Saturday, April 03, 2010


Seven years ago I wrote a series of articles dealing with the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building, Timothy McVeigh, and others who figured into the equation. As we approach the 15th anniversary of that event, I feel compelled to revisit some of those writings. I am reposting this article on McVeigh and I am wondering if anyone can connect some of the dots to what is taking place in our country today.

My grandmother was fond of the old adage "When children are little they step on your toes, when they are grown they step on your heart." Imagine raising a child from birth, kissing all the scrapes and cuts, nursing all the coughs and ear-aches and imparting all of the values and morals that you believe to be true, then having to watch as that person is executed for the deaths of 168 people. Imagine that everytime that child's name is spoken it is followed by words like "monster" or "murderer." Imagine that while others are showing off baby pictures to their grand kids, the baby pictures of your child are being sought after by CNN and Hard-Copy. Imagine that every time you think of that freckled little nose, those inquisitive eyes and those tiny hands that thought is accompanied by the knowledge that the child, once so dear and special to you, grew up to commit the most heinous act of domestic terrorism on American soil. Imagine...the anguish of the parents of Timothy McVeigh.

Timothy James McVeigh was born on April 23, 1968 in Pendleton, New York, near Buffalo. He grew up a small, thin boy who was not very well coordinated. He had lots of heart by all accounts, always coming out to play with others in games that required agility and speed. Often he was teased and taunted because of his lack of athletic prowess, and by all accounts he took the teasing well...and always showed right back up to try again. It always appeared to others that Timothy existed on the fringe of everything. His classmates and teachers characterize him as "shy and never having a date." As a matter of fact, lack of female interest (with one or two exceptions) is chronicled throughout his short life. McVeigh has been called an "underachiever" in school - but very bright. When Tim was 10 years old his mother and father separated and he and his sisters grew up with his father. But, it was Tim's grandfather who would have the most profound influence on him - he introduced him to the love of his life, guns.

Timothy McVeigh achieved the rank of Sergeant in the United States Army. During his time in the service he was awarded the Combat Infantry Badge and the Bronze Star. He fit into the regimen and discipline of the Army quite well, and in some respects was the model soldier. In a story published in the Washington Post, Staff writer Dale Russakoff, had the following to say:

"For the most part, any aberrations in Tim McVeigh's life were hidden under an exterior so bland as to be nondescript. Many acquaintances had to struggle to think of something -- anything -- to relate about him. His interest in firearms was known only to friends who also liked them; a good friend from the track team never even knew McVeigh owned a BB gun. In retrospect, merely appearing regular seems to have been a lifelong pursuit. Even today, as the case against him grows ever tighter, a person who has seen and talked to McVeigh in prison near Oklahoma City saw in him a normalcy that rendered him "the scariest man in the world." "There's nothing alarming about him -- nothing," this person said. "He's respectful of his elders, he's polite. When he expresses political views, for most of what he says, Rush Limbaugh is scarier. That's what's incredibly frightening. If he is what he appears to be, there must be other people out there like him. You look at him and you think: This isn't the end of something; this is the beginning of something."

The "blandness" that surrounded Timothy McVeigh was certainly what many people remember. But, in hindsight, after the act, people began to remember other things. Pendleton, New York was predominantly white. When things at his father's plant started going amiss and jobs across the country were being threatened the talk around the dinner tables and in the diners turned to Affirmative Action and, of course, race. McVeigh, after graduating high school took a job driving an armored truck. He was bored with the job and told one employee that the two things that he loved were wearing a uniform and carrying a gun. The same co-worker who asked not to be named in the Washington Post article, told of a time when McVeigh came to work wearing bandoliers laden with deer slugs "looking like Pancho Villa." Virtually all who knew Tim well recalled his obsession with guns and his penchant for stockpiling weapons and supplies in the event that there was a problem with the government.

It was in the Army, however, that Tim's really obsessive behaviors drew attention. His Army roommate, Dave Dilly, recalls:

"Always eager to please, he carefully starched the pleats into his uniform, spit-polished his shoes, won days off for immaculate appearance. He was always early, always up for guard duty no one else wanted. Any test, he'd ace it. He got the top score on everything. He knew he was exactly what the Army wanted. It was going to be an easy life for him."

