Wednesday, June 18, 2008


Freedom of Speech is cherished - I understand that. But...has the internet provided a forum for speech that shouldn't be free? Is there a point where government must draw the line?


'Democracy gone wild'
Hate speech infests online versions of local daily newspapers

For the person behind the moniker “Viking Knight,” the Internet is a virtual playground for hate.
“Mexican’ts are a b…stard race and will come to nothing in the end. WHITE POWER FOREVER,” Viking Knight wrote in response to the fatal shooting of a 17-year-old boy. “Somebody saved the LAPD the trouble of icing this ‘vato.’ … He is one less Mexie on the planet, not that it counts for much.”

On the beating of an Orthodox Jew by skinheads in North Hollywood: “We should offer a reward to the guy who off’d this Christ-killer. … Jew$ are a disease.”

On the death of an Armenian girl who was denied a liver transplant by her health insurance company: “God got rid of one the Turks missed. Too bad He doesn’t get rid of all of them.”

A person might expect to find these and other vile comments by Viking Knight — including slurs against gays and Asians — posted on a white supremacist or neo-Nazi Web site.

But the banner on the top of the page belongs to the Daily News of Los Angeles, and in other cases to its MediaNews Group sister paper, the Pasadena Star-News.

Like dozens of other people who post comments through these and other newspaper Web sites, Viking Knight can remain as anonymous as he or she wishes to be. And due to the anonymity and instant access to an audience that poorly monitored newspaper and social networking sites provide, Internet hate speech is a growing national phenomenon.

“It’s democracy gone wild,” said Deborah Lauter, director of the national civil rights division of the Anti-Defamation League. She’s hoping the Daily News and the Star-News will remove racist diatribes from the Web and be more vigilant about hate speech in the future.

“Unfortunately, we believe now that many more papers are offering this kind of [comment] service we are going to see an increase in that kind of hate rhetoric. While it is protected speech, we believe it is incumbent on a newspaper or a social networking site to step up and be a responsible corporation, and be more active in moderating [its Web site] and taking down what is clearly hate speech,” said Lauter. “Once they decide to create that forum, then they have to act responsibly and monitor it.”

The Daily News and Star-News Web sites allow any reader to post his or her views through a service called Topix, which allows discussion forums to be built around news articles and other subjects.
“It is impossible for any paper our size to read all the comments every day, so this is an issue often discussed [among the 57 MediaNews Group daily newspapers, many of which use Topix],” said Ryan Garfat, online editor of the Daily News.

Garfat said the paper typically relies on Web users to flag hate speech and other abusive posts through Topix, which forwards those complaints to editors. He said Tuesday that he plans to remove hate speech identified by this newspaper, but is already dealing with dozens of reader complaints about other posts — some of which aren’t hate speech at all.

Garfat also said that there were no plans to change how the Web site is monitored.

“The unfortunate effects of having an open forum are that these things are going to happen, and we feel they reflect poorly on the identity of the newspaper. But if we take the alternate route of eliminating comments, then I think we are not fulfilling our goal of allowing legitimate discussion within our community and would be disserving our community by doing that.”

The Star-News has had far fewer problems with online hate speech than the Daily News — the source of the three comments quoted above — and removed posts that contained hate speech following conversations with the Pasadena Weekly.

“Our policy for the comments is that we do not moderate or edit the comments before they’re posted online. However, we will remove comments that are deemed to be offensive or inappropriate,” said San Gabriel Valley Newspaper Group Senior Editor Frank Pine, who supervises the Star-News, Whittier Daily News and San Gabriel Valley Tribune.

Pine said he was not aware of Viking Knight’s hateful posts until hearing from this newspaper, and that the only complaints about comments made over the Internet had been from sources in news stories who felt they were being characterized unfairly.

Although Topix terms of service prohibit content that is “hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable,” it also warns that users “may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable.”

Topix is a Palo Alto-based limited liability corporation owned largely by publishing giants the Gannett Co., The McClatchy Co. and the Tribune Co., according to its Web site. The Web site for the Los Angeles Times does not use Topix, and reader comments appear to be monitored to exclude hate speech.

At the Star-News site, Viking Knight makes it clear in one anti-affirmative action rant that he’s no fan of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, and in a separate post appears to advocate that Obama be assassinated.

