Friday, January 30, 2009


According to Judge Hibbler, Bill White crossed the line and volleyed his freedom of speech right out of the park. Using the internet to threaten and intimidate others may soon be something that people can no longer get away with.

The internet has long been considered the "Last Frontier" for freedoms by those who believe that our rights are being infringed upon by government and law-enforcement. However, recent concerns over the abuse of those rights have led to a closer look being taken by the powers that be.

While I believe that Bill White stepped over the proverbial line, I have to ask about others who continue to get away with much the same - i.e. Hal Turner. Turner continues to advocate violence against certain officials and personalities without so much as a nod in his direction by law-enforcement. Why is that, I wonder?


Ruling clears way for neo-Nazi trial
A Chicago judge said William A. White's Web comments were not protected free speech.
By Laurence Hammack

Previous coverage
William White's legal issues, racist rants
A neo-Nazi leader known for pushing the boundaries of the First Amendment pushed too far when he advocated violence through his Web site, a federal judge in Chicago has ruled.

U.S. District Court Judge William Hibbler rejected William A. White's pre-trial argument that his online comments about a federal juror were protected free speech -- although that defense could be raised a second time at a jury trial set for March.

White, head of the Roanoke-based American National Socialist Workers Party, is in a Chicago jail on a charge of encouraging violence against the foreman of a jury that convicted a fellow white supremacist.

In a posting to his Web site that criticized the verdict, White listed the juror's name, address and telephone numbers. Although he made no direct threats, federal prosecutors say the post should be viewed in the larger context of, his former Web site where they say White encouraged racial attacks against dozens of people to an audience prone to both prejudice and violence.

Had White limited his remarks to criticism of the juror's role in the case, that would have been protected speech, Hibbler wrote in a brief opinion, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Chicago, denying a defense motion to dismiss the charge.

"When the defendant went further and listed personal contact information about [the juror] combined with other postings which advocated violence toward identified individuals ... he stepped beyond the protection of the First Amendment," Hibbler wrote.

Nishay Sanan, a Chicago attorney who represents White, said Wednesday that he can still make a free speech argument when the case goes to trial.

While the pre-trial motion had asked Hibbler to dismiss the charge on legal grounds, a jury could be asked to consider testimony and additional arguments before deciding the case, Sanan said.

Sanan and co-counsel Chris Shepherd had cited several U.S. Supreme Court cases in support of their argument that White's postings, however crass and incendiary, deserve First Amendment protection.

One case involved a member of the Ku Klux Klan who suggested during a cross burning that vengeance be taken against the government for suppressing the rights of whites. The Klansman was convicted under an Ohio law that made it illegal to advocate a crime as a means of political reform.

In reversing the man's conviction, the Supreme Court established a two-part standard for criminal incitement: The speech must be intended to incite imminent illegal actions, and it must be likely to produce such a result.

"The government has shown neither imminence nor likelihood, yet proceeds on an indictment of White in violation of his freedom of speech," his attorneys wrote in court filings.

Federal prosecutors responded that in making that determination that "the postings themselves cannot be viewed in a vacuum, but must be seen in the context of as a whole."

That argument has allowed the government, at least in pre-trial proceedings, to cite numerous inflammatory postings by White: his calls to lynch six teenagers charged with assault in a high-profile Louisiana case; his talk of a murderous rampage in Roanoke; his magazine cover that put President Obama in the crosshairs of an assassin's rifle.

Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Chicago, declined to comment on Hibbler's ruling.

The judge's decision applies only to the charge White faces in Chicago, which carries a punishment of up to 10 years. Once that case is resolved, the 31-year-old will be returned to Roanoke to face additional indictments.

A grand jury in Roanoke has accused White of using his Web site and e-mail to threaten and harass targets across the country, including a banker, a newspaper columnist, a civil rights attorney and a small-town mayor.

White, a Roanoke landlord, has been called "possibly the loudest and most obnoxious neo-Nazi leader in America" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based organization that monitors hate groups.

White supremacists have increasingly used the Internet to spread their message and recruit new members, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University at San Bernardino.

Hibbler's decision is consistent with other court rulings that draw the line between online commentary and criminal activity, Levin said.

"If the Internet is viewed as the public square from a First Amendment perspective, that doesn't mean you can go to the public square and threaten people," Levin said. "I would even argue that the Internet makes it worse, because you're putting it out there to so many other people."


  1. And why is Hal Turner not also being held accountable to the same standard? Why is Hal Turner still at liberty?

  2. Hal is an informant and most know that.

  3. More proof that Hal is an informant. Quotes like this are on almost a daily basis. A show set up for the primary purpose of trying to get these people attacked.

    I must say, that I too am pissed off about this whole meltdown, but I feel these people should be put to death through our legal system. It is my bet that they will walk out of this with clean hands though as a great deal of the culprits are politicians working on insider deals with these corporations.

    "I have begun thinking about bringing my radio show back to the airwaves and to the internet. Instead of discussing news of the day, I think the new incarnation of the show would be very different and quite unique.

    Each week, I will focus on a few of the key people involved in the financial meltdown. I will tell everyone what they did and what impact it had on all our lives and then. . . . . . I will give out their home address with the intent they be attacked and seriously harmed!"

  4. Make no mistake,Hal Turner is an informant !


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