Friday, June 06, 2008

Once a Nazi Not Always A Nazi

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Christer Mattson, Swedish Holocaust educator, is seen during a visit to the Yad Vashem holocaust memorial in Jerusalem, Monday, June 2, 2008. They used to paint swastika graffiti, get into street fights with immigrants, distribute anti-Semitic propaganda. But after studying the cases of a few of the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis during World War II, some former Swedish neo-Nazi teenagers came to the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial to underline their new attitudes. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)

Former neo-Nazis become Holocaust commemorators
By ARON HELLER – 2 days ago

JERUSALEM (AP) — They used to paint swastika graffiti, get into street fights with immigrants and distribute anti-Semitic propaganda.

But after studying the cases of a few of the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis during World War II, some former Swedish neo-Nazi teenagers came to the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial with new attitudes.

The teens, some of whom were active members of neo-Nazi groups, visited the memorial Monday to present the findings of their research into the stories of 16 Holocaust victims from their hometown of Karlstad, and add pages of testimony for the previously unknown dead.

The project is the initiative of Swedish Holocaust educator Christer Mattsson. The concept is to take troubled youths off the street, confront their prejudices and ignorance and slowly convert them into Holocaust educators themselves.

"The first time I took a neo-Nazi to Auschwitz, I didn't know what to expect," he said. "But after seeing it, after seeing where Jews used to live, he said: 'I can no longer deny it happened, or salute what happened.'"

The journey has been an arduous one. Of the 100 teenagers in his program, Mattsson said about five to eight are "hard-core neo-Nazis" — some completely reformed, others not. Those, some sporting Nazi tattoos, did not make the trip to Israel, either for fear of offending survivors or to remain anonymous for their own safety.

The only former active member who arrived, 17-year-old Joar, refused to be photographed and would be identified only by his first name for fear of retribution from his former friends.

The shy, blond Joar hid behind a baseball cap and a large pair of sunglasses. He would only say that he used to have "different opinions."

"I didn't know so much. I've learned a lot about the Holocaust," he said, through a translator. "I have a different perspective on life now."

Sweden remained neutral during World War II. It had a very small Jewish population and closed its gates to refugees. That policy began to change as the horrors of the Holocaust became apparent and Sweden began to lean toward the allies.

In 1944, Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg began handing out papers to save thousands of Hungarian Jews from the Nazi death camps. After the war, some 27,000 survivors arrived in Sweden.

In Karlstad, 16 Jewish women died shortly afterward, most from illness, and were buried in a Jewish cemetery. Mattsson took his students there to ask them if they still believed the Holocaust to be a myth. They, in turn, decided to investigate the women's stories. The result is a 100-page book that details their stories.

On Monday, they presented their findings to Israel's official Holocaust museum and memorial.

Yad Vashem spokeswoman Estee Yaari said it probably marked the first time it had ever dealt directly with neo-Nazis.

The teenagers toured the museum and met with Mirjam Akavia, a Holocaust survivor who fled to Sweden after the war.

She vividly described her childhood and how she was yanked out of school and sent to the camps, where only she and sister emerged while the rest of her family perished.

"When I was 12, it was the end of my beautiful childhood. It was the end of everything," she said.

The Swedish teenagers were not much older when they encountered their own local brand of anti-Semitism.

"The headmaster of my former school, who is here today, was beaten up by people I knew three years ago," said 17-year-old Jennifer Lindstrom, who said she joined Mattsson's group so she could have the tools to battle her classmates' rhetoric and actions.

"Maybe because I have been studying about the Holocaust and Nazism, maybe because I have been to Auschwitz and the empty shtetels (Jewish villages) in Poland or maybe because I got sick and fed up with racism and neo-Nazis — I could not remain silent."

Lindstrom's principal was assaulted because he tried to keep the neo-Nazi students out of his school. The two other teenagers in the group were Johanna Karlsson and Deken Izat, a Kurdish immigrant to Sweden who used to belong to a rival gang that battled with Joar's.

Lindstrom said that finding out what happened in her own backyard proved to be the best way for her and her new friends to counter racism.

"It is slightly unreal to be here today and handing over material that we have worked with for so long, knowing that it will be here at Yad Vashem for always," Lindstrom said.

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  10. Jimbo or whatever your name is - you have to be one of the most worthless individuals who ever walked upright - that is, if you even do walk upright.