It was in the Army that McVeigh met Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier both of who played a major role in the future escapades of Timothy McVeigh. It was also in the Army that Timothy McVeigh became acquainted with, and ultimately obsessed with, William Pierce's Turner Diaries." We would all too soon find out just what a lethal mixture McVeigh's obsessions and friends were. Seemingly, the only problem that plagued McVeigh in his Army years was race. And then that really didn't give him the trouble that it should have. One soldier who served with Mcveigh claimed that he was criticized for "assigning undesirable work to black specialists" and others claimed that he made derogatory statements towards blacks. But, considering the Army and knowing how it values dedicated soldiers, it is little surprise that McVeigh's racism was generally brushed aside. Throughout his time in the Army, Mcveigh continued to stockpile arms and supplies with a compulsion that garnered the attention of several of his Army buddies. Nonetheless, Timothy loved the Army. He loved it so much that he tried out for the Green Berets but couldn't meet the physical challenge. Soon after he chose civilian life.

McVeigh had long harbored anti-government sentiments thus it is not surprising that he would gravitate towards right-wing militia groups and extremists. Discouraged and disgruntled over his inability to make the grade for the Green Berets and believing that the U.S. government was oppressive and on the wrong track, McVeigh traveled around the country setting up shop and selling military type paraphernalia at various gun shows. The underground novel, The Turner Diaries, was generally hawked by him as well. Many accounts of McVeigh's travels neglect to explore the importance of this time in Tim's life. Generally, they tend to focus on McVeigh's visits to Fortier and Nichols with little mention, if any, of the others who he met while on the gun-show circuit and the role they played in McVeigh's act of terror. It wasn't until recently that many of the pieces of the puzzle surrounding McVeigh's motivation and extremist leanings came to light. And it wasn't until recently that the federal law-enforcement agencies' prior knowledge of his associations was substantiated. Thus, any true understanding of the events surrounding the final act has been greatly hindered.

The anti-government philosophy was already deeply embedded in McVeigh's psyche. And as he traversed through 40 states, he had that philosophy reinforced time and again. At one point, McVeigh joined the Ku Klux Klan and even engaged in distributing some hate literature for them. But, there were other factors which contributed even more greatly to the mindset of McVeigh and his belief that there had to be an army of civilian patriots who would be willing to rise up and stand against the government. William Cooper was an "apocalyptic, militia-inspired" talk show radio host whose short-wave radio broadcasts out of his home atop a mesa in Arizona caught McVeigh's attention according to Mark Shaffer of the Arizona Republic. McVeigh became a dedicated listener to Cooper's radio messages. According to the Republic report, McVeigh had sought out William Cooper and paid him a visit a couple of months before the bombing. Nolan Udall, a friend of Cooper's, claims that Tim wanted Coopers help but wouldn't tell him what for. According to Udall, "Finally, Bill just got frustrated with him and told him to leave him alone." Cooper was killed in a shootout with law-enforcement officials in November, 2001. Michele Marie Moore, author of "Oklahoma: Day One," and member of Cooper's group, however, gives new insight into the messages that Cooper sent and his involvement in a militia arm called the Second Continental Army of the Republic.

According to Moore, who was close to Cooper, the Second Continental Army of the Republic was one of two organizations which Cooper was involved with:

"There were two completely different organizations about which he wrote, taught, and spoke. One was the Second Continental Army of the Republic, which was/is a militia arm... very secretive, very underground, very well connected, very well insulated, very well trained, very professional.

About this organization you will never uncover anything. They know who they are, and they're not playing games. This organization has maintained its anonymity for almost ten years, and that is as it should be. To be truly effective in this role, you must be almost invisible. The SCAR has achieved this and I am sure they will maintain it. No one who is a part of that particular militia will EVER publicly admit a militia rank. It's just nobody's business, and such public disclosures would do nothing but negate the effectiveness of the group."

