Saturday, March 07, 2009

A REAL IMAGE PROBLEM

Now I gotta tell ya...I'm not a Republican and I am certainly no Limbaugh fan, so all of the current machinations taking place are just pleasing the hell out of me. First there is Micaheal Steele...

TO ORIGINAL SOURCE


March 8, 2009
New Chairman Boos G.O.P. When He’s Not Cheerleading
By JODI KANTOR
None of the guests seemed to be complaining, yet Michael Steele stood at a Fifth Avenue fund-raiser in New York on Wednesday evening and defended his month-old tenure as chairman of the Republican National Committee. His glasses had been askew since he pleaded his case on television that morning, and now he threw up his arms in admission.

Yes, some of his problems in the job were “self-inflicted,” he said, “but I do things to get a reaction.”

There is no wondering which things he meant. Since taking office, Mr. Steele has joyfully gone to war with his own party, often live on television.

Most chairmen wave the party flag; Mr. Steele smiles and shreds it. A man of constantly colliding analogies, he compares Republicans to drunks in need of a 12-step program and to the mentally ill. He has insulted Rush Limbaugh and moderate Republican senators alike, and he has promised a “hip-hop makeover” that would attract even “one-armed midgets” to his party.

Mr. Steele is the party’s first African-American chairman, his election a response to a history-making Democratic president. But now his performance is raising questions: Does he have a strategy, or is he simply saying whatever comes to mind? Republican moderates have staked hopes of reform on him, betting that his race and frank style will foster a new image of the party, but is this what they expected?

“I’m trying to move an elephant that’s become mired in its own muck,” Mr. Steele said in an interview last week in his sunlit Capitol Hill office, pausing whenever he appeared on the giant television close by his desk.

“You can say, ‘He’s crazy, he’s running off at the mouth,’ ” he said. “Or you can say, ‘It kind of makes sense, and I get it.’ ”

Since he became chairman, Mr. Steele, 50, has shown some of the same impulses that have governed and sometimes sabotaged him from an early age. He has at times rejected his own environment — becoming a Republican when everyone he knew was a Democrat, leaving jobs after short stints and attacking those who helped make him successful.

He has often been a victim of his own impetuousness. He worked his way through law school at night and won a job at a top firm, but he failed the Maryland bar exam because, he says, he took it on a whim. He is a born actor, a high-school musical ham whose instinct to perform can undermine his credibility (in the interview, he said he would accept Stephen Colbert’s recent challenge of a hip-hop duel).

Even those who applaud Mr. Steele’s vision of a more inclusive Republican Party wonder if he can execute it. “Does he have the mettle to wage that type of fight?” asked Benjamin T. Jealous, the president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Mr. Steele says that he does, but that he is entirely willing to risk failure. “I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing,” he said.

For decades, top Republican officials have looked at Mr. Steele and seen the promise of minority votes. He was recruited in the 1980s by Lee Atwater, a strategist who was the first of many excited by the charismatic, black Roman Catholic.

Outside politics, Mr. Steele struggled. He tried the priesthood but left as a novice. Later he practiced law for seven years in Washington (after passing the Pennsylvania state bar, he said), then started a consulting firm that made so little money that he almost lost his home.

But in the weak Maryland Republican Party, in a state that is 30 percent black, Mr. Steele was an instant hero. (The moment she saw him, said Joyce Terhes, the former state party chairwoman, she knew he was a keeper.) He zoomed from volunteer to state chairman to running mate in a race for governor.

Before the 2002 election, The Baltimore Sun published an editorial saying that because of his lack of experience, Mr. Steele brought “little to the team but the color of his skin,” outraging him and his supporters.

When Mr. Steele became lieutenant governor, he found himself among the highest-ranking black Republicans in the country, instantly embraced by President George W. Bush and his allies. Speaking to black groups, he was often the only Republican in the room, and in some Republican gatherings, the only African-American.