    Slugs have bigger brains - and probably everything else than you do. Your vitriolic vomit is totally unwelcome in most places - and that would include here.

    So...spew your venom and your shit somewhere else - or - better yet, choke on it.

    No one cares to read the rantings of a man obviously out of his mind and out of his element. You degrade yourself everytime you place a message here because of your inability to function on this earth as a human being and your lack of intelligence.

    Personally, I don't think you are anything but a fake and phony - and neither do those you consider "your people." You are ignorant beyond belief and lack the tools to engage in any kind of discussion. Go back under your rock or to the sewer you crawled out of.

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  11. Nikki, Jimbo is a Nimbuster troll. He is a little guy that is most likely Jewish but in total denial. He is only looking for attention. He rejects the US because of the diversity trend that is going on in this country. He is from New York but pretends to be from other places. He has been banned from VNN, Hal's old board and just about every place else. He is a total loser. Ignoring him hurts him worst of all.

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  12. It is a cliche' but never less true:

    Racism is a disease, education is the cure.

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  13. Nikki fck Nutz...u fckn kike cunt...we may well "meet up" one day soon, u fckn gruesome baby-butchering whore!....when that day arrives...i'll take great pleasure in SPLATTERING yr BRAINS ALL OVER THE NEAREST SHIT-HOUSE WALL!

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  23. NOW, u LISTEN to ME, U FCKN JEW WHORE!.....I TOLD YOU ONCE BEFORE NOT TO FCK WITH my posts!...IF U DID, I'D SIMPLY 're-do' THEM!....NOW YOU SEE I "keep my word" UN-LIKE U FCKN JEW SCUM!...BTW: that took less than 10mnts of cut 'n' paste!...ahh....ain't computers & the i/net jes' bloody GRAND?!?

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  24. Nikki it is very simple to get rid of this turd. Report him to his ISP. I had the same problem with Holsten for a while. I reported him and Stevo got down right civil. Write google and they will do it for you :) LOL! No more Troll! LOL!

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  25. Jimbo - ya better bring a lot of help.

    I have been ignoring this asswipe - just as most everyone does - but yesterday I just felt like telling him off.

    For whatever reason he has just attached himself to me and I don't much care for his idea of romance.

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  26. I'm at all sure what motivates the "Dimbusters" they sit around fag laming themselves to death. They seem to hate one another to a man. The only thing that seems to hold them together is their hatred for Steve. Truly a bunch of sad cases.

    I'd say they were all harmless but as in the case of Yankee Jim, people like can sometimes explode.

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  27. Ping Floyd Cochran:

    Very important, Hal Turner is suing Tyler Memorial Hospital in Tunkhannock, PA... You need to notify the hospital that Turner has a history of faking illnesses and injuries.

    I just emailed them a whole history of Hal's bogus health claims.... But you live fairly close to there.... they might need your help in the court case

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  28. Yeah, I am going to snail mail them a CD with Hal talking on his show about dying of several illnesses. Thanks for the heads up on Little Harold, Harry.

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  29. Jimbo - ya better bring a lot of help

    the only "help" needed will be one white man....me!

    u & yr entire 'crew' can be easily 'disposed' of within ½-an-hr!

    i'v done "time" in Geelong Prison, Victoria for "fixing up" bitches like you before!.....no "skin off my schnozz"!

    BTW: u'v just demonstrated to the world what an advocate for 'free speech' you are by deleting the best part of two dozen posts!

    well done, yenta!

    (perhaps you'd like to join these delightful fellow-members of yr 'tribe' for a celebration?)

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  30. Well...you just demonstrated to the world that everything I said about you was accurate.

    So...you enjoy "fixing up bitches" huh? As I suspected, you are a real brave man.

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  31. While I find them repulsive, I at least have respect for the neo-Nazis and racist righters who can be honest and put forth the following genocidal argument:

    "Hitler didn't go far enough in the Holocaust, and he should have killed all the Jews."

    Such racists at least can tell the truth, or don't need to deliberately distort history in order to state their case.

    Unfortunately, Holocaust denial is popular in the various racist movements now, and is sort of a de rigueur requirement for joining most of these groups.

    To most of the racist right, acknowledging the Holocaust means that a person must therefore be in league with da Joos, or is an unwitting dupe of a Joo-ish historical conspiracy. Either way, a racist treads on thin ice by telling the truth.

