Monday, August 10, 2009



August 10, 2009

BY NATASHA KORECKI Federal Courts Reporter
A lightning-rod Internet blogger and radio host out of New Jersey was a paid FBI informant, once turned over a silencer to the feds and even passed on information about a threat against President Obama.

But none of that is enough to get him out of jail now, a federal judge ruled this afternoon.

U.S. District Judge Martin Ashman said Hal Turner — accused of threatening to assault and murder three federal judges — is still a danger to the community.

Ashman said the fact that Turner from his New Jersey prison cell managed to record and post on the Internet a telephone conversation that included the names of his arresting FBI agents “tells me something about the disposition of Mr. Turner.” Ashman denied Turner’s request to have FBI agents testify at his bond hearing.

Ashman’s ruling comes despite today’s revelation that the FBI paid Turner “tens of thousands of dollars” to work as an informant from 2002 to 2005. Last year, Turner told a U.S. marshal of a threat by someone to lob mortars into Grant Park during Obama’s election celebration.

Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., is accused of attempting to instigate violence against three 7th Circuit judges after they authored an anti-gun rights ruling earlier this summer.

He posted a headline saying, “These judges deserve to be killed,” followed the next day by, “Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below. Their home addresses and maps will follow soon. Behold these devils.”

Turner posted the judges’ names, photographs, phone numbers, office address and room numbers, according to charges.

Calls for increased security and strengthened laws protecting jurists ramped up in 2005, after a disgruntled litigant broke into the North Side home of U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow and murdered her husband and mother.

One of his lawyers, Michael Orozco, said Turner was nothing more than a “shock jock,” whose on-air rhetoric was out of line with the man who went home to his wife and family at day’s end.

Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan called Turner’s role as an informant a “sideshow,” to the question of bond, saying Turner simply passed along tips and rumors to the FBI.

In one email sent July 26, 2007, Turner tells an FBI agent of his intent to turn over a silencer kit for a .22-caliber weapon.

“Just the other day we were laughing about how HQ thinks I’m satan incarnate,” Turner writes in the e-mail. “How the heck am I going to fulfill their fears if I go turning stuff like this in the way a law-abiding citizen does?”

(Empahsis added)


  1. According to NBC Chicago...

    "Judges are particularly vulnerable people. We have no Secret Service," Ashman said in denying Turner bond, according to the Trib.

    Ashman also said Turner's decision to publicly identify the FBI agents who arrested him put lives in danger. Turner made a call from prison identifying the agents, and the information was later distributed online.

    Several FBI agents were subpoenaed by Turner's lawyers to corroborate claims that Turner was indeed an FBI informant, but none of those agents showed up for a detention hearing.

  2. According to

    At the hearing, prosecutors acknowledged that for several years Turner was a paid FBI informant, saying in a letter to his lawyers he had supplied information on "right-wing white nationalist and white supremacist groups."

    Turner turned a .22-caliber silencer kit sent to him over to the FBI in July 2007, saying it was "the perfect item for an assassin."

    He also e-mailed agents in November 2007 with word that Ku Klux Klan members were planning an arson at Middle Tennessee State University because a student there had been "willfully antagonizing folks in the pro-white movement."

  3. Continuing the important debate.

    Apparently, Rahm Emmanuel's brother thinks doctors takes hippocratic oath too seriously.

    We have several people advising Obama on health policy that frankly should concern you, Nikki.

  4. Nikki, this bill doesn't jive with what Obama is saying about it. Maybe it isn't even Obama's plan:

    Part 1.

    This is Bill HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
    and here is the Breakdown:

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

    Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

    Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill - HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    (NOTE- This really does mean they can take your money at any time. Who will have this authority?—a government bureaucrat.)

    Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control.

    Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The government will ration your health care!

  5. PART 2.

    Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services.

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for government Health Care Plan

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your health care WILL be rationed!

    Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against government monopoly.

    Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The government will tell YOU what you can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k and above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who do not provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay).

    Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans' financial and personal records.

    Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

    Pg 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of doctors' time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

    Pg 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries.

    Pg 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    (Note: Much cancer treatment will not work unless implemented early, but the waiting time just to see a specialist will likely be months when this plan is implemented. As you can see in this bill, the option of the health care bureaucrat is to deny treatment to those they deem not likely to be helped by it.)