More than other black Republicans, “he has this unique capacity to connect with black audiences in a pretty soulful way,” said the talk show host Tavis Smiley. When Mr. Steele ran for the Senate in 2006, Russell Simmons, the hip-hop music executive and a Democrat, went to Maryland to endorse him.

Running in an unpopular year and state for Republicans, Mr. Steele tried to shed ties to his party. He called the “R” in Republican a “scarlet letter” and omitted his affiliation from advertisements: instead he talked about his love for puppies, his mother and the music of Frank Sinatra. On Election Day, campaign workers passed out sample ballots that listed him as a Democrat.

Still, Mr. Steele lost by almost 10 points, attracting only a quarter of the black vote. (He is still dogged by finance questions, like a $40,000 payment to a defunct company owned by his sister. He has said the payment was legitimate and that he is cooperating with a federal investigation.)

But among Republicans watching the rise of Barack Obama, Mr. Steele seemed more popular than ever. In early 2007, when Mr. Steele walked into a conservative forum on minority outreach, “you would have thought that he’d won,” said Doug Heye, his former spokesman.

Two years later, Mr. Steele ran for party spokesman as much as party chairman. He promised to bring wholesale reform and to present a new face of the party: black, engaging and funny.

He was something of a celebrity candidate — a paid Fox News contributor endorsed by Sean Hannity who served as a surrogate for Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign and originated the “Drill, baby, drill” chant that rang through Republican rallies.

His prospects improved further when two white candidates ran into race-related problems — one distributed a song calling Mr. Obama a “magic negro,” another had been a member of an all-white country club — and stoked Republicans’ fears about appearing narrow-minded.

Still, Mr. Steele won the post only on a sixth ballot.

“We have an image problem,” said Saul Anuzis, one of the losing candidates, “and that’s why people see a glimmer of opportunity with Michael Steele, not only because of his color.”

“He exudes enthusiasm,” Mr. Anuzis said. “That almost cavalier approach may turn some people off,” but during Mr. Steele’s recent television appearances, “I think a lot of the country was nodding their head saying, ‘Exactly.’ ”

The tactics that served Mr. Steele in his rise — calling out his party, using slang to connect with voters — may, however, hurt him as chairman. He has quickly become a target of late-night talk show hosts. And last week, after calling Mr. Limbaugh’s radio show “incendiary” and “ugly,” he provoked heckling not only from him but also from gleeful Democrats. (Mr. Steele apologized, delighting Democrats further.)

Even Mr. Steele’s pledge to recruit black voters is in question. Raynard Jackson, a Republican consultant, said that he and fellow African-Americans are glad about Mr. Steele’s election but uneasy about its timing. It looks too much like “let’s get a black person out there and let him attack the first black president,” Mr. Jackson said.

Last week, Ada Fisher, one of a handful of black Republican National Committee members and a persistent critic of Mr. Steele’s, called on him to resign, arguing in an e-mail message to the entire committee that he “makes us frankly appear to many blacks as quite foolish.”

But barring a mass revolt by members, which so far seems unlikely, Mr. Steele — who has never managed a large organization or won a race for public office on his own — has a two-year term in which to build a new operation, raise hundreds of millions of dollars and win enough races to reverse the Democratic tide.

About 70 staff members have already resigned or been fired, said Curt Anderson, a consultant Mr. Steele hired to assist him, while transition teams figure out how to restructure virtually every aspect of operations.

And as tempestuous as the past month has been, Mr. Steele said in the interview, Republicans should get ready for more. “I’m very spontaneous,” he said, comparing working with him to riding a roller coaster without knowing when the next dip or curve might come.

“Be prepared; you have no idea,” he said. “Just buckle up and get ready to go.”

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Next you have the antics of Rush Limbaugh...

TO ORIGINAL ARTICLE


It wasn't a fight I went looking for. On March 3, the popular radio host Mark Levin opened his show with an outburst (he always opens his show with an outburst): "There are people who have somehow claimed the conservative mantle … You don't even know who they are … They're so irrelevant … It's time to name names …! The Canadian David Frum: where did this a-hole come from? … In the foxhole with other conservatives, you know what this jerk does? He keeps shooting us in the back … Hey, Frum: you're a putz."