    BTW - I always wonder how much the Holocaust deniers really believe this poorly-constructed false history, and how much they just do it out a juvenile sense of thinking that denying the Holocaust just pisses off the Jews they hate so much.

    Any thoughts?

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  32. yeh.....here's a 'thought'....even if 'the Holocaust' was true...which, of course, it ain't!(the very fact that most Western 'democracies' have severly criminalised any serious investigations of it proves that!...there was also a link to a VNN 'thread' which analysed all the bogus 'arguments' used to bolster the traditional 'lie' of the Holocaust...but the owner of this 'blog, being jewish her-self and, hence, having 'a vested interest', decided to 'delete' it! :-|~o )....the jews deserved & deserve no special status, compensation or consideration because of it.....millions of people were horribly affected by World War Two....and received little or no recompense for their troubles; also: the Jews have always been a rich & priveleged minority...as such & 'all up': they shouldn't have received a ZACK in 'compensation' or 'reparations'!

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  33. Historymike - There are those who have wasted almost an entire life on this and making attempts to "prove" their thesis. While I believe that there are those who truly believe this nonsense - I also think that their is merit in your premise that many more do not really buy into it but find it a useful tool to "piss off da joos."

    There are also those who have benefitted monetarily by furthering their preposterous arguments.

    Like you, I have much more respect for those who simply state their racist beliefs than those who attempt to distort history or obfuscate facts just to appear more "mainstream."

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  34. HistoryMike,

    Ten years ago, the racist used to brag about the holocaust. Five years ago, they couldn't make up their minds.

    Now, it seems today, holocaust denial is all the rage among them.

    Nearly all white supremacism revolves around lies and/or mental illnesses. (Michael Blevins is an example of both)

    And the Klan hated the nazis... so much that they hated the nazis, most of them abandoned the klan during world war 2 to focus on defeating the nazis.

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  35. It kind of boggles the imagination, given that the Holocaust is one of the most documented events of the last 100 years Holocaust
    that anyone could be so ignorant to deny it. George Lincoln Rockwell started the Holocaust denial argument and clearly he never backed it up with any facts.

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  36. And the Klan hated the nazis... so much that they hated the nazis, most of them abandoned the klan during world war 2 to focus on defeating the nazis

    the jews had total control of the 'Kwan media during WWII; so: they could inflame anti-nazi feelings quite easily seeing as how their were no "counter-arguments", un-like to-day with the i/net; apparently, there are still some anti-nazi KKK "left-overs" in the 'Kwa (but: only in the 'Kwa....in all other white nations where the 'Klan' has a presence, there are cordial relations with neo-nazi groups!)....how-ever: these 'throw-backs' are not considered a part of the white racialist movement!

    It kind of boggles the imagination, given that the Holocaust is one of the most documented events of the last 100 years Holocaustthat anyone could be so ignorant to deny it

    yeh.....it's well "documented".....but most of that 'documentation' is un-reliable if not down-right false!....there has never been nor will there ever be any sound, forensic evidence to verify the traditional claims of the Holocaustians because the event, as commonly touted, simply did not occur!.......nor could it have: most of the 'claims' are scientific impossibilities!

    wtf-ever......people are growing increasingly weary of this 60+-yr old event being used to justify the psychopathic gangsterism of the non-entity called "Israel"...it has little or no relevance to the world to-day!

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  37. I have much more respect for those who simply state their racist beliefs than those who attempt to distort history or obfuscate facts just to appear more "mainstream"

    WTF would YOU know abt 'history' or 'facts', u fckn politically correct, post-modernist, judæo-marxist twat?

    "facts" or "truth" for commie kike scum like you is wtf-ever "bolsters the party-line" @ any prtclr juncture in time & space, right?

    when have any of youse mongrels or yr fckn yooish 'handlers' ever engaged a white racist or 'holocaust investigator' in full, fair & open debate?

    hunh?

    you were challenged repeatedly to come on "FTL" & 'have a GO!' @ Alex Linder but....you & yr fckn 'crew' wimped out EVERY SINGLE fckn TIME!

    "Heavy Fed" on the VNN OPP' forum was right about youse mongrels......he said that you & yr nigga 'boss' ....Daryl Lemont Jenkem .... had decided to "embrace violence" rather than dialogue/discussion!

    well....i'v given youse a small 'sampler' of wtf to expect if youse continue on down that road!

    u wanna "taken on" the Big Boys?....u better expect to go the whole fifteen rounds & then some, bitch!