Sounding a lot like "The Order," an underground group depicted in the "Turner Diaries, this group is supposedly one of two. Moore describes the second group, in "The Konformist" thusly:

"The other organization associated with Bill is the Intelligence Service (originally known as CAJI, Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence), which was the intel-gathering arm of the SCAR. This was purely info-centered... not a militia organization. There was no war-game training, no survival exercises in the woods. The training was specifically geared to gathering information, acquiring it, understanding it, finding its perspective in relation to other information known, determining the accuracy or bias of the information, determining the dependability of sources, putting it all together and documenting trends and activities. The training for those who worked at it was intensive and comprehensive.

Anyone could apply for membership in the Intelligence Service, but not all who applied were accepted. When applying, you had to present credentials of either experience or education, and a thorough background check was performed on all applicants before they were accepted into service. You were assigned a beginning rank based on your background, accomplishments and capabilities, and, depending on the quality of your performance, you might achieve promotion. I joined this organization in late 1994. Before resigning my commission from the Intelligence Service in April of 1997, I earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, and coordinated the work of members in four states.

Issues concerning the existence or purpose of the Intelligence Service were never secret -- although some of the information gathered was. Bill talked openly about the Intelligence Service, and asked publicly for participants who could be disciplined thinkers, willing to learn, willing to work, willing to serve. It offered a way for anyone who was accepted to participate, regardless of their age or physical condition. It was a job we all took very seriously, and those who worked received superb leadership training as well."

Whether McVeigh was ever involved with either of these is not known and pretty unlikely. Certainly, however, given his obsession with the "Turner Diaries," Tim would be fascinated with the secrecy and inner-workings of such groups. Cooper spoke of the need for underground resistance units and the need for individuals to maintain a low profile. According to Moore:

"He wanted small, organized, invisible pockets of support to form in every community, waiting and preparing for the time when their service would be vital to the existence of our nation."

All of this played like a concerto to McVeigh - a civilian army, armed and prepared and ready to rise up against the governmental forces of evil.

It is important to note that during the time that McVeigh was tuning into Cooper's radio broadcast, there was a groundswell in the Patriot Movement. Militia's were quite active during this period and while not all members or all militia movements were characterized by racist ideology, many of the white hate groups found commonality with the militias and their anti-government stance. It was not unusual to find militia members in attendance at extremist gatherings or neo-Nazi's attending militia meetings. The paranoia that was omnipresent in militia-minded individuals was frequently shared by the racist right - and still is today.

Timothy McVeigh was ready for the broadcasts of William Cooper. Timothy McVeigh was being schooled by some of the best. As he traveled and set up shop with various gun-shows across the United States, Timothy McVeigh placed himself in a position to be inundated with like-minded people. And as he sold his knives and fatigues and the "Turner Diaries" (sometimes he sold the book for less than he paid for it just to get the message out there), he met a bevy of people with whom he could network.

"Gun shows have become town-hall meetings for racists and antigovernment radicals," said Gerald Post, director of the political psychology program at George Washington University." Prosecutors of McVeigh have claimed that McVeigh used the gun shows to "fence stolen weapons, make contacts to buy bomb materials and hone his terrorist skills." That most gun-shows attract their share of anti-government and extremist individuals is without argument. In a speech at the University of California-Riverside, Noel Ignatiev, of the Violence Policy Center, said that "gun shows have become Tupperware parties for criminals." Citing a seventy-two page study conducted by the Center, it was stated that "gun shows have become town squares where militia members and the extremist fringe recruit new members and they have become a primary source for stolen military parts."

Timothy McVeigh found his niche - and he made new friends - lots of them. Immersed in conspiracy theory about the government, McVeigh bemoaned the current state of affairs to the newspaper writing: "Is a civil war imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that, but it might." He also corresponded with his sister, Jennifer. In his letters he explained that the government planned to disarm gun owners and lock them up in concentration-like camps - much as depicted in the "Turner Diaries." But, on April 19, 1993, the straw that finally broke the back of Timothy McVeigh was lain squarely and irrevocably.

On February 28th, the government began a siege on Mount Carmel, the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas. Concerned that the law-enforcement entities might be starting to abridge the gun-ownership rights of individuals, McVeigh made his way to Waco to see for himself and to lend support. On the way Tim stocked up on items he could sell or hand-out. When he attempted to approach the compound, ATF agents blocked his way and turned him around. McVeigh found a place to park his vehicle and set up shop nearby. Michelle Rauch, a young student reporter was covering the siege and managed to get a few words out of McVeigh:

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control."