Now, of course, Mark Levin knows perfectly well where I come from. We've known each other for years, had dinner together. I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the "Read My Lips" Bush, the "Axis of Evil" Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea.


Reinventing the GOP
Republicans face a daunting challenge in re-making and re-marketing their party. Who will shape that effort? Newsweek spoke to four leading Republicans:

Newt Gingrich: It's Not About The Base
Eric Cantor: It’s All About Jobs
Mark Sanford: Build From The Local Level
Paul Ryan: Let The Idea People Lead
I mention all this not because I expect you to be fascinated with my life story, but to establish some bona fides. In the conservative world, we have a tendency to dismiss unwelcome realities. When one of us looks up and murmurs, "Hey, guys, there seems to be an avalanche heading our way," the others tend to shrug and say, he's a "squish" or a RINO—Republican in Name Only.

Levin had been provoked by a blog entry I'd posted the day before on my site, NewMajority.com. Here's what I wrote: President Obama and Rush Limbaugh do not agree on much, but they share at least one thing: Both wish to see Rush anointed as the leader of the Republican party.

Here's Rahm Emanuel on Face the Nation yesterday: "the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican party." What a great endorsement for Rush! … But what about the rest of the party? Here's the duel that Obama and Limbaugh are jointly arranging:

On the one side, the president of the United States: soft-spoken and conciliatory, never angry, always invoking the recession and its victims. This president invokes the language of "responsibility," and in his own life seems to epitomize that ideal: He is physically honed and disciplined, his worst vice an occasional cigarette. He is at the same time an apparently devoted husband and father. Unsurprisingly, women voters trust and admire him.

And for the leader of the Republicans? A man who is aggressive and bombastic, cutting and sarcastic, who dismisses the concerned citizens in network news focus groups as "losers." With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence—exactly the image that Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And we're cooperating! Those images of crowds of CPACers cheering Rush's every rancorous word—we'll be seeing them rebroadcast for a long time.

Rush knows what he is doing. The worse conservatives do, the more important Rush becomes as leader of the ardent remnant. The better conservatives succeed, the more we become a broad national governing coalition, the more Rush will be sidelined.

But do the rest of us understand what we are doing to ourselves by accepting this leadership? Rush is to the Republicanism of the 2000s what Jesse Jackson was to the Democratic party in the 1980s. He plays an important role in our coalition, and of course he and his supporters have to be treated with respect. But he cannot be allowed to be the public face of the enterprise—and we have to find ways of assuring the public that he is just one Republican voice among many, and very far from the most important.

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Can anyone say "Implode!" I'm just cracking up.

46 comments:

  1. Limbaugh is a drug addled idiot of the highest proportions. If I didn't already hate the GOP Rush would be enough reason to do so.

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  2. it took $a gazillion$, 24/7-media campaign, the fielding of a no-hoper, geriatric, war-mongering eedjit as the Republicunt candidate & the complete media "black-out" of the likes of Ron Paul & Ralph Nader for Obongo to get "elected" by a slim majority; even with all of that, over 45% of white people STILL voted "Republicunt"!

    that fckn nigga's days are NUMBERED!

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  3. Shut up Blevins. No one gives a damn about your opinion, moron.

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  4. "Moderate Republicans" Nikki? I fear that there are very few of these anymore. The GOP has drifted too far to the right. They have also seemingly forgotten that they serve the American People. They've become the party of cry baby sore losers, who'd rather attack Obama than work with him in the interests of the nation and the American people.

    The Democrats are not much better. pork spending needs to be put aside until the current economic crisis is over. I am all for Education, Health Care and the like but it needs to be put aside until the current crisis is over. The current spending Bill should be Vetoed. NO MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL UNTIL THE CRISIS IS SOLVED.

    Oh and "Jimbo" since you are a supposed Australian why should you
    care about what happens here in the States? Your ass is showing.