“Robert Kennedy sold our courageous men in uniform out when he became a peacenik. He sold White people out when he started kissing up to the likes of Chavez, Dr. King, the mestizo farmworkers, etc. Sirhan may not be a prize, but he was just what America needed, just when we needed him,” wrote Viking Knight in response to a column by Star-News Public Editor Larry Wilson about Kennedy’s Pasadena-bred assassin. “As we approach the November elections, we could use a man like Sirhan again.”

“That post is clearly over the line,” Pine said Monday. On Tuesday it had been removed from the site, along with other posts disparaging Latino youth.

“As shocking as these kinds of things are, they are increasingly common on perfectly mainstream Web sites. Usually the paper will step in and scrub their sites of this kind of material, because if they didn’t they would become absolute nesting grounds for white supremacists. These guys are looking for a place to safely transmit their ideology and bring more people into the movement,” said Mark Potok, editor of Intelligence Report, a magazine that monitors hate groups and is produced by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Potok said that he’s been forced to keep a close eye on his magazine’s blog ( to prevent hateful comments from being posted. People have even tried to post racially motivated threats to assassinate Obama, which he has reported to the Department of Homeland Security.
In the United States, constitutional free speech protections typically prevent legal action on hate speech unless someone is threatening or urging others to physically harm a person or racial group, said Potok, who recently testified before the Helsinki Commission (also known as the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe) about threats posed by Internet hate speech.

Potok was testifying not only as an expert, but also as a victim: A neo-Nazi group once identified him on a Web site as an enemy of their cause and posted his home address. But because the group did not specifically order its readers to do Potok harm, they didn’t break the law.

In Europe and most other Western nations, hate speech — in Germany, denying or trivializing the Holocaust — can be prosecuted as a crime. As a result, said Potok, the majority of foreign-language white supremacist Web sites are hosted through computer servers in the United States.

Viking Knight also took aim through the Star-News at the social services organization El Centro de Acción Social, which he or she wrote on May 31 “is nothing but a Reconquista terrorist organization dedicated to the destruction of America.”

The next day, in response to another reader’s concern about the achievement levels of some students receiving scholarships from the organization, Viking Knight wrote: “They’re Mexican’ts, What did you expect? Their grades suck because in most high schools, you can’t major in Lowriding 101.”

El Centro Executive Director Randy Jurado Ertll said he thinks the Star-News should prevent racist comments like these — which were pulled from the site after Pine spoke with the Weekly — from reaching readers.

“Responsibility comes with freedom of expression,” said Ertll. “I was just disgusted by this. We need to be vigilant of people who use hate language. Just as we denounce hate crimes, we have to denounce hate language. Words impact people’s actions and influence others to promote more hate.”

But it doesn’t end there. One conversation chain from the Daily News involving Viking Knight and others was so rife with prejudice against a Latino teen shot to death at a party — “like all the rest of the scum too hell he went too face satan,” wrote catwomomen4u69 — that someone claiming to be the victim’s ex-girlfriend was actually pleading with people to stop.

“Certainly we could do a better job of moderating comments,” said Garfat, who acknowledged that recent staffing cuts have affected the paper’s ability to monitor the Web site. “But, I still maintain the need to allow people to have conversations supersedes the vile comments that sometimes permeate our boards. We work with what we’ve got.”

In another conversation that devolved into slurs against “Mexicans and blacks,” someone wrote: “It’s time for a good old fashion clan meeting … come on my arean [sic] brothers … lets get out our rebel flags and let the lynching begin.”

Such vitriol targeting Latinos in general or people perceived to be illegal aliens is, sadly, “very much par for the course,” in terms of hate speech to be found on mainstream Web sites, said Potok.

“We’re in a whole new age,” said the ADL’s Lauter. “The anonymity of the Internet provides a forum so the people who wouldn’t have the proclivity to say it in public can hide behind screens. We used to say the Klan hid behind their white hoods; these [people] hide behind their screens.”

And in many ways, newspapers are behind the times in figuring out how to respond.

“There’s a larger issue in this story,” said Pine, “that is, to what degree should newspaper Web sites allow people to comment anonymously. It’s something that warrants further scrutiny. Certainly it’s a conversation we’ve been having in the newsroom and will continue to have.”

