Magistrate Judge Michael Urbanski has ordered William A. White held without bond
FROM MR. SCHWARTZ...
BREAKING, CHICAGO GRAND JURY INDCTS WHITE... Notice the words CHICAGO GRAND JURY, not ROANOKE grand jury. Did they have White fooled or what????
News....
Just hours before neo-Nazi activist William A. White’s preliminary hearing in Roanoke on a charge of encouraging violence against a federal juror, authorities announced today that White has been indicted on the same charge by a federal grand jury in Chicago.
The development clears the way for White to stand trial in Chicago, although he is still scheduled to appear in federal court this afternoon for a bond hearing.
The grand jury indicted White Tuesday on a charge of soliciting injury to the foreman of a jury that convicted a fellow white supremacist, Matthew Hale, of plotting to kill a federal judge in Chicago, authorities announced today.
Last month, White posted the juror’s name, address and telephone numbers to his Web site, overthrow.com.
By calling the man a "Gay, anti-racist" juror who played a key role in Hale’s conviction and making his whereabouts known, federal prosecutors contend, White intended for someone to act on the information by harming or threatening the juror.
White, 31, was arrested Friday. He had been scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing this afternoon in U.S. District Court in Roanoke, where Magistrate Judge Michael Urbanski was to have determined whether there was probable cause to support the charge.
But now that a Chicago grand jury has already made that finding and indicted White, there’s no need for a preliminary hearing.
The indictment outlines a number of other cases in which White has posted personal information about his self-proclaimed enemies and made veiled threats, including a call last year to "Lynch the Jena 6" — a reference to six black teenagers whose arrest on assault charges triggered a major civil rights march in Jena, La.
Even more insteresting Nikki is reading through the Grand Jury indictment, they are nailing White on exactly the same stuff they nailed Matt Hale on.
ReplyDeleteviolation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 373.
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Looks like to me, they've been aware of White for years, just waiting for enough stuff to secure a conviction.
We'll see but even if White gets off, it will still cost him (well his parents) tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and such.
I wonder if Mr. White thinks all of this was worth it, especially since he know has a good chance of not seeing his daughter for many years. He won't be able to play with her, watch her grow up, speak her first words.... Again, was it worth it Bill White????
As Richard Barrett said - he didn't overthrow anything but himself.
ReplyDeleteIsn't Chicago also awful close to where Phil Anderson lives??? How much you wanna bet he testified in front of that grand jury???? Maybe we should call him Tony Evola II ?????
ReplyDeleteThe trial will be most telling! Guess I better start saving for a trip to Chicago!
ReplyDeletePhil Anderson lives in Peoria Heights, IL, which is a village that is on Peoria's northern border.
ReplyDeleteChicago is about a 3 hour drive north.
Still close enough to be subpoenaed to testify in Chicago. Remember Matt Hale was also from Peoria.
ReplyDeleteChicago was also where Hal Turner had his servers physically at when being co-hosted by FDC servers and when he hosted overthrow.com..... Nah, just a coincidence.
And yes, it is possible to be an FBI informant and still get charged with federal crimes.
By the time I get back from my 30 mile bike ride, we'll know about Bill White making bail or not.
Video footage of White being led to hearing.
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It will be interesting to find out how the feds reconcile the two indictments, given that they are related to the same criminal acts.
ReplyDeleteThis may be indicative of a strategy to pile on a ton of charges in the hopes of a plea deal. Given that these are multiple felony charges, the feds appear to be shooting for some significant jail time (i.e., no less than five years at sentencing) plus a hefty fine.
My guess: BW cops a plea after a few weeks and saves everyone some trouble, does 2-to-3 years at a medium-security Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) like at Beckley, WV, and promises to never stir the federal pot with his websites again.
Which, of course, Bill will be unable to do, given his demonstrated obsessiveness with virtual pot-stirring. Then there will be the requisite parole/probation violations when he gets out and starts up Overthrow version 2.2.
Just a shame that such an obviously bright guy wastes his talents on such juvenile and socipathic activities. Makes you wonder what a Bill White have accomplished if he was not so hell-bent on causing trouble.
And, like Nikki, I am saddened about his child suffering as a result of Bill acting like an idiot. The child will pay because of Bill's inability to behave in a responsible fashion, and this is perhaps his worst legacy.