Among the pamphlets and literature being proffered by McVeigh were such titles as, "Politicians Love Gun Control," "Fear the Government That Fears Your Gun," "A Man With A Gun is a Citizen, A Man Without a Gun is a Subject." Of course, government agents were keeping a close eye on those around the Waco compound, and it was here that McVeigh came under scrutiny. He hung around for a few days then headed west to visit his Army buddy, Michael Fortier and his wife Lori in Kingmon, Arizona.

Fortier and McVeigh shared a great deal of sentiments about the government. They were, indeed, kindred spirits in their ideology. But, Michael was into drugs and McVeigh was not. While they shared ideas and thoughts, Fortier's mind would become clouded by narcotics and Timothy McVeigh became bored and irritated with the drug-induced state that Fortier lived in. Over the next couple of years, however, McVeigh would visit Fortier many times. It was, however, another Army buddy who fell completely into line with Tim's disdain for the government - Terry Nichols.

Tim left the Fortier trailer and headed for Tulsa, Oklahoma and the Wanenmacher's World's Largest Gun and Knife Show. It was in Tulsa that McVeigh was to meet several very important people. It was in Tulsa that the determiners of the fate of the Alfred P. Murrah Building and all of its occupants became acquainted.

Among those people who befriended McVeigh was a man by the name of Roger Moore, a gun dealer from Royal, Arkansas. Moore shared his home with Karen Anderson. Both Moore and Anderson worked together in a mail order ammunition business. Moore who used the name "Bob Miller" at gun shows extended an invitation to McVeigh to visit him at his home. McVeigh was very comfortable in Moore's home environment as he was surrounded by guns, ammunition and explosive devices. He took quick note at the lack of security surrounding all of Moore's valuable weaponry. And, Moore would soon be the target of a robbery.

Terry Nichols was living on the illegal edge. Disdainful of government and the laws of the land, he had adopted the militia-mindset of a group known as the "Freemen." For a time, Terry and his brother James resided on a farm in Decker, Michigan. In 1992, Nichols had amassed thousands of dollars in credit card debts. When his financial situation became a matter for the court, Nichols claimed that the judge had no jurisdiction over him. In an ABC News Special Report by Buck Wolf, Nichols is said to have sent letters to former President Bill Clinton, Senator Bob Dole and former Attorney General Janet Reno disavowing his citizenship along with his responsibility to pay taxes:

"I lawfully, squarely challenge the fraudulent usurping octopus of jurisdiction/authority that does not apply to me," wrote Nichols, claiming that the federal government is operating in violation of the Constitution. "It is therefore now mandatory for . . . the so-called IRS, for example, to prove its jurisdiction."

Steeped in the rhetoric of the militia and the Patriot Movement, Nichols along with his brother James, refused to recognize the government as legal and as having any authority over their day-to-day actions. Terry refused to register his pick-up truck or buy a valid license plate because he did not believe that the Constitution empowered the U.S. government to print money.

When McVeigh arrived at the Decker farm, the Waco stand-off was at full steam. When the end of siege resulted in the deaths of 75 Branch Davidians, McVeigh was livid - and he was certain that the government had to pay. Before long, MVeigh and the Nichols brothers were practicing setting off explosives on the farm. The three men attended meetings of the Michigan Militia but grew frustrated with all of the talk and no action, consequently, they formed their own cell of a paramilitary group called "The Patriots." McVeigh would spend a lot of time with Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier. The government had finally shown the world how it treated its citizens, and Timothy McVeigh was a man on a mission.

Bland, nondescript Timothy McVeigh believed that it was time to send the message and sound the alarm that would rally the armed citizens of America to take action. Among the people who McVeigh had met in Tulsa were Dennis Mahon and Andreas Strassmeir. Both of these men were neo-Nazi's with deep ties to the racist right and the underground which encourages and supports small cell and lone-wolf violence. While the Nichols brothers had the know-how in building bombs from common materials - the racist right had the connections needed to make it happen.