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  5. I guess it's easier to talk about Rush Limbaugh than this BIG FAT TIT FAILURE that is the Obama administration.

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  6. Democrats have done more to boost the ratings of Rush Limbaugh in the past two weeks than any ad campaign could have hoped to do. The potrayal of Limbaugh as leader of the Republican Party and the organized attacks are another example of the Illinois politics that permeate the Obama administration.

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  7. Where's the Jobs?

    Where's the Jobs?

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    Where's the Jobs?

    Where's the Jobs?

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    Where's the Jobs?

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  8. Rush is a modern day Diogenes searching through America, with a lighted lantern (Truth on loan from God) looking for an honest man (President)...he never found one.

    BHO is the Music Man proclaiming trouble in River City and willing to fleece his adoring townsfolk of everything they have while proclaming great things in the future (for the children) which never comes.

    Why do you think BHO is "Rush"ing through all these changes at break-neck speed with no time to review them before they become law even though he "promised" a 5 day review on all legislation?


    BHO is gifted showman and magician.

    One of the most basic strategies in a successful magic trick is the use of misdirection and diversion. A great magician amazes by doing the obviously impossible and the audience applauds, delighted to be fooled, misdirected to look left when the real action is on the right, and cannot explain the inexplicable.

    So now we have the anti-Rush plan to use as another DIVERSION. Rush clearly explained the truths of Conservatism two weeks ago at cpac,and why it has worked for America everytime. He does not bother to align himself with any party, much less the Republicans.

    The Left does nothing to explain why their positions are better and how it has worked in the past. Instead they just shout obscenities and try to destroy any opposition, all the while proclaiming how much they "care" for and strive for bipatisanship.

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  9. "One of the most basic strategies in a successful magic trick is the use of misdirection and diversion."

    That is the essence of what is going on. The Obama people think that most people are unsophisticated and don't realize what he is doing or that we can't see his sleight of hand.

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  10. What does Obama and the Dems do while Rome burns?--talk about how the Republikahns can't get their act together.

    Obama and the Dems own this thing now, and it is time to refocus their attention on the economy.

    Message to the Dems:

    You don't need the Republicans to pass laws and max out the national Visa card, because you have all the votes you need--YOU MUST TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS THING NOW.

    The nation is losing it's wealth, people are losing their jobs and folk are living in tent cities called Obamavilles. Time for the Democrats to stop playing politics and get real.

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  11. I predict by July the only people that will have jobs are healthcare professionals and those working for the Federal and State governement.

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  12. No objectivity can be found on any of the articles posted here of late.

    It is apparent Nikki has drunk the cool-aid.

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  13. Blevins going ape shit again. Shut up Mikey, no one wants to hear your whining.

    Hey Blevins I predict if you take your meds and get a fucking job you'd have less time to show us your stupidity.

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  14. Looks like vonbubble head is out:

    http://zogsnightmare.com/smf/index.php?topic=3556.0

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  15. I never understood the obsession with that idiot Blevins anyway.

    He has always been a non factor.

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  16. Blevins has never been anything but a fake white traitor. I would personally smash his teeth down his throat if I ever met him. Same with Matthew Ramsey. The only others I hold in his high disdain are Bill White and Hal Turner put a bullet through those two.

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  17. """Raoul Xemblinosky said...
    "Moderate Republicans" Nikki?The GOP has drifted too far to the right."""

    God, you are a complete moron. You obviously don't know the difference between right and left in the Republican party. McCain was about as far as you could possibly go to the left, not right.

    """who'd rather attack Obama than work with him in the interests of the nation and the American people."""

    Ohhh, what a great idea, lets HELP him spread socialism. Lets HELP him fuck over our children with debt that even they will not be able to repay for us.

    """pork spending needs to be put aside until the current economic crisis is over."""

    That means most of the bailout needs to be put aside. And also, it doesn't need to be put aside until the crisis is over. It needs to be put aside permenantly.


    """The current spending Bill should be Vetoed. NO MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL UNTIL THE CRISIS IS SOLVED."""