Mr. Schwartz wrote:
ReplyDelete"And yes, it is possible to be an FBI informant and still get charged with federal crimes".
Interesting. Perhaps this is another reason why Hal Turner suddenly made a no-notice trip to Brazil just 18 hours after BW's arrest, and why he subsequently washed his hands of BW in classical Pontius Pilate fashion.
This assumes, of course, that Hal Turner actually went to Brazil. One can never really be sure of Hal Turner.
"Even more insteresting Nikki is reading through the Grand Jury indictment, they are nailing White on exactly the same stuff they nailed Matt Hale on.
ReplyDelete"violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 373."
Ever since the arrest I have been in this deja vu mode - it is so much like the Hale thing all over again.
The child is better off without Bill White. That child was in a horrible environment and Megan and her family maybe can finally act like normal human beings and raise the child in a caring manner without the hatred.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, and correct me if I am wrong, Meghan is just as big a hater as Bill.
ReplyDeleteLooks like they canceled his preliminary hearing, no need for it now with the grand jury indictment. I don't know when or if he gets bail. But if he is going to get the Hale treatment, he'll get no bail and 23 hour solitary confinement. The difference is White will have competent legal representation due to his parents deep pockets.
ReplyDeleteNow on a personal note, I still think Hale got too much prison time for what he did, 40 years seems a bit much.
HistoryMike,
White has quite and ego and and unlimited source from his parents to fight this so I don't know if he pleas or not. But White has plead before, he plead to two counts of assault & battery in Maryland (before the plea, he tried to plead insanity). A few months in solitary might change his mind.
I agree with your opinion what will happen if he does plea, and he'll be gone from the internet and white supremacist for a long time, probably forever as a condition. Even if he does get bail, I'm sure he won't be allowed to do internet or hate related activities.
Anyhow, Bill put himself into this situation.
I also wonder how this is going to affect his bankruptcy hearings...
Nikki,
ReplyDeleteThere's pictures of Megan being at neo-nazis events so it is safe to say she's just as bad as Bill when it comes to that.
He put his own kneck in this noose, and why should anyone feel sorry for him?
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with his child or family because they will recover from this blow quickly--trust me.
BILL BEING TAKEN TO COURT
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't look too swift, huh?
Who can forget the picture of his crew with Meghan in uniform?
ReplyDeleteThis might be the best thing to happen to his child. Let's face it, Bill is psychotic. And that's putting it mildly.
ReplyDeleteMeg is a weak woman and wore the uniform to appease her husband.
ReplyDeletePlease believe me when I tell you she isn't down for the cause.
Are you serious?
ReplyDeleteDetention hearing continues for Roanoke "neo-Nazi" activist
ReplyDeleteBy "Laurence Hammack"
Updated 6:45 p.m.
Roanoke neo-Nazi activist William A. White has taken the stand this evening during a detention hearing that will determine whether he will remain in jail as he awaits trial in Chicago on a federal charge of obstruction of justice.
White was asked by his attorney, Bill Cleaveland, about online postings that had raised concerns with Magistrate Judge Michael Urbanski.
At a hearing on Sunday, Urbanski said he was most concerned about a passage White posted to his Web site, overthrow.com, in May. White wrote that he had developed an intricate plot to murder 15 or 20 people, including some of Roanoke's "Negro nuisances and their annoying counterparts at The Roanoke Times."
White today said that he has no intent to harm anyone and that his writings are basically tabloid news.
“I don’t blame the judge for his concerns,” White said. “I write stuff that’s way out there and extreme.”
When asked about the “intricate plot” mentioned in the May posting, White acknowledged that the passage is “disturbing.”
“It was written to be disturbing. It is not true,” he said. “Like everything I write, I write essentially tabloid news – half true, half sensationalism and exaggeration.”
After he wrote it, he said he realized it was a little more extreme than other things he’d written, and he thought about deleting it. But “it was really well written,” he said, and he decided to keep it.
The hearing is continuing.
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“I don’t blame the judge for his concerns,” White said. “I write stuff that’s way out there and extreme.”
ReplyDeleteWhen asked about the “intricate plot” mentioned in the May posting, White acknowledged that the passage is “disturbing.”
