have a new court date.
Thinking of it after the fact... I bet Strom pleads a deal and all this evidence never reaches the view of the public. That way, Strom can do a "David Duke" and claim it was all a set up by the government but he had no choice but to plead guilty.
He's going to have to roll on some people to get out of this. And...yes - I think the Feds have all the info on NV and NA members and business.
ReplyDeleteThere's absolutely no reason to believe that pedophiles can be "cured".
ReplyDeleteLook, I like girls, or rather, considering the context here, let me be more clear--I like WOMEN.
It would take a LOT of work for someone to make me like men but maybe there's some shock/drug/hypnotherapy that would make me. But I doubt it is possible to make me STOP liking women.
I'd just add men to the list.
Sexual attraction is too deeply rooted to simply expect that there's a pill or a therapy that will make it go away.
The unfortunate truth might be that pedophiles are NEVER safe to rejoin society. And maybe sentences should reflect that.
Depo-Provera and Depo-Lupron are two injections they give to pedophiles. It's a form of chemical castration. But it is only temporary and if they stop getting the injections, they are no longer castrated. It's also costly, up to $500 per injection and few insurance companies will pay for it for the use of chemical castration. The pills also don't address the mental aspect of pedophiles and there is no cure for that.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that sexual attraction is too deeply embedded to get rid of.
Groups like Exodus International claims they can cure homosexuality but studies have shown this not to be the case.
Sometimes a pedophile can get the inner strength not to act on their fantasies but I wouldn't bet the health and welfare of innocent children on it.
Mental illness can not be cured but there are treatments/drugs that help reduce the symptoms. Most noticeable are bi-polars, they can be normal while on their meds but once they stop, you get a totally different person.
ReplyDeleteI believe the document is real. I also believe Kevin only signed it after he knew he was being investigated. Pedophiles usually only seek "treatment" when they get caught in order to save their hides. Of course, there is no real treatment for pedophiles except perhaps for physical castration. And even physical castration doesn't cure the mental aspects of pedophilia.
I don't know the studies for this, but I would be in favor of physical castration or some form of neutering as being a condition for release of high risk pedophiles from prison.
But...ya know, Harry - and I have called for castration as well - there are other forms of molestation that don't require a penis. It is that "mental state" that can't be taken care of. I agree - there is no cure and the vast majority of these defective individuals will continue to molest children in any way that they can.
ReplyDeleteThat's true Nikki, many pedophiles turn to fondling with their fingers or other objects. Makes me sick thinking of it.
ReplyDeleteGroups like NAMBLA and perverts who want the age of consent lowered almost make me in favor of the death penalty.
Yeah - I know, Harry. And after reading some of the despicable things said on both VNN and now Stormfront I am sickened beyond belief. There ARE those who are truly Cro-Magnon!
ReplyDeleteAnd now there is this Matt Downing with a 14 year old girl. Between the Joy of Satan connection and what I believe might be a whole nest of perverted individuals being brought to the forefront - everyone who calls themselves a white nationalist should reconsider their life's choices.
Yeah - I know, Harry. And after reading some of the despicable things said on both VNN and now Stormfront I am sickened beyond belief. There ARE those who are truly Cro-Magnon!
ReplyDeleteAnd now there is this Matt Downing with a 14 year old girl. Between the Joy of Satan connection and what I believe might be a whole nest of perverted individuals being brought to the forefront - everyone who calls themselves a white nationalist should reconsider their life's choices.