Friday, March 14, 2008

WHEN LOVE & HATE COLLIDE

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Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church groups thought they would bring their message of hate to Oklahoma and to Tinker Airforce Base today - but they found out that a little love speaks much louder than they.


Initially, police had placed both sides behind barricades more than a half block apart. Police maintained a strong presence though not nearly as strong as that found at, let's say, a neo-Nazi rally.

Fred Phelps, notorious for picketing the funerals of our fallen soldiers brought his contingent to the heartland after a tragic shooting at Tinker Airforce Base claimed the lives of two small children and their father, a decorated war veteran, in a murder-suicide. Claiming that God is punishing America for allowing gays in the military and turning the country into a modern day Sodom and Gamorrah. On his website, announcement of the planned protest stated that God had put the gun in the father's hands.

While there were only 9 or 10 present in his group, they brandished different signs, all reprehensible, throughout the protest, most of which was expected. However there was a collective gasp among onlookers as signs reading "Kill More Kids" and "Pray For More Dead Soldiers" were displayed. But the real story in all of this is what happened in the street and on the sidewalk.

As I approached the anti-Fred Phelps group about 30 minutes prior to the start-time, there was something very special in the air. There were approximately 30 protestors already gathered and that number swelled to near 100 by the end of the event. But, the feeling of love and togetherness was almost palpable. They told me that, above all, they support the troops and that they were all about love not hate. But, they didn't have to tell me that - because amid the traffic and the noise, there was a peacefulness that you couldn't help but feel emanating from this group of very young people.

In contrast to the youth, a familiar sight rode in just as the drama was beginning to unfold...the Viet Nam Veterans group of bikers who have dogged Phelps and his hateful army ever since he started ingratiating himself into the private and somber burying of our war-dead. They came right down the middle of the street and everyone cheered knowing that they make an awesome presence for our side - and they didn't let us down.

As the Westboro Baptist Church spewed their venom, the bikers turned their backs. As the hideous words were shouted they were drowned out by the revving of engines. Wearing grim faces of determination and disgust, the bikers stood tall in the face of one of the most evil little group of haters ever to be seen in the likes of the heartland. Not only did their presence command attention and appreciation - their presence reinforced the message of love of both country and our people. Their presence signified the generations who have come before and brought with it a unification of the old and the young...a bridging of all gaps that might have once existed.

Even that wasn't the whole story, however. The street in front of the gates into Tinker Air Force base is a major thouroughfare as it is also a major artery onto and off of I40. It is also Midwest City's main shopping area and the protest was planned, probably by design, for the lunch-hour. While there about 100 protestors on the sidewalk - there were hundreds of cars on the street honking their horns, shouting, and making their displeasure with Phelps known. It was pretty incredible.

As Citizens Against Hate we were not kept behind the barricades and we mingled freely with the protestors, police, and press. Lacy Montgomery, head of Teens Against Hate, is responsible for most of the excellent photos displayed and we thank her for making the trip into OKC.

In closing, the Westboro Baptist Church met their match today in Oklahoma and the message of love not hate was communicated loudly and firmly. While Fred Phelps only controls a handful of members his message is particularly heinous. Watching young children - very young children - brandish placards announcing that "God Sent the Killer" or "Fags Doom Nations" caused a lot of mouths to drop and a lot of people to stop just to see if they head seen that right. One can only wonder what sort of life these children have and what sort of adults they will become.

There was one arrest today that we know of. An onlooker was so outraged by the signs and the message as well as the fact that one of the group was standing on the American flag, that he crossed over into the WBC area. Police spent a lot of time trying to calm him down and finally put him in a police car. Sadly, while I abhor violence, I can almost understand his rage. But, the rule of the day was love - you could feel it - almost taste it - and it was glorious.

25 comments:

  1. Link for pics isn't working, it's defaulting to the myspace.com main page.

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  2. We Okies don't take well to hate groups. We've seen the effects of hate in the form of the Federal Center bombing. Idiots like these should just stay home. Their message of hate isn't welcome here.