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable re-admissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Government will penalize you.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception, BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing.

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Committee. Health care by phone/Internet?

  6. PART 3.

    Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

    Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient's health deteriorates.

    Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    (NOTE-The above really does give the government the authority to determine who lives and dies, and when. A government bureaucrat really will be making this decision for you and your loved ones.)

    Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

    Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage.

    Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

    PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.

    Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

    Pg 503 lines 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the U.S., including your data.

    Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published and unpublished (that means public and your private info).

    PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.

    PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from Health Care consumer reps – Can you say unions and ACORN?

    PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

    PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what quality means in health care. Since when does government know about quality?

    Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from other government Trust Funds. More Taxes.

    PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients.

    PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc.

    Pg 628 Sec 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.

    Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those multi-stake holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding health care quality.

    Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of health care services as they see fit.

    PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services and Dialysis Services.

    Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on doctor but not government.

    Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.

    PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

    Pg 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

    Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the government with an $18 million website?

    (NOTE-Can you actually imagine empowering the government to fight waste, fraud, and abuse????)

  7. PART 4

    PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of health care plan isn’t in Government Health Care Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

    PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on health care provider or supplier, government can do background check.

    PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny health care providers/ suppliers admittance into Health Care Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.

    Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

    PG 722 Sec 1639 Government MANDATES doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.

    PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (your kids).

    PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other health care service.

    Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement, proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

    PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That's your tax dollars people).

    Pg 757-762 Federal Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

    Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin.

    Pg 765 Sec 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

    Pg 768 Sec 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks).

    Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.

    Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?

    Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereign.

    (NOTE-Can you believe that in America you will be told how many children you can have, and when? Does this mean we can expect the government to impose mandatory abortions? How else can this be interpreted?)
    Pg 789-797 Government will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.

    Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control doctors’ educations.

  8. PART 5.

    PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

    Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. req. to register. Government takes over private payment system.

    Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.

    Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.

    PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self-insured to pay for Trust Fund!

    PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

    Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids.

    PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!!

    (NOTE-If you think this sounds like “Big Brother” actually coming into our homes, we really need to think about what comes after Big Brother. )

    Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s billion.

    Pg 865 The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.

    PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where doctors perform mandatory health care for two years for part loan repayment.

    PG 876-892 The government takes over the education of our medical students and doctors.

    PG 898 The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service.

    PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

    PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular and Reserve Officers. HC Draft?

    PG 910 The government will develop, build, and run Public Health Training Centers.

    PG 913-914 Government starts a health care affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

    PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDDATES Cultural and linguistic competency training for health care professionals.

    Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative and Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000 billion.

    PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!

    PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?

    (NOTE-This is no joke—the government will be able to actually mandate what you can eat or not eat. This could be helpful for some, but do we want the government doing it?)

    PG 942 Lines 22-25 More government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health

    PG 950- 980 BIG GOVERNMENT core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems, health info sys, etc.

    PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance or choice.

    PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say government brainwash!

    PG 1001 The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

  9. The above is a breakdown of what is in the House Bill on healthcare.

    If you read this breakdown you will begin to see why so many people have a problem with it.

  10. "Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids."

    Oh, that's a lovely one there.

  11. Nikki said in other section this bill doesn't promote euthenasia.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life...

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing. I AM SORRY NIKKI, BUT "OUTCOME" BASED HEALTHCARE PUTS WAAAAY TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.

    Hows bout this:

    Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    (Note: Much cancer treatment will not work unless implemented early, but the waiting time just to see a specialist will likely be months when this plan is implemented. As you can see in this bill, the option of the health care bureaucrat is to deny treatment to those they deem not likely to be helped by it.)

    Oh, no, Nikki, there is nothing in this bill that should concern people...

    You see, we aren't dealing with just MONEY here (where bankers steal trillions and didn't arrouse public anger)...we are dealing with peoples' LIVES and that is why you are seeing the emotion NOW...

    Nikki, as a healthcare professional yourself I hope you consider the details of this bill and join the fight for those that can't fight for themselves.