Pine and Garfat said they are reluctant to restrict comments until they are screened or increase registration requirements, as that would hinder access to the service. “We want to facilitate the free exchange of ideas and have people feeling comfortable speaking their minds, but on the other hand you don’t want people to hide behind anonymity and use it to promote hatred and say things that have no place in civilized public discourse,” he said.

That such vicious comments sat for more than a week on the Web sites of local daily newspapers angers Nat Nehdar, a friend of the Pasadena Human Relations Commission and its former chair, who dedicates much of his time to activities combating prejudice, hate and violence.

“I feel strongly that newspapers should more carefully monitor their Web sites and eliminate such trash, which in some ways can reflect on the newspaper itself. If you allow it you are not condemning it, so it seems like you are condoning this type of hate speech,” he said.


  1. Thank god that we are not ruled by knee jerk nigger loving liberals who only believe in free speech when it agrees with their own sad point of view.

  2. Does anyone still have a PACER account so we can read Bill White's bankruptcy filings in US Court?

  3. Source (anonymoused)

    Looks like Bill White's been caught lying to the Roanoke Times about his bankruptcy. He's really flipping out over the fact that they found out about his bankruptcy, then got a copy of it from the courthouse, then questioned him on it, without telling him what they knew until White started lying to them.

    White lied to them and claimed at first it was all medical bills that was forcing his bankruptcy. Then they pointed out he didn't list a single medical bill on his bankruptcy filing and then White did the cockroach dance. However, Bill does have a judgment against him from a Roanoke hospital for unpaid medical bills so it's odd he would exclude that.

    I guess me and Unit 9 are going to argue about rather to get a Pacer account or not.

    Where is Tony Willow when we need her?? lol!!!

    Heck, I'll just quote from his website in case he deletes it out.

    Some people may take my tone here to be a bit too flippant or insufficiently grave for the topic, but given that I spent four months of this year morose and nihilistic, even for me, I think I can afford a bit of levity.

    I know that the Roanoke Times is going to run an article and that curiousity seekers will come here. For those unaware of the details, my wife developed severe eclampsia and HELPP syndrome during her pregnancy and collapsed after a week of hospitalization with something like a seizure and the beginnings of liver failure. Our daughter was born several hours afterwards at 29 weeks and 2 pounds 9 ounces. There was a point of several days where it was unclear if either of them was going to survive. It was terrible and it took me several months to recover from it, emotionally, and I am still recovering, as one can read, financially — not just from the costs of medical care per se, but from the inability to deal with the other serious problem which emerged in January, which was a major default by a contractor on a job for which they had received a good deal of money up front.

    For those who might be worried, both my wife and daughter have fully recovered their health without long term side effects. And, since I received a bombard of phone calls and emails this evening about this after I made my early post, please do not send me money. First, I am not destitute — I do have a healthy $14K - $22K a month in income that I can finally start spending on my company and my family again and I am well off with assets. I do not want your last dollar — you should keep it for yourself. I appreciate all the gifts I receive from readers of this website — I often haul them out by the box load from the post office, particularly around holidays, and I love everyone who sends things — and I particularly appreciate the clothing, diapers, wipes, formula, and coupons for the same that have been coming in steadily since my daughter’s birth. But, if you want to send money, send it to the ANSWP, LLC at PO Box 8601 Roanoke, VA 24014, because the ANSWP is the organization that needs to rebuild its coffers; because of the bankruptcy, sending it to me in person is not useful.

    But, back to my wife and daughter, this would generally be nobody’s business, but the Roanoke Times takes a tabloid interest in me, and made sure to go out and get my enemy’s best efforts at gloating quotes before they called me for an interview, and so, while I don’t generally speak to the Roanoke Times, I did give them an interview today for this cynical reason:

    There is a law in journalism, and it states that, in a story about sick babies, the sick babies are always the “good guys”. You see, all tabloid journalism is “good guy” and “bad guy”. In Jewish papers, “white supremacists” are always “bad guys” and anyone who is trying to murder, rape, rob, torture or mutilate them, no matter how depraved, is the “good guy”, a rule the Roanoke Times has applied over the years to make crack dealers, prostitutes, alcholic ex-girlfriends and all sorts of characters “good guys” when they’ve become involved in stories about me. While this hasn’t really worked well for them, outside their own psychic gratification, in this case, the situation is even worse.