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  3. here's some of the reasons youse "anti-" eedjits will NEVER win a no-holds barred debate with informed White Nationalists:

    they told me that, above all, they support the troops and that they were all about love not hate

    IOW: they DO "support" hate...the list of such crimes being perpertrated by 'Kwan ZOG-bots in Iraq & Afghanistan is long & dismal:

    *indiscriminate bombing of civilians (including "false-flag" suicide bombings!)

    *torture of detainees & prisoners;

    *use of banned weapons (such as: cluster bombs, white phosphorous and poison gas) against civilian populations!

    *indiscriminate use of depleted uranium in civilian areas;

    *looting of a nation's natural resources(oil, gold, natural gas)

    these and many more heinous crimes have been perpertrated against the civilian populations of Iraq & Afghanistan; the n° of Iraqi civilian fatalities as a result now exceeds one million according to a rigorous & reputable study under-taken by the prestigious, British peer-reviewed scientific journal
    The Lancet; the number of Iraqi refugees alone exceeds five million (some ¼ of the population!).....the list of atrocities far exceeds those allegedly committed in Vietnam & Cambodia some forty years ago now; as such: "supporting" an army engaging in such despicable acts (much, much worse than any-thing the maligned "nazis" were ever convincingly accused of) implies a level of "acceptance & agreement" with such acts if not major character defects that would "condone" such barbarity!....i support the Aussie troops but only because, by and large, they are doing their best, trying to help women & children where they can and, generally, behaving with honour & decency.....if they stopped doing that, then I would no longer "support" them....and who are these people who profess such "support" any-way?.....i was under the impression that the reason the Democratic Party now controls both the Congress and the Senate of the US is exactly because of a popular revulsion @ the above despicable acts!....perhaps these afore-said "supporters" are more marginalised than the WBC, whose motivations i do not profess to know, although i applaud their condemnation of homo-sexuality (a filthy practice that was universally condemned & reviled by all Western societies until the jew-inspired and controlled "counter-cultural revolution" of the 1960s & the 1970s!)

    several high-ranking US military personnel (the most recent being Admiral William Fallon) have quit in disgust since the 2003 jew-controlled-ZOG-bot invasion of Iraq on totally bogus pre-texts....can they also be accused of "not supporting" the troops?

    ...the Viet Nam Veterans group of bikers who have dogged Phelps and his hateful army

    hateful army?

    aorry....have any of the WBC been accused of or indicted for crimes against humanity such as those alleged against illegal US occupation forces....?....

    ...since he started ingratiating himself into the private and somber burying of our war-dead

    "war-dead"?.....WTF?....i must'v missed sumthin'!

    has the United States government formally declared a "state of war" against either Iraq or Afghanistan?

    some dumb-fuck "okie" sez:
    ....We Okies don't take well to hate groups. We've seen the effects of hate in the form of the Federal Center bombing...

    oh yeah!
    u must mean the following hate groups:

    *ADL;

    *SPLC;

    *FBI

    ......ALL accesories both before & after the fact to the 1993 Murrah Building bombing!

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  4. Shut up, Jimbo NewsGay. You are a faggot.

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  5. If you didn't already know that Jimbo was lying and stupid: The Murrah building was bombed in 1995 not 1993 like the idiot has stated.

    And he calls himself a "informed White Nationalist" it is just too damn funny. Hey "Jimbo" why should a so called "anti" debate you? You make a ass out of yourself without anyone's help. ROFL! LOL!

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  6. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO BLOW EVERYONE'S MIND.

    Homosexuality has been a practice for centuries, and not just among humans. {e.g.-bonobo chimp} Recently it has been proven that homosexuality starts in the womb, usually because the mother is in a very crowded and stressful environment. This makes scientific sense if you think of homosexuality as a tool to curb overpopulation, which logically...makes perfect sense. The mother was in a crowded environment, the offspring is homosexual and does not produce offspring, in turn leading to less children, less crowded.....you get what I'm saying.


    The above, at least in my opinion, makes perfectly logical sense. It's a natural reaction to overpopulation to keep us from reaching such a point that we start to die off in mass numbers due to lack of food and resources.