  12. Can someone delete this off topic bullshit?

  13. I don't know how that judge can sleep at night because of the way he is doing Bro Hal. Hal has broke no laws.

  14. The health care info is a true assessment of obamacare.


    However, delete it! THis is about Hal the eater of cockmeat sandwiches.

  15. As Hal's lawyer said in the exclusive interview with NewsGuy, there WILL be lawsuits filed after his charges are dropped. Hal will soon be a very rich man. The longer he is tortured in prison the more money he will receive.


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  17. Hey Pedo, we know you aren't very smart but people who are much more versed in the law: Judges and Prosecutors have the opinion that Turner did break the law. Several times in fact. Besides the little bisexual midget is most likely enjoying himself, he's getting more sex than he's gotten in years. Now if Phyllis would just Keister him some coke he'd be as happy as a pig eating shit.

  18. the object HT is holding in the pic' on the NN 'blog post is NOT "a crack pipe" but a silencer/suppressor for a 22-clbr pistol/rifle...... actual pic' here!

    Nikki fck Nutz "photo-shopped" the pic' caption using the same font & colour.....ha ha ha....lying bitch!

    BTW: as for HT being "an FBI informant", we only have the MSM "accounts" as 'evidence' for that .....and.... since when have THOSE ZOG-bot clowns ever told the truth (except, perhaps, abt "the sport & the weather"!) ?

  19. Oh lookie Jimbo the Nimbuster clown speaks. Go play with yourself little boy. Leave talking to the grown ups, bitch. Should we need your opinion we'll beat it out of your worthless ass.

  20. Hal Turner, the law abiding citizen...what a joke. Here is the thing, suppose you heard about someone about to go on a shooting spree. Yes, I'd say you'd stand at moral crossroad for about 15 seconds and then go attempt to stop them. Good citizen. Unless you are Hal Turner. You encourage, demand and take credit for shooting sprees. You tip off the feds about one or two. RAT. That's an example of why no one should feel sorry for Hal Turner one bit.

    Turning against your friends and siding with the enemy makes you a rat. Encouraging your friends to commit crimes THEN turning on them makes you lower than a rat.

    There are a lot of impressionable people in the movement. Don't believe me? Look at the handful of people who refuse to believe Hal is a rat, for example. Those same people would have pulled the trigger for Hal Turner. Those same people would have planted a bomb for him, just add a little more motivation. Remember people on both sides worrying about Hal motivating the crazies? You said, "what crazies?" THOSE CRAZIES.

    On a contrasting note, I'd say that I'd have to agree with Nikki and Floyd on one thing these days. There is a lunatic fringe. Unfortunately for their ideological side, being average and pro-white is now the mainstream. Remember when some people in the movement said that Obama would "energize the right"? He killed the right wing by creating the white wing. EVERYTHING has changed now. This is what we wanted all along and now it's here. The summer of love is over. Here comes the winter of discontent.

  21. when "the law" is structured in favour of yr genocide & the genocide of yr it is today for white people, especially in the 'Kwa and Sth Afreaka.... then, every moral, philosophical & religious precept/tenet in Western history says that it is legitimate to ignore it and "take matters into yr own hands"

    the days of racially-aware white people being "law abiding" are over, over, OVER!

    this is wtf "law-abiding" under the psychopathic, genocidal "reign" of the ZOG beast gets you....

    *dis-abled white kids & family brutally butchered by rampaging mudz in Pensacola, FL*

    *psychopathic nig' butchers of Channon Christopher/Chris Newsome will probably be released!*

    we're in A RACE WAR to the death with niggaz & jewz....."laws" no longer apply!

    (!?.....HT is STILL locked up exactly?....pity he wasn't a rampaging nig' psycho' who just "blew away" a couple of young white kids....THEN, he'd be granted "bail", eh?!?)

  22. Jimbo is a fucking IdiotAugust 11, 2009 11:43 AM

    Put a sock on it you fuckin' idiot. You don't speak for white people, you little faggot.

  23. To the Anonymous with the Health Care Info - I love it! Thanks! Would you mind if I placed this information on the front page to create a new area for discussion of these points?

  24. No, not at all...this needs to be discussed.

  25. Eat my shit nikki!


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