    There is a rule of literature as well, which is that the “bad guy”, no matter how nasty and evil and selfish and greedy and cruel and hateful and whatever he is, when he gives up everything he owns to save the life of a sick baby, is suddenly redeemed and has all his bad guy-ness forgiven. Charles Dickens made a whole story around it, and we watch it every year in December in a thousand different versions when we hear about Ebeneezer Scrooge. Not that I’m Ebeneezer Scrooge, but he is the case that sorta set the rule.

    And I should emphasize that I am in no way either “the bad guy” or in need of “redemption”. I’m not and have never been a “bad guy” and if I thought I needed redemption, I’d go convert to Christ and pray with the old ladies. I think, and hope, that the willingness to sacrifice worldly possessions for good deeds would be something that characterizes me. I live, and have lived for many years, with complete disdain for all worldly things — just as I don’t care what anyone thinks of me, in a very literal sense, and I act without any concern for public feeling, I also care little for personal wealth, material pleasures and pains, and all the other things in the world that distract one from the good. I have believed since my first exposure to the works of Marcus Aurelius that the only value in life is to pursue what is right at all times and to speak what is true, without concern for the feelings and sensibilities of others, or the material reward or punishment it might bring. To those who oppose me — whose worldview and philosophy is wicked and divorced from truth and goodness — that comes across as what the Southern Poverty Law Center thinks of as “misanthropy” — after all, to a Jewish demon, whose life’s only purpose is to torture gentiles, the debased and humiliated condition of the typical SPLC homosexual is the proper condition of “man”. To my enemies, my absolute disregard for their opinion of me or their “pain” or “pleasure” is frightening and relentlessly anti-them. But the average person is certainly not my enemy, and I don’t go around worrying about the petty failures of man — those errors that occur without willful evil that a Christian would call “sin” and demand be “redeemed” and which I see as just the morally neutral failings of the human animal. I try to treat everyone fairly and everyone I deal with in my personal life with the kind of generosity and “humanity” that is their due, and sacrificing material comfort for the help of a deserving other is no different than me than sacrificing material comfort to speak an unpleasant truth.

    But I digress.

    Back to the simple rules of the world, there is a rule of literature that when the bad guy, no matter how evil, gives up something he values to help a sick baby, he is redeemed. This fact puts the Roanoke Times in a quandry, and one I think they recognized well: if they run the article saying I bankrupted myself because I gave up my money for my mortally-ill wife and daughter, I can’t be the bad guy. Even if they make me a “bad guy” and run an article “Nazi Bankrupt Ha Ha Ha”, as soon as they mention my wife and daughter’s illness they lose and even half the Negroes in the city sit down and say “he may be a white supremacist and all but, you know, that shit about his baby is fucked up. I know Shaniqua and she had a baby that was, like, early, you know, and Carillion is still trying to collect those bills from her. I mean he may be racist and all, but that shit is like fucked up,” and then there’s the fact that the little deluded church ladies that make up the bulk of the “respectable” and “Christian” left spend half their time knitting blankets for premature babies and preaching about how people have to do, well, exactly what I did, and give up their worldly possessions for the good of God’s most precious, and so on, and everyone knows they really wouldn’t tolerate an article mocking a sick baby, and, well you get the idea … the Roanoke Times might do it, but its a no-win situation for them.

    So you see, the Roanoke Times, packed as it is with devil worshippers, abortionists, Jews and people who’d bayonet babies as soon as look a them, just can’t do what they want to do and say they wished me and my entire family dead, even though I know anyone one of them would murder me and my family as soon as look at me if given the chance — and I have spent years treating them just as someone who knows such a thing would be expected to. Laurence Hammack’s wife may use drugs and worship the devil, and he may do both with her, but he can’t come out and say it in a paper like the Roanoke Times … and he and his editors know it.

    Now, the Southern Poverty Law Center may yet run that article, because the homosexuals there, who, by definition, are unable to have children, and are largely unable to relate, on a human and emotional level, with most of the normal people in society, and may not understand how a normal person sees such a thing. Several small anti-racist websites will run that article, because they run articles celebrating the deaths of all kinds of innocent people, and also can’t understand how that reflects on them in the wider world of people they have to deal with. But the Roanoke Times can’t, and, I think, they have enough people there with enough lightbulbs flickering in their heads to realize it. If they don’t, well, that’s like my bet that the Department of Justice’s computer experts could read zip files with their forensic software and realize that I didn’t contemptuously destroy 28,000 documents before responding to their subpoena — it made sense, it was wrong, and the result was great harm to my enemies.