    What DOESN'T make sense is a bunch of ass-backwards hillbillies proclaiming to know millions and millions of people's fates by picking out one of their traits {one that the aforementioned hillbillies don't even try to understand} and saying that they're going to hell for them. That makes NO sense.

    Sometimes I think I'd like to talk to Fred Phelps, but I know if I were ever given the chance, I'd have to turn it down. When people won't listen, they won't listen, and nothing you say is going to change that. It just kills me that some people {jimbo included, and I'm getting to you, son} can think the way they do.



    JIMBO. First off, let me say that your use of slang does nothing but perpetuate the stereotype of the typical back-woods redneck inbred, so if you were going for some sort of "intellectual" thing....epic fail.

    We DO support love, not hate. You can bring out 5 million details of the "atrocities" committed by our soldiers, but it doesn't change a damn thing. These are our brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers. Even if I did consent and say "Alright, the things they've done are terrible", it would not lessen the love I have for those who have fought for us. And with that, do you think America is the only society to ever engage in

    "*indiscriminate bombing of civilians (including "false-flag" suicide bombings!)*torture of detainees & prisoners;*use of banned weapons (such as: cluster bombs, white phosphorous and poison gas) against civilian populations!*indiscriminate use of depleted uranium in civilian areas;*looting of a nation's natural resources(oil, gold, natural gas)"

    ? Hell no we're not. I'm not saying those things aren't bad. THEY ARE HORRIBLE. But how about instead of going to protest at someone's funeral, you go out and try to change something? We DO have the ability to try and get bills passed, we can write in to senators....we can actually do something about it. God forbid we get up off of our lazy asses and try to actually change the world.

    Oh, wait, I forgot. You guys don't really want to change the world, do you? You just want something to complain about, something to hate. How awful would it be for you to go one day without feeling that anger inside of you? Would you be empty? Would you be tired? Or would you just be terrified, because you would finally have to take a long hard look at what you've let yourself become?

    Good luck with that one, jimbo. And if you ever want to have a real debate, look me up. I can verbally tear your world apart face to face if you so wish.

    -Holley

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  7. I just posted a link to the interview from Oklahoma and the Phelps protest. Also, for those having trouble viewing the pics - I posted another link - hope that helps.

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  8. Okie not from Muskogee - I hear ya. I was in OKC the day of the bombing - actually not very far away at all. We will never forget - we cannot tolerate hate in any form.

    Holley r - jimbo deserves no quarter. He is simply a miserable human being who just doesn't fit in anywhere so he nettles anti-racists and those who stand against racism and bigotry. Someday he may grow up - but I doubt it.

    Fred Phelps and his congregation are some of the most despicable people walking this planet.

    As I stood there yesterday among the protestors, police, and media, I couldn't help but join in the collective outrage over signs reading "Pray for More Dead Kids" and "Pray For More Dead Soldiers." And among those signs was one reading "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

    Now, those who know me know that I am very much against this damnable war that has been waged by a madman on others. However, that does not mean that I don't have much love for the troops who have been caught up in all of this.

    Everytime I read about Phelps & his crew picketing the funeral of a fallen soldier I see red. Yesterday was no different.

    I did follow up on the marine recruit who entered the Phelps zone. He was charged with obstructing the police and was released on an $800 bond. This was money that he had earned as a reservist.

    He was not part of the anti-Phelps protest. He had just come off the base from getting a hair-cut when he saw one of the women stuffing the American flag down her pants. He parked his car and crossed the barricade where police intercepted him.

    I am waiting for further information as to a fund-raiser for the 20 year old marine-reservist and will publish that should it materialize. Police at the scene tried very hard to calm the young man and one later told me that the last thing they wanted to do was to arrest him.

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  9. How come Nikki doesn't have anything to say about the racism of Pastor Wright?

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  10. anonymous said...
    How come Nikki doesn't have anything to say about the racism of Pastor Wright?

    Hide and watch.

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  11. Personally, I don't find Phelps to be worth much. He is not really a movement, he is loser and an attention hog.

    His whole movement is his demented family.