Dennis Mahon is a flamboyant and aging racist who handles the Oklahoma cell of White Aryan Resistance for Tom Metzger. The guru of Lone Wolf activism, Metzger has long been associated with the racist right and the police. Mahon, who became romantically involved with Carol Howe, an ATF informant, has repeatedly pled the Fifth at Grand Jury proceedings surrounding the events of the bombing. In one report Mahon claims that in a conversation with McVeigh who was using the alias of "Tim Tuttle" about Waco he stated:

I met Tim Tuttle, but I didn't know he was alias Tim McVeigh. I met him at gun shows. He sold military stuff, knives, gun parts, camouflage uniforms. I remember he had real short hair and real intense eyes and the real long narrow nose...And we talked about Waco. And I said, 'What comes around goes around. If they keep doing this terrorism on our people, terrorism's going to happen to them....'He said, 'Probably. Probably so."

Vehemently anti-government and viciously anti-racist, Mahon referred to Timothy McVeigh as a martyr for the cause and stated:

"Timothy McVeigh is my hero. Wish we had a thousand more like him. He took action."

He also referred to the bombng as "a fine thing" and stated further "I hate the government with a perfect hatred. If I had a nuclear bomb, I'd put it in a truck and drive right up to the Capitol Building in Washington and blow it all up, me included." Believing that any and all methods are legitimate when it comes to saving your nation, Mahon was the perfect friend for Timothy McVeigh.

Dennis Mahon was a world traveler and Timothy McVeigh's defense team attempted to introduce evidence which would demonstrate a Middle-Eastern tie to the bombing via Dennis Mahon - the evidence was never allowed, but in a brief filed by defense attorney's the suspicion of these ties was stated thusly:

"The defense believes that there is credible evidence that a conspiracy to bomb federal property, very possibly the Murrah Building, is centered in Elohim City and the persons described which are associated with Elohim City, but that the technical expertise and possibly financial support came from a foreign country, most likely Iraq, but possibly Iran or another state in the Middle East. Dennis Mahon has admitted publicly to received money from Iraq, approximately once a month. D.E. 2191 at 11. According to Mahon, the money started arriving in 1991 after he began holding rallies protesting the Persian Gulf War. Id.

Although the defense has no direct evidence linking Suspect I with Iraq, there is evidence indicating an indirect connection between Suspect I and Iraq through the militant Posse Comitatus group in Kansas."

Often referring to himself as "the master of disguise," Mahon was identified as the person driving the Ryder truck on the morning of April 19th, 1995, with Tim McVeigh riding as a passenger. To date, Mahon has not been questioned or arrested.

Andreas Strassmeir, a/k/a "Andy the German was a friend of Dennis Mahon's and a very important person to Timothy McVeigh. A German-born nationalist living in the United States on an expired visa, Andy became the Chief of Security for Elohim City, a white-supremacist compound and breeding ground for terrorists fronted by the bastardized religion of Christian Identity located in the foothills of the Ozark Mountains in Eastern Oklahoma. Andreas, the consummate Nazi, is believed by many to have been a government informant - perhaps the FBI informant that the ATF didn't know about. He played his part to the hilt. It is well documented, however, that the FBI knew what was transpiring in Elohim City and precisely what Strassmeir was doing there.

Strassmeir has been placed in the company of Timothy McVeigh and Dennis Mahon on numerous occasions. In fact, it is now known that the phone call that McVeigh placed to Elohim City just 12 days before the bombing was actually a phone call to Andreas Strassmeir. Andy's association with a former CIA agent has come under scrutiny and many believe that Strassmeir was John Doe #2. In Novemeber, 1994, Carol Howe informed the ATF that Strassmeir had declared "It's time to go to war�it's time to start bombing federal buildings."

With these acquaintances and the introduction of McVeigh to the Elohim City compound, Tim was able to formulate a plan, locate funding and garner support from other like-minded people. This also, undoubtedly buoyed his belief in the army of armed civilians ready to engage in insurrection as the people of Elohim City are all armed and all anti-government.