    So what will happen? My guess is that the Roanoke Times is going to do what it wants to do, regardless of the truth, and try to blame the bankruptcy on something else. Anything else, and they can laugh at me. But the problem is that all the information is out there — we have to give the trustee’s office everything, from appraisals to bank statements and financial reports, and its not like its worth getting caught lying in something like that — and they just can’t get away with it — just like they couldn’t get away with the ridiculous story they repeatedly printed about me attacking the nigger crack dealers on Chapman last year. The television, much more influential than the newspaper, and the television’s free newspaper “Crimewatch”, all ran articles and footage that made the Roanoke Times look ridiculous, and the Roanoke Times suffered for it.

    I can’t say I await the article that appears tomorrow. I probably won’t read it, though, just as probably, someone will show it to me and force me to read it before the day is out. But it will be interesting to see what they end up saying. I really can’t call this one — they’ll either print a neutral article without commentary, which would be their best move — or they’ll slander me, which they can only get away with if they don’t mention my wife and daughter’s illness at all — something I don’t think they will do, if only becaue the TV will print that story on the evening news right after the first hearing, and they are under too much competition from the many stupid little newspapers that are biting at them to do something that alienates a good portion of their readership.

    So that is my cynical analysis of the Roanoke Times quandary. They have misjudged themselves a lot in the few years I’ve seen them operate, and they will probably misjudge themselves again. However, I think they’ve started getting a bit more sense lately, and there is a strong argument to believe they will do the sensible thing and not pile on. After all, I may be in bankruptcy but I am not destitute or broke, and it probably won’t take me three or four months to recover, rebuild a few hundred thousand dollars in cash reserves, and place everything back on track.

    These people spent years wishing they could bankrupt me, got what they wanted by a twist of fate, and, are likely to discover that when all of your wishes have been granted … well, what you end up with isn’t always what you thought you wanted get. (Or as Marilyn Manson puts it at the end of this unembeddable video:

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    June 19th, 2008

    I received a call from the newspaper today, and the Southern Poverty Law Center has issued one of the most nonsensical and absurd statements those out of touch queers have ever made, so I might as well make a note on this. This is not a surprise to any ANSWP members, who were told of this possibility months ago, but will probably surprise many.

    Last week I filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Chapter 11 is a very expensive form of debt reorganization that allows me to keep and operate all of my assets while putting together a plan to repay all of my creditors. It does not put me out of business. Further, White Homes and Land, LLC, is not, at this time, a part of the bankruptcy proceeding, nor is any company I own or any other entity or person I deal with. In the bankruptcy estate, which includes only assets in my personal name and none of the assets of my businesses, I think we said $1.9 -$2.0 million in assets are held against $1.3 or $1.4 million in liabilities.

    The reason for this is my wife and daughter’s illness earlier this year. The medical bills for my daughter’s hospitalization exceeded $130,000; my wife I think incurred another $35,000 or so; and at the same time I got ripped off on a construction contract and lost or was defrauded out of about $60,000 — that issue is still in court. When miscellaneous expenses are considered, I took almost a quarter million dollar cash hit between January 10 and January 24 of this year, and it wiped out all of my cash on hand.

    We had hoped to reorganize the debt outside of bankruptcy, but one of our creditors in particular, Option One Mortgage Company, which is itself going out of business July 1, and one other creditor, Chase Home Finance, refused to negotiate terms to resume payments on their mortgage notes, and this forced the entire estate into reorganization.

    Of course, my enemies are trying to make a big deal out of this, blaming myself, my tenants, the housing market, and all sorts of other factors, trying to make it appear that there was something fundamentally wrong with the business. White Homes and Land, LLC, has grossed about $550,000 per year for the past four years and continues to function profitably. I just didn’t have the quarter million dollars I needed on hand to pay all the extraordinary bills and maintain our debt service.

    The Roanoke Times has objected that I didn’t list any medical bills in the bankruptcy and they are correct — the medical bills were in my wife’s name and do not form part of the bankruptcy estate. They have also been paid in full. The problem with the contractor involves White Homes and Land, has been in litigation for a while, and is also not part of the bankruptcy estate.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center has muttered something about “maxing out all my credit cards to finance the company” which is simply an incorrect statement. All the money that was borrowed to start up the company was paid in full in 2006, and I think we declared something like $50,000 or $60,000 in credit card debt, about a third of which I merely guarentee for other companies, and almost all of it incurred in the past six months. Most of our construction and growth has been financed by a real estate syndication company based in Washington, DC, some of our debts to which are declared in the bankruptcy papers.