    So we should HELP Obama in doing exactly the opposite than what you say here??? I totally agree with you on this issue and HELPing Obama means HELPING him financially rape our children against their will.

    """Message to the Dems:You don't need the Republicans to pass laws and max out the national Visa card"""

    LOL, the Dems are failing miserably. They now have officially bankrupted this country spending more money in the first 30 days than ever in United States history. You are right, they don't need republicans to max out the national Visa because they can max it out themselves to a much greater degree than ever before.

    """The nation is losing it's wealth, people are losing their jobs and folk are living in tent cities called Obamavilles."""

    Thanks to Obama and his bailoutS, we now are destined to never see this country in a good financial standpoint within our lifetime.

    """I predict by July the only people that will have jobs are healthcare professionals and those working for the Federal and State governement."""

    Good prediction and you are probably right.

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  18. Xemblinosky is about 100 times smarter than you Hooch/Blevins, why don't you shut the fuck up? The only thing you've ever proven is that you are a liar and an idiot. The American public know who is to blame for the current crisis, bitch and it sure as hell isn't Obama. Quit your cry baby whining and try to be a man for once. Oh and Blevins? Get a job your worthless cunt.

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  19. Hooch is sooo funny. I log onto here to laugh at him and watch him try to back pedal his way out of his lies and stupidity. Hey Hooch tell us again how GW didn't double the national debt. Hey Hooch tell us again how you aren't a racist. LOL. Oh man the only bigger laughing stock on the entire net is Hal Turner. LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE.

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  20. """The American public know who is to blame for the current crisis, bitch and it sure as hell isn't Obama."""

    Go ahead and inform everyone exactly who is to blame for the current crisis. Don't bother saying the war because countries profit from war. You know as well as anyone that it is a direct result of the mortgage meltdown sucking down predatory lenders along with it. and I have already proven who exactly was responsible for the mortgage meltdown.

    """Hey Hooch tell us again how GW didn't double the national debt."""

    Go ahead and quote me on that. Post the exact quote where you say I said that.

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  21. Hooch prove anything? Just your incredible ignorance Hooch! LOL.
    You haven't proven anything Hooch. Nothing at all. Yes I know you are a legend in your own mind but that doesn't cut it boy. Now run along and get a damn job Blevins.

    You'd think the boy would learn given all the spankings he's gotten here. Oh well, the truly stupid are incapable of learning from their mistakes.

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  22. Bush did spend a lot, but Obama has spent more money than ALL of the other administrations from our FOUNDING combined.

    Let us not lose sight of that fact.

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  23. Anonymous is right-- The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined.

    It's also hard not to see the continued sell-off on Wall Street and the growing fear on Main Street as a product, at least in part, of the realization that our new president's policies are designed to radically re-engineer the market-based U.S. economy, not just mitigate the recession and financial crisis.

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  24. In less than one month Obama has doubled the national debt, literally enslaved our grandchildren to his whims, 20 States' suits for sovereignty are ongoing, he is trying to silence talk radio and religious programs, he has started socializing health care with sick and elderly being expendable, all records nationalized, protocols fixed from the top, taken over the census, given billions of our dollars to his pet projects and to pay back cronies, started on closing GITMO, dropped charges on terrorists, giving licenses and jobs to illegals on the same basis as US Citizens, dropping sanctions on Syria, and Iran –including companies which help Iran’s nuclear program, opening travel to Cuba (I’m sure I’m missing several things, feel free to fill in the blanks), forced the unwilling to fund abortions. He has done more damage in three weeks than any other President has done in 4 years, yet the media will not inform the public on what he is doing.( I hope he does not bail out HIS media when they go belly up)

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  25. I think Hooch is doing a wonderful job in explaining the position(s) of those that oppose Obama's disastrous policies.

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  26. Wow, Who was it who said I keep getting smacked down?

    You liberal extremists have taken a brutal beatdown here.

    Now here is some more shocking facts for you radical Dem. fudgepackers.

    Facts from a liberal paper. The L.A. Times.