Elohim City also serves as a "safe haven" for those on the run. As the planning was taking place for McVeigh's final act, the Aryan Republican Army was using the compound to regroup and plan their next heist. The Aryan Republican Army was comprised of Mark Thomas, the Pennsylvania leader of the Aryan Nations and Christian Identity minister, Peter Langan known as "Commander Pedro," an Aryan Nations disciple, Richard Lee Guthrie, a Christian Identity adherent, Scott Stedeford, Christian Identity, Aryan Nations adherent, Kevin McCarthy, Christian Identity, Aryan Nations adherent and Michael Brescia, one time roommate of Andreas Strassmeir at Elohim City.

McVeigh had always been enterprising at raising money. And, this would be no exception. The purpose of the Aryan Republican Army, according to member Kevin McCarthy, was to raise money to "commit terrorist acts against the United States." Timothy McVeigh certainly wanted to commit acts of terror against the government and in order to do so, he had to raise the funds.

The one family member who Timothy McVeigh was closet to was his sister, Jennifer. Younger than Tim, he felt somewhat paternal towards her. In November of 1994, Jennifer tells us under oath that Timothy flashed a wad of money and asked her to launder it for him. He claimed that it came from a bank robbery. At the same time, Tim told Jennifer about plans to commit political assassinations.

Tim McVeigh made friends with the members of the Aryan Republican Army and newly released information now confirms that he was involved with some of the robberies that the ARA committed as a method to fund his terrorist activities. The familiar saying among the racist right that "All roads lead to Elohim City," can now be fully appreciated and understood.

Timothy McVeigh was seen in the company of many of the residents and guests of Elohim City prior to the bombing. One report places Michael Fortier at Elohim City on at least one occasion. On April 8, 1995, just 11 days before the bombing, Timothy McVeigh, Andreas Strassmeir and Michael Bresscia are reported to have been seen at a strip-club in Tulsa, Oklahoma. According to one of the strippers, McVeigh told her , "I am a very smart man," to which she responded, "You are?" And McVeigh replied, "Yes I am. And on April 19, 1995, you'll remember me for the rest of your life." The stripper replied, "Oh really?" And Tim simply said, "Yes you will." Several witnesses placed the three men together in Lady Godiva's that night.

The prosecution asserted that the bomb that was built to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was put together by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols at Geary Lake State Park just north of Nichols' home in Herington, Kansas. What the prosecution failed to mention was that others were seen in Herington with Mcveigh - others who have been identified as Michael Brescia and Andreas Strassmeir.

A loner, filled with rage and believing in the shadowy underground of militia's and armed insurrection searching for others who believed Timothy McVeigh moved into the realm of Elohim City and found the means and the connections to carry out his obsession. From the mesa top in Arizona and the message of Bill Cooper to the Oklahoma compound of Elohim City and at all points in between, McVeigh's distorted perceptions were reinforced time and time again. From the pages of the "Turner Diaries," emerged a three-dimensional Earl Turner. The book that tells the story of murder, mayhem and governmental overthrow was brought to life.

There are those who believe that Timothy McVeigh was used by his new-found friends and that he took the fall for those who were truly guilty. Timothy McVeigh admitted to the bombing and took the responsibility. And he paid - with his life. To the end, McVeigh never implicated the others, but that too was in keeping with the Diaries. You might say that he "consecrated his life" to the cause. And in death, martyrdom would be the over-riding factor for McVeigh. As he issued the poem "Invictus" as his last words, Timothy McVeigh became the captain of his fate. Timothy McVeigh died much as Earl Turner died, believing that he had given the ultimate sacrifice and seeing in those who befriended and assisted him what Turner saw in his brethren of the "Order."

" As the torchlight flickered over the coarse, gray robes of the motionless throng, I thought to myself: These men are the best my race has produced in this generation-and they are as good as have been produced in any generation. In them are combined fiery passion and icy discipline, deep intelligence and instant readiness for action, a strong sense of self-worth and a total commitment to our common cause. On them hang the hopes of everything that will ever be. They are the vanguard of the coming New Era, the pioneers who will lead our race out of its present depths and toward the unexplored heights above. And I am one with them!" (The Turner Diaries)

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  1. 1 man Klan rally in Aiken county SC. He said the other 30 who were supposed to show up got lost in North Carolina. Like can't these idiots read a map or use a GPS system?