“It was written to be disturbing. It is not true,” he said. “Like everything I write, I write essentially tabloid news – half true, half sensationalism and exaggeration."
“Like everything I write, I write essentially tabloid news – half true, half sensationalism and exaggeration.” - Bill White 10/22/08
ReplyDeleteUpdated 8:40 p.m.
ReplyDeleteMagistrate Judge Michael Urbanski has ordered William A. White held without bond
What a narcissist.... You figure at least he would have tried apologizing in order to convince the judge to allow his parents to post bail.
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"After he wrote it, he said he realized it was a little more extreme than other things he’d written, and he thought about deleting it. But “it was really well written,” he said, and he decided to keep it."
Speaking of Judge Urbanski
ReplyDelete"I'm writing about a ruling today from Magistrate Judge Urbanski ordering you to appear ... And if you need a concise comment, Michael Urbanski is an idiot"
"Michael Urbanski — Corrupt Judge, Fucking Idiot"
- Bill White a few months ago....
Think he is eating those words now???
Oh yeah!
ReplyDeleteYou know, it is one thing to be a self-absorbed racist who writes provocative and inflammatory commentary designed to shock and enrage those with whom you disagree.
ReplyDeleteBut it is entirely something else to go out of your way to make unnecessary enemies and put yourself in the crosshairs of the government. Bill White had nothing to gain from many of the vitriolic attacks he has launched in the ten years, and the list of people he has needlessly angered must be miles long.
It is telling that over half of the posts by racists on the VNN threads dedicated to BW's latest meltdown actively cheer for Bill White's demise. Aside from a handful of ANSWP puppets, even the kindest posts say something half-hearted like: "Yes, Bill White is a backstabbing asshole, but this could happen to any of us."
Racist politics is just the vehicle by which Bill White pursues his true aims: compulsive, endless ego-stroking and an insatiable desire to be the center of attention. Moreover, when he inevitably cannot maintain these impossible goals, Bill White throws tantrums that would be the envy of a three-year-old Rockefeller heir in a time-out chair.
I remember reading the death threat posts Bill wrote back in May, and to my eyes these were not then usual over-the-top BW whoppers. Here was a man in bankruptcy, with marital problems, facing numerous civil and criminal cases, with a collapsing party organization, and who could no longer attract much attention from the media for his outrageous stunts. These posts read like a man on the edge of deep crevice, staring down into the abyss and deciding whether or not he should jump or push in a bunch of innocent people.
I think Bill thought this rhetorical honesty might bring him a shred of credibility among the skeptical WNs, but the posts sounded like the confessions of a psycopath. At no point did I get the sense of irony, satire, or exaggeration: these were admissions of a disturbed mind hell bent on violence.
Kudos Mike - and I agree.
ReplyDeleteIt is telling that over half of the posts by racists on the VNN threads dedicated to BW's latest meltdown actively cheer for Bill White's demise. Aside from a handful of ANSWP puppets"--Historymike
ReplyDeleteHey, Mike, you should check Stormfront. Believe me, we're all pretty happy about this over there, too.
Bill White is definitely not well thought of among the Stormfront crowd.
ReplyDeleteThat line is going to be linked with him for the rest of his life.
ReplyDelete“Like everything I write, I write essentially tabloid news – half true, half sensationalism and exaggeration.” - Bill White 10/22/08
Psychopathology is one of the most studied of anti-social personality disorders. Read the Clinical definition of Psychopath and ask yourself if this doesn't completely fit Bill White:
ReplyDelete"The psychopath is defined by a psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. In other words, individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior as well as lacking a conscience. Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal and quite intelligent. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses. "
The Roanoke City Treasurer got caught giving Bill Whites personal address to Jim Ramm on a phone call that he reported on his answpwatch.blogspot.com.
ReplyDeleteOn that web site there were countless threats of violence and death to Bill. The people there were going to hurt him when he got back. Hopefully they don't do anything to his wife.
Does anyone know what happened to the site? A few days ago all of the posts were deleted and now the entire site is gone. Jim took the link to it off his zogsnightmare as well.
It looks like either this whole story was either a lie from Jim Ramm and the Roanoke City Treasurer didn't give him the address or the FBI got a hold of Jim and made him take it down in an attempt to wipe clean any evidence that Bill could use in his case for a defense.