    "1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    3.. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

    (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens."

    Now which of you would like to dispute this information and call me a racist to Illegal aliens because I just showed you factual information from one of your own prized liberal media sources? Which one of you radical liberals will say these facts are lies by your own paper?

    Most of the sources of info I give you are from liberal media so you are unable to deny it unless you wish to make yourself a traitor to your party.

    Now answer the question where Obama's illegal aunt was supposedly deported to. All you have to say is the country, not the actual town.

    Now tell me exactly why Obama has not shut down our boarders and make the simple call that he wishes strict penalties on those who hire illegals.

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  27. Hooch, keep bringing the fight to these dolts.

    Loving every minute of it.

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  28. - Look for the slow but steady erosion of rights you have enjoyed for your entire lives–all the while being told it’s “for your own good.” Restrictions on gun ownership, home schooling, encouraged dependence on the ever-growing federal government. More nanny-state provisions will be put into place to protect the “disadvantaged” and the “poor,” (read: lazy, uneducated, unwilling to better themselves) even while groups like the unborn, the mentally handicapped, elderly, and terminally ill are slowly pushed toward euthanasia. Of course, this will be done with feel-good phrases like “death with dignity,” “not wanting to be a burden,” and “merciful release from suffering,” all of which ignore the basic fact that we are killing people without their consent for the “good of the people.” Before you tell me I’m crazy, let’s just remember that Barack Obama was the ONLY senator in the Illinois state senate to vote against providing medical care for babies who were inconsiderate enough to survive an abortion. Also, look for taxes to go up. Yes, they’ll go up.

    - You think t he economy is bad now? Just wait. You’ll have the most expensive “free” health care ever. Bread lines aren’t just for Russians anymore.

    We have traded experience for color, freedom for slavery–and the irony is that the average American sheeple thinks their vote somehow righted an ancient wrong, somehow ENDED the spectre of slavery and ushered in some beautiful era of liberty. In reality, we are about to be less free than you ever thought possible.

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  29. Thanks! There are some anonymous people here that are putting a very serious beat down on these clowns as well and I couldn't do it on my own.

    This place is a hotbed for radical liberal extremists. They are teaming like flies on shit defending the turd of a political party they're sitting on.

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  30. therightperspectiveMarch 09, 2009 6:04 PM

    I think I am the only person that wants the Democrats to get everything they want. The liberal part of our country needs a short time of power so that we can all be reminded of how crappy things used to be the last time they controlled American politics.

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  31. To further illustrate your point on Obamas wish for death to those babies that survived a botched abortion. I will bet that the radicals here will say that this is not undeniable proof and they are not satisfied with this either.

    Obama is heartless hiding behind his rhetoric and attempts to twist the truth


    Here is the truth of what he feels about killing babies that survived a botched abortion

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  32. The Right Perspective.

    The problem with that and the only thing that stops me from feeling the exact way as you is the incredible unchangeable damage that they are causing like the BailoutS.

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  33. Hooch is an idiot. Answers his own bullshit. He's really that clown NewsGay. Maybe worse than Blevins. Certainly more stupid, maybe not as crazy.

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  34. Whine that is all Hooch does. I love seeing it though, too funny. Keep on whining Hooch. FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. OBAMA OH YES

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  35. Ohh, it's the anonymous radicals chiming in their incredible points of wisdom.

    You two assmonkeys finally figured it out. I am actually Belvins and every single poster here that doesn't agree with you.

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  36. rightperspectiveMarch 09, 2009 7:14 PM

    It is very important to verbally combat the Obamabots online since they think they control the debate on the internet.

    I ain't going anywhere.

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  37. Hooch my brother,

    The Obama nuts here as elsewhere are not interested in debate. They cannot articulate their positions (especially here) and therefore resort to name-calling.


    Don't let it deter you are even get you to the point where you resort to THEIR tactics--just keep presenting your arguements with pure logic as you have been.

    Good job.

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  38. Pure logic needs to be applied. Hooch and others would be wise to continue to use it.