    Cowardly Chris Drake failed to show up for the rally in his own neighborhood.

    THey are using one of White's old tricks, invent a story where a whole bunch of people are coming that got lost.

  2. The black Helicopters fly over my house all night long!
    Truth about Black Helicoppies

    But they never find me because the Aliens abduct me each and every night and anal probe least I think it is aliens. In any case this is the guy that causes the whole thing:

    Never forget, Never Forgive!

  3. Infowars and Black Helicopters and Timmothy McVeigh/federal building conspiracy theories.....someone needs a haldol injection.

  4. Whatever point you are trying to make here, the one message I get is that our government is evil. Very, very evil. As I read it I was thinking Timothy McVeigh was probably a "Hal Turner" type from the time he left the army. Why be in the army if he is anti-government and why leave the army just because of failing to make the Green Berets? The Middle East country involved was probably our good friend Israel.

  5. What kind of idiot reads an article about Timmy McVeigh and decides our government is evil? You want evil, look at Neo-Nazi goose stepping faggets. Look at Bill White, Chris Drake, Mike Blevins (daughter rape), Jeff Schoep, Alex Linder. Look at Kevin Alfred Strom who only got a slap on the wrist for raping a 9 year old girl. Look at Hardy Lloyd, that dude should never be allowed to see the light of day, ever.

    Certainly the government isn't perfect but as long as it is locking up these guys it is all right by me. I hope Bill White gets 30 years and is ass raped each and every day. I wish Timmy McVeigh could be brought back and killed slowly same with Von Brunn.

  6. the likes of Linder, Bill White & KAS more dangerous than ZOG?!?


    ever hear of: "the bombing of Dresden", the false-flagged Korean & Vietnam Wars, false-flagged 9/11, the Bali Bombing, invasion/subjugation of Iraq & Afghanistan (ongoing...literally MILLIONS of fatalities and many millions more permanently & severly injured!)

    grow a brain, you fucking IMBECILE!....clowns like McVeigh (IF he did it!) kill dozens....ZOG kills MILLIONS!

  7. ZOG only exists in your sick demented head. You lose.

  8. I agree with Anonymous 100% Timmy McVeigh was a complete Toad, a cockroach. The Blevins, Whites, and Drakes are his ideological brothers. IF the governement steps on them like cockroaches I will be on the front row cheering them on. Keep reporting them to Homeland Security, it works. Just ask Bill White, Lloyd Hardy, and Curt Maynard. I hope the feds show up at Blevin's to slap his tiny little wee wee around. This will keep the little coward from getting his fat ass into any trouble, be good for the boy.

  9. uh....youse judæo-marxist leftist twats ain't gunna HAVE a "gub'mint" much longer!

    we're "cancelling" ZOG's contract!

  10. Fuck off Arty. As you have been told ZOG only exists in your sick and demented brain.

  11. ha ha ha....

    Nikki maggot-features Nichols is too scared to have "a public profile" on FaceBook....scared some "white racists" might come looking for you, bitch?

    yr RIGHT! fucking baby-butchering, genocidal Piece of Shit....the 'Kwa's goin' south...and YOU're ON THE LIST you fucking nigger-loving kike shit eating WHORE!

    i'll PISS on yr grave yet, you fucking mongrel CUNT!

  12. This only proves my point. Under a good government, with good people, this would be unthinkable.

    "...Certainly the government isn't perfect but as long as it is locking up these guys it is all right by me. I hope Bill White gets 30 years and is ass raped each and every day..." Bill Roland

  13. You have no point but the one on your pointed head. Bill White has it coming. I hope he is ass raped in jail everyday of his sentence.

  14. Radical leftists are a very violent group of people. Especially the anti's whom not only are violent but have characteristics of extreme mental retardation.

    When we take back office we will start locking you people up for treason and your relentless attacks against the American Constitution which practically no longer exists today.

  15. White Bloke said ha ha ha....

    Nikki maggot-features Nichols is too scared to have "a public profile" on FaceBook....scared some "white racists" might come looking for you, bitch?

    yr RIGHT! fucking baby-butchering, genocidal Piece of Shit....the 'Kwa's goin' south...and YOU're ON THE LIST you fucking nigger-loving kike shit eating WHORE!

    i'll PISS on yr grave yet, you fucking mongrel CUNT!