    FCK U!

    *for the record: the reason committed white racists de-bunk 'the Holocaust' is because it has been used as and is used as a pre-text for committing extortion and genocide against white people!*

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  38. I doubt very seriously that this "Jimbo" is a WN or even white. Most white people are not this stupid. I think someone from the other side pretending to be a WN.

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  39. Most white people are not this stupid

    really?

    don't "most white people" believe:

    i/jews are nice;
    ii/niggas are all like Bill Cosby;
    iii/World War Two was a good thing;
    iv/Hitler & the Nazis were bad people;
    v/'the Holocaust' actually happened;
    vi/9/11 was done by cave-dwelling sand niggz;
    vii/'elected politicians' have the best interests of white people @ heart;
    viii/the main-stream media can be trusted?

    howzat for fckn STOOPID?!?

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  40. Agreed, Raoul, that the immense documentation of the Holocaust makes its denial so puzzling. The so-called Joo conspiracy to "manufacture" the Holocaust would have need an army of two thousand forgers working ten years to create the paper trails.

    Of course, it is much easier to hide behind a conspiracy theory that dovetails nicely with your existing hatred of Jews than it is to study actual history.

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  41. I'll play with Jimbo for five minutes on his assumptions about mainstream white America, as I probably belong in that category (though I reserve the right to do a geneological review of my roots and discover some Native American, African American, or Jewish ancestors, should they exist):

    1. Never met any "evil" Jews, and the ones that I have met have been like everyone else I know from other ethnic groups: mostly decent, some annoying, and a few criminals. I did stand up in a Jewish wedding (Reformed) once, so I guess that makes me tainted or something.

    2. Ditto for blacks: mostly decent, some annoying, and a few criminals. Most black folks I know are doing the same thing as me - trying to scrape out a living to feed our families and to save enough to support ourselves when we need to check in to Sunny Acres Retirement Community.

    3. World War II: now we are entering into the realm of counterfactual history, and I do not agree that WWII was "necessary" or "inevitable." Of course, we are trained from birth in the U.S. to sanctify the American presence in this war, so I now run the risk of heresy by questioning whether any war is just. Still, I suppose we had the best justification for our participation in WWII than any other war.

    4. Most Nazis fell under what Christopher Browning described in the 1992 book Ordinary Men: obedient to authority, desirous of providing for their families, and unwilling to start poking around into what was going on in the extermination camps. The systemic use of euphemisms like Sonderbehandlung ("special treatment") for the process of killing Jews and other Holocaust victims helped average Germans get through their participation in rounding up, transporting, and exterminating human beings.

    5. Hitler: rabid anti-Semite, but probably sane, at least until the last few weeks in the bunker. Political genius, military blunderer, inspiring orator, insecure paranoiac... it's hard to sum up this strange ex-painter from Vienna. Personally, I'm what is known in the field of history as a moderate functionalist, or someone who does not believe Hitler had a grand plan dating back to Mein Kampf for extermination. I think the Holocaust evolved over the course of a decade, and that circumstances like the sudden acquisition of Poland forced the Nazis away from schemes like the Madagascar resettlement plan and toward extermination.

    6. I assume that 9/11 was perpetrated by intelligent Muslims, some of whom had college educations, backed by moneyed interests in the region. I assume that the U.S. government is probably telling us a few lies in the official account, like what they knew and when they knew it. I also remain skeptical of the circumstances of the crash of United Airlines Flight 93, as well as the canonization of Todd Beamer (he of "Let's roll!" fame). Who knows - maybe it was shot down; however, I think we have the basic story of 9/11 correct.

    7. Most elected officials have only one core interest at heart: their own re-elections and pocket-lining. However, a few seem to be idealistic enough to put the interests of the middle and poorer classes before their PAC string-pullers. Sorry - I don't look at the world as a black-white place, or a black-white-brown place, but as a "haves-versus-have-nots" place. I think that for most powerful social elites, the only color that matters is green, and the only religion that matters is The Cult of the Invisible Hand and its chief prophet, Adam Smith.

    8. The mainstream media cannot be trusted immediately after an event, because they rely on the government for initial information. I think the truth eventually gets out, and there are certainly enough courageous members of the media who put truth above their own security for us to have some faith in the eventual triumph of truth.