    The Roanoke Times also asked if the $35,000 in judgments I have against assorted tenants played a role in this. It did not. All of the judgments declared are from the period 2004 - June 2007, when we began taking judgments in the LLC’s name, and reflect a vacancy and eviction loss of about $1000 per month against $18,000 - $19,000 average in rent collected.

    Because of the collapse of the housing market, I will likely only walk away, once our current construction projects and the rental portion, which I have been seeking to dispose of for a while, are wrapped up, with between $500,000 and $1,000,000, instead of the $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 that my equity could be valued at just a year ago.

    Part of that is that we have declared current liquidation value of many of the assets, which include three construction projects that are unfinished, which require about $65,000 - $100,000 to complete (some of them need to be reestimated), and which will add $250,000 - $300,000 to the estate. In bankruptcy, I can raise some of this money as a super lien, which is another benefit of the Chapter 11 protection.

    Another part, which may add substantially to the estate, is that the bankruptcy of several of our creditors and terms we are reaching with others may lead to the negation of $300,000 - $550,000 of my personal debt, which would let me walk away with another good chunck of cash. At least three of our creditors have between some and serious problems with their debt instruments, deeds of trust, or their companies that may cause them to not collect or be able to collect on what they would otherwise be due.

    So that is going on. Is not a bad thing; in fact, its a very good thing that I hope to come out of very well. The cause of the problem is mundane — my wife and daughter grew very ill very suddenly and their care demanded a large sum of money which I could only raise in full by taking a payment or two away from my creditors — but, of course, my enemies intend to make a lot out of this to aggrandize themselves and make it seem as if things happened that, frankly, didn’t, and that problems with the business exist that, just as frankly, just aren’t there

  4. I should say it takes the lowest form of scum to hide behind a newborn baby (if he does have one or have custody of one, Bill would easily lie about that also). Bill's trying to gain sympathy by using a newborn child.

    Truely, the lowest form of life... Even Blevins might agree with this.

  5. The whole time I was reading this article I was shaking my head as the narcissistic nature of Bill demonstrated that he would use ANYTHING including his own child to get the attention and acceptance that he craves.

    This illness has devoured Bill White.

  6. Just think of how much money Bill White has lost because of his internet postings and his mental illness.

    Bill flat out lied in his bankruptcy filings, one of them is claiming how much his properties are worth. Nothing illegal about over-estimating them... only if you intentionally under-estimate them.

    Bill also lied about paying medical bills, Meghan is on Medicaid. (claims she's separated from Bill)

    Even if you go by his over-inflated house values on his bankruptcy filing, he's far from being a millionaire.

    Going by Roanoke GIS, his properties are only worth around $700,000... far below what he owes on them. Far below what he is asking for them. A lot of them are in disrepair and/or empty lots.

    But think of this, Bill currently has around 10 rentals available for rent (out of 18 total) and if with a debt of 1.4 million, he's got to probably pay at least $14,000 a month just to make the mortgage payments. Even if he rents out every single apartment he has available, he'll still not be able to even make those payments.

    Bill has no cash on hand, no other assets except for houses he is overpricing for sale.

    This bankruptcy filing will only delay Bill from losing everything.

    My suggestion to Bill. Running your mouth has cost you a lot of money. Please continue with the ANSWP nonsense and keep posting on the web... It will only make you poorer. I don't know if your parents are going to bail you out for the 3rd time, the last time, it was a $250,000 from his Dad and the source of Bill's original money was from his Grandparent's Baltz from Pennsylvania who were millionaires. Bill got $333k upon his 21st birthday, just like his brothers Andrew (normal) and James got when they turned 21.

    Bill has basically blown through over a half million in cash with his behavior.

    Gee, how did I know this?

  7. Those who don't want to hear all sides of a situation can move to Canada. Because Canada sucks. They got no free speech. The Holocaust is the state religion. It sucks.

    So all you pussies get the hell out of the United States. Where we're free to hate whatever and whomever we want.


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