    The authorities should have gone after this loser is when he was abusing his kids when they were young.

    He would use garden tools to severly beat his children and has caused permanent physical and emotional damage to them.

    One of his son's is either in the process of writing a book or it has already been published about the nightmare Phelps has caused his kids.

    In any case, I would think this would be an interesting angle if you are faced with covering him in the future.

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  12. okie: If you didn't already know that Jimbo was lying and stupid: The Murrah building was bombed in 1995 not 1993 like the idiot has stated

    typical kike tactics!....jump all over one small mistake, while ignoring all the other "points", & then "claim" u'v won the argument!.....as it happens, i was thinking of the Waco/Branch Davidian massacre, which occurred in 1993, and which was the purported reason for the OKC bombing!

    "holley r": Homosexuality has been a practice for centuries, and not just among humans. {e.g.-bonobo chimp} Recently it has been proven that homosexuality starts in the womb, usually because the mother is in a very crowded and stressful environment. This makes scientific sense if you think of homosexuality as a tool to curb overpopulation, which logically...makes perfect sense. The mother was in a crowded environment, the offspring is homosexual and does not produce offspring, in turn leading to less children, less crowded.....you get what I'm saying

    yeh....i "get" WTF yr saying...&, what's more, i'v heard all that guff before....from ZOG & its minions.....a couple of isolated instances of "homo-sexuality" in Naute (if it even qualifies as that) are "trotted out" by the kike-en-vermin to "prove" that faggotry is "normal"...what they never say, of course, is that such behaviour is highly un-usual and, more likely than not, the result of genetic degradation(s)...also: it is completely different from the sort of faggotry practised by "humans"...which is deliberate and intentional as opposed to some-thing best described as "confused animal behavioural patterns" @ best!

    And if you ever want to have a real debate, look me up. I can verbally tear your world apart face to face if you so wish

    doubt it!

    and: you won't be doin' that un-less yr a fellow-Aussie!

    but: to save you a $US2000 'plane fare, why not call in & "argue the toss" on any up-coming "FTL"?...pick one that's got Alex Linder as a "guest caller"; Nikki 'tard Nutz reckson he's "as dumb as dirt"; so: you should have no problemos, eh?

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  13. I am waiting for further information as to a fund-raiser for the 20 year old marine-reservist and will publish that should it materialize. Police at the scene tried very hard to calm the young man and one later told me that the last thing they wanted to do was to arrest him

    yeh..'course u r, u femi-marxist twat bag!

    the Iraq/Afghanistan quagmire has the ZOG "good-house-keeping seal of approval" because, basically, itz a war for Israhell's benefit, right?.....un-like Vietnam....although both were based on "bullshite pre-texts"....the former on the joint MOSSAD/CIA 9/11 false-flag psy-op & the latter on the bogus Gulf of Tonkin incident.....if you were really concerned about the fate of white military personnel (which, of course, you're NOT because yr a kike cunt....right?)...then YOU'd be carrying banners/placards proclaiming NO WARs for Israel!

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  14. For those in the know, "Jimbo" is a little self hating Jew who is confined to a wheel chair and abuses meth. He doesn't live in Australia, Iceland, or any of the other places he claims.

    He was hated on VNN by none other than Yankee Jim and many others.
    He "lives" on Nimbusters where he has many socks: NewsGuy, Urinal Kike, SLEDGEHAMMER88, and DeLorean. He has the most boring wars with his own socks. He is a complete idiot and safely ignored. Just ignore him him, he hates that. LOL!

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  15. I always start a debate thinking things will somehow be different, that maybe this time the person won't be an idiot who just wants to ramble....but it always turns out the same.

    what they never say, of course, is that such behaviour is highly un-usual and, more likely than not, the result of genetic degradation(s)

    You, sir, have no base. Everything you just said is false. What are you doing, just makin' shit up as you see fit? THE WORLD DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. You can think whatever you want, but you cannot claim something to be fact which is most obviously fiction. You. Fail.

    it is completely different from the sort of faggotry practised by "humans"...which is deliberate and intentional as opposed to some-thing best described as "confused animal behavioural patterns" @ best!