    9. (from an earlier Jimbo argument) Just because some people have used the Holocaust to justify the creation of Israel does not mean the Holocasut was a hoax. Personally, I think the Palestinians got ripped off in 1948, and that there wil continue to be conflict until the world somehow settles the debts owed to the Palestinians. Heck, we would have been better off just inviting the remnants of Europe's Jews to the United States or Great Britain, given what we have been spending to support Israel and fight proxy wars since that time. Or maybe we could have donated New Hampshire or Vermont in our postwar sympathy to the Jews. Anyways, acknowledging the reality of the Holocaust does not necesarily mean that a person is a rabid Zionist, and there are even Jews like Norman Finkelstein who criticize the Holocaust industry - I think we can agree that the Holocaust gets exploited by some people for political and/or financial gain, though one might make the same argument about David Irving, Ernst Zundel, or Willis Carto, for that matter.


    Just one man's thoughts from the middle of the American Rust Belt.

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  42. re: "History Mike".....

    u occasionally strike me as one of the more reasonable "anti-s" on here...but: please refrain from letting that "go to yr head" because, believe me, that's not saying much @ all!.....

    i'm not gunna answer yr points here in detail because yrs truly has got quite a bad habit of deleting stuff she doesn't agree with!

    just three areas of major impact on past & present Western societies:

    i/the true origins & reasons for WWII have mostly been covered up and/or obfusticated....Irving's source material & other stuff from the German side make this clear as does some now-released Kremlin archives!

    ii/Germar Rudolf & the likes of Faurisson have pretty much exposed the accepted account of the Holocaust as wrong from a scientific stand-point, particularly as per the effective lethality of Zyklon B & the supposed mass extermination @ Auschwitz/Birkeanu; so much so that the attention of the Holocaust promoters has now switched to other 'venues' like Treblinka & "mass shootings" on the Eastern Front/'occupied Russia' to account for the discrepancies! (this was one of the main themes of the thread in the VNN OPP' forum that i mentioned previously!);

    iii/the "official account" of 9/11 stretches human credulity to breaking point!....as notable scholars like Dr Stephen Jones of BYU have made clear!....the only logical explanation is that the US government, @ some high level or t'other, was seriously complicit in this atrocity!

    The "9/11 Truth Movement" is now an un-stoppable juggernaut that may well destroy the current political system(s) in the US!

    *feel free to debate these and any other points you raised on the VNN OPP' sub-forum....although i, my-self, have pretty much stopped posting there for now!*

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  43. copy of a 'thread' from "The History News Network" that was deleted by one of the kike editors there!

    original 'thread' has some decent arguments for 'Holocaust Revisionism' especially from a Bradley R Smith....the owner of "One Person With Proof"

    (the original article & the now-censored 'thread' .....perhaps they're 'acquaintances' of MS fck Nutz?!?)

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  44. I've said it once, I'll say it again. Jimbo ain't a real WN, he's an anti trying to make the White man look bad, more than likely he is a retarded gang banger smoking crack while he posts.

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  45. yeh?

    yr doin' a good enough job of making white people like bad on yr 'Pat Malone', champ!

    but.....there's only one way yr gunna know for sure....face-2-face....and: that wouldn't really tell any-one all that much, 'cos there'd only be one survivor from that 'encounter'!

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  46. 9/11's a LIE! vid "pulled" by JewTube after 100k+ hits! ... nice one, kikez! .... perhaps MS numb-NUTZ "emailed" them after she 'deleted' my 'post' here on it!

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  47. wassa matter, bitch?

    nuthin' more to say?

    a fort-night and....(the silence on this 'blog`s frong pg is deafening!)

    run outta steam?

    cat got yr tongue?

    bad case of PMS?!?

    i told you months ago that i'd SHUT u UP!.......looks as if i'm gettin' there, eh?!?

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  48. Oh hummmmm over at Nimbusters we have a twit filter to deal with this guy. If only it worked over here.

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  49. Boo hoo. Let's all cry for the poor pitiful Jews. Who were bent on destroying Nazi Germany. And who today are bent on destroying White Christian culture.

    The six million is a fabrication. There's no proof of it. If Jews are oppressed it's God's will. Because they're evil and disobedient to God.

    They're rarely even actual Israelites. That too is all a lie. But that's the Talmud for you. It's a sick book. That's why Jew's are so depraved.

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