    When we learn logic in school the categorical syllogism is often taught like this. It begins with a Major Premise, like this:
    All humans are mortal.
    Then one introduces a second, or Minor Premise, like this:
    Socrates is human.
    Then we combine the major and minor premises to get this Conclusion:
    Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

    This method of deductive logic is more than 2000 years old and is taught in almost every introductory logic course in the world. According to these rules of deductive logic, as described by Aristotle (Prior Analytics, 24b18–20) if both premises are true, then the conclusion is true.

    Logic is a branch of mathematics, and these rules are like those of arithmetic, where 2+2=4. The result is not negotiable. It is not subject to debate. These rules are universal, they apply everywhere in the known universe. At any time or place one can imagine, 2+2 will equal 4.

    Just like arithmetic, the rules of deductive logic are not time-dependent and can be articulated at any time and place in the Universe. If we were to stand on the surface of Mars, then 2+2 would equal 4, and the syllogism above would also be true. If we were traveling at nearly the speed of light, these rules would be true. If all humans disappeared from existence, and only one computer remained, then it could calculate that 2+2=4, and it would be correct. If the computer disappeared, and there were no sentient beings left, and no computational devices, then still, 2+2=4. The syllogism would also be true. These rules are not the inventions of man, they are the rules of nature, and of the Universe.

    The simple rules of arithmetic and deductive logic transcend space, time, matter, and energy. There is no point in trying to refute a categorical syllogism in which both premises are true. The conclusion must be true.

    The conclusion of this syllogism is self-evident, because it merely requires the combination of two correct premises to produce a correct conclusion.

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  39. But THESE PEOPLE would have us believe that 2+2 does not NECESSARILY equal 4.

    You ready for Obama's room 101?

    Orwell was almost right...he just had the date wrong.

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  40. What a whiner you are, bitch. You doom and gloom fuckers are soooo funnnnnny. Keep it up, Obama is gonna be in office for the next eight years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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  41. """Hooch my brother,
    ....Don't let it deter you are even get you to the point where you resort to THEIR tactics--just keep presenting your arguements with pure logic as you have been."""

    This is very hard for me to do Mind Right. On one hand I have the mental immaturity of a 20yr old frat boy and on the other hand I have the intellectual superiority that we know is a prerequisite for those who understand Conservative politics. ;-)

    The only reason I intentionally stoop to their level is because when done so it stirs the little cockroaches up and gets them in a feeding frenzy.

    Liberals are very weak minded people and give up easily. When they feel like they can't get any shots in or their shots are ineffective, they simply give up and leave to find other weak minded people to associate themselves with.

    I'm not trying to RUNNOFT Nikki's friends, just to provoke the little bastards and expose their lack of intelligence while possibly sacrificing my credibility by stepping down to their level of intellect.

    It's called "taking one for the team" ;-) More of an experiment in argumentation with a child.

    Plus, it's funny to see the little buggars run around in circles shitting on themselves.

    Have you noticed that they say the exact same thing over and over? I would think that if this is where they take all debates to.... that they don't agree with.... that they would have more tricks up their sleeves.

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  42. "Have you noticed that they say the exact same thing over and over?"


    Yes, I call it a mantra...sort of like the rednecks that shout "freebird" at every concert.

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  43. LOL, Mantra. I love it!

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  44. I used to be a RepublicanMarch 11, 2009 2:15 AM

    Name calling? Pot calling the kettle black, Hooch. You called Xemblinosky "a complete moron." How can you cry about "name calling" when you started it. Besides you don't debate you just parrot the right winged manifesto. The you come in under another alias and pat yourself on the back, telling yourself how smart you are. Pretty pathetic, all things considered. But this is the last post you'll get from me. I'm going to do what everyone should have done all along to you, I am going to ignore you. You are not worth my time.

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  45. You never will ignore me "whine boy" and you never heard me complaining about name calling because I don't give a shit.

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  46. "Sort of like the rednecks that shout 'Freebird' at every concernt".

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    That is just too damn funny.

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