    I'm not sure if you can actually read, or if you're just slapping the keyboard intermittently hoping for some sense to come out of it, but if you are the least bit literate then go read this and see how wrong you are.

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-20164884.html

    There is no confusion in that species, which we share 98% of our genetic makeup with...It is the way the whole of their species is. And please don't make another comment before taking the time to think about what you're saying. It makes you look quite pathetic

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  16. Holly- Jimbo is NIMBuster sock puppet.

    He isn't even a real racist, he's a bored worthless idiot with a drinking problem who thinks his posts are funny and it's funny to watch people react to them.

    Ignore it like it is a flea.

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  17. ANSWP Mike Downs exposed.
    http://eyesonhate.blogspot.com/2008/03/answp-mike-downs-exposed.html
    4107 Colley Ave, Norfolk, VA 23508, USA
    (757) 440-5911

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  18. I'll shoot down a little bit of this for fun.

    Hey Okie, here's a question for your spineless nerve center to ponder: since you don't tolerate hate, how do you deal with our hate filled government? How do you deal with jewish hate organizations like the ADL? Its ok to bomb and kill people in Iraq as long as no one hates, right? You can burn people to death in a church in Waco, just not hate, huh? Crank up Travis Tritt and don't attempt any more opinions.

    Holley, as far as the 98% genetic non-difference, we all share about 98% of the same genes are a gorilla too. Inconvient fact, huh? Damn science!

    And Nikki, didn't you just say hate was natural and ok in a recent broadcast? You can hate Al Quida since jews hate them too, right? And they do horrible things like blow up buildings (except without fighters, smart bombs and cruise missles). Could you check with a local rabbi and get a list of who we are morally allowed and disallowed to hate?

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  19. anonymous said...
    How come Nikki doesn't have anything to say about the racism of Pastor Wright?

    How come white supremacist never talk about white on white murders hummmmm?????

    You figure they would since 85 of all whites murdered are murdered by other whites.

    Sarasota and Bradenton were nice to visit this time of time, saw no sign of Blevins, he must have been hiding in the "bunker". Too bad, I really did have my baseball bat ready for action.

    Spring training games are great. (which is why we were down there... so Blevins can relax)

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  20. Dammit, Drake, can't you come up with anything new?

    You're smarter than that!

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  21. Hey Chris, how about finding a real flaw in my argument instead of just repeating what I have just said? :D

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  22. Also:

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    CIDR: 12.107.40.64/28
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    Next time you are in roanoke, stop in and say hi to Billy! Maybe he'll give you a glass of lemonade or something.

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  23. Nikki - If you were in OKC on the day of the bombing, you ought to do a post on that. It would be quite interesting to read of your experience and impressions, regardless of the ideological divide. I spent five years of my military career at Tinker, so I have some memory of the place. I found Okies to be stand-up, salt-of-the-earth people.

    Regarding Fred Phelps, he lost credibility with me when he started picketing soldier's funerals. To show up and picket the funeral of someone who has given his life in military service to his or her country is truly despicable - one cannot go much lower than that.

    What Phelps should have done is to continuing picketing gay venues instead. I recall when Brokeback Mountain was released, and how personally disappointed I was that WBC didn't capitalize on the gift-wrapped opportunity to remind the nation of the dangers of the homosexual agenda by picketing movie theaters which showed Brokeback Mountain.

    BTW, Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern rocks! She now joins Utah State Senator Chris Buttars in my personal political Hall of Fame.

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  24. Oh my god you idiots read the fucking news, please, or maybe take a few seconds to read my earlier post, something before you just run in here and start spewing nonsense.

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  25. Chris Drake: You are a sad little man. It is your perception of hate. I don't find the government or the ADL (which was only formed to protect Jewish people from people like you) filled with hate. Only your lot of idiots who post on VNN and have a warped perception of the world. Now get back to the your shift at BK and leave the thinking to people who are qualified. Once again you score a zero on the point scale.

    Yankee Jim had a great idea. I just love it when WN's hang themselves. LOL!

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