    WOW! Your a fucking idiot, who just talks shit. You couldnt open a beer bottle. I bet you have to have your mother light that meth pipe for you b/c your such a dumb shit.

    Go put your water pistol down before you squirt yourself in the eye.

    Even if Nikki gave you her address, I'll bet you couldnt read a fucking map to get there. Then again you would have to wait until your mother gets her drivers license back so you can have a ride.

    Keep talking shit, your almost comic!

  16. "white bloak" is of course a troll, a stupid one at that. People who imagine ZOG are of the most boring and stupid sort.

  17. There are only 13 million Jews in the entire world. Only 5 million in the US, compared to our over 300 million population.

    They are not running the show and stripping away our Constitution. It is the left in general that is willing to give up our own freedom from oppression of the federal government. And there are FAR MORE people who are even fringe left than there are Jews.

    The reason that many in the white supremacist or separatist crowds feel that the Jews are the driving force of our oppression is because Jews just so happen to be 87% liberal therefore when in a position of power with the ability to make a decision that effects the people, they are most likely going to make a decision that coincides with their backward since of logic that is characteristic of the left.

    One must understand the true enemy in order to effectively combat it. And the enemy is not the Jews. It is a MUCH larger group of people. It is liberalism in general.

    The problem in this country is radical leftism which is pulling the moderate left further towards socialism and a willingness to hand over our freedom, property rights and right to keep the money we work hard for.

  18. After the first paragraph I was almost ready to believe that Hooch wasn't an idiot. Then he had to go and ruin it with his usual bullshit. Losers like him always have to blame someone. LOL.

  19. You know, there's no reason to be so hostile towards people just because it's the internet and you can. Talking about abusing a person because you don't like their politics or their lifestyle or whatever, it just doesn't reflect well on someone's spirit. Stop and ask yourself, what have they really done to me and those I love? Then ask yourself, don't you think that person or people has folks in their lives that love them? Sure, we're all going to have politics, we're all going to argue. Some of us think we'd be better off among our own kind. Others wish big money would triumph or that maybe we can give up some freedom for safety. It's all opinions and they can change in a day's time. It takes a lot longer to lose an enemy.

    Just because you don't like someone you've heard about or met in passing, it's no reason to poison yourself. There are real issues in this world and they get more serious the closer we are all crammed together in this rich man's machine we call America. It might be a long time before we break it all down and get out of one another's hair, but until then, let's just try to focus on the issues, not the individual.

  20. """It might be a long time before we break it all down and get out of one another's hair, but until then, let's just try to focus on the issues, not the individual."""

    Exactly, we will focus on the issues and THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM.
    We will define the ENEMY as being those who wish to tear down the United States Constitution and attack the FREEDOM that we were given by both GOD and our founding fathers.

    .....Our founding fathers who realized that NO MAN was put on this planet to be under the control of a very small but extremely special group of people.


    Molon Labe

  21. 7 More days until Bill Gets what is coming to him.

    Bill's Sentencing theme music

  22. It always does my heart good when a racist imbecile demonstrates his ignorance and inability to engage in civil discourse on a public forum. Point made!

  23. Wow, what a real winner that Ken Kraus Ken guy is.

    Some help for you Ken

    """Imbecile: A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision."""

  24. That's not Ken Kraus. It's someone too chicken shit to put his name to his insults, even on the internet.

  25. I am not Ken Kraus? Yeah, right asshole.

  26. Fine, "Ken." Then answer these questions:

    1. What injury were you suffering from in D.C. and Lansing?

    2. What type weapon did you sell to someone living in Laurens? Why did you say you needed the money?

  27. I await the answers to those questions with great interest.

  28. I'm not sure what national news channel is doing this, I think it might be MSNBC. Its running a show called, Timmothy McVeigh Lost Tapes, or something to that nature.
    They aired a sort audio of it and McVeigh says "it's ok that women are killed etc etc"

    You find this asshole a "hero"?

    You are some sick people. Then bonehead puts up a link saying it was a conspiracy.

    I guess dumbasses will believe and follow anything.


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