Saturday, February 18, 2006

Nikki & Tony With Special Guest

Working with someone as dedicated and knowledgeable as Floyd Cochran has long been our pleasure, having the opportunity to actually meet him, see his presentation, and spend quality time together has been our blessing. Nicole Nichols and Tony Willow had the good fortune to do all of those things over the past few days as all three converged in Oklahoma and the end result is heard in this round-table discussion of three of the most committed anti-racists on the hate front today. They discuss everything from Mr. Cochran’s time at Aryan Nations to those miscreants making the news today, as well as some ideas and views on what’s ahead and what communities can do to confront the very real problem of racism in America.

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21 comments:

  1. Very intersting. I believe Mr. Cochran was one of the individuals featured in a documentary they use to run on ( I think) the Learning Channel, called Blood in the Face.
    I think Michael Moore was an interviewer on that one, but I will always remember that particular movie as the one where the neo-Nazi slaps himself in the kisser and then explains how, because he can blush (i.e. show "blood in the face") he is a true descendant of "Adam". It is kind of an unintentionally funny scene. He finishes his demonstration by referring to the interviewer, very heatedly as, "Mr. Man!"--sort of like Kathy Bates in that Misery movie...

    Most of the other Nazi's in that one were pretty obscure to me. I think the first documentary I saw on American Nazi's was probably a very old movie called The California Reich, and there were some pretty loony Hollywood Nazis in that one too.

    I am still downloading the audio, and am looking forward to listening.

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  2. You are correct, EB. Floyd has also been featured on the History Channel and is always called upon by the media as an authority on hate groups. We have "known" each other as far as the internet and the telephone for quite some time, but it was the first time I had actually met him in person. I am greatly impressed. His honest and open approach to all of this is to be admired.

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  3. Is Floyd a recovering alcoholic? Not to be insulting, he mentioned alcoholics in his discussion here so I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this.

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  4. Not to my knowledge, Matt. I think he was just making a generalization.

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  5. I tried once again to listen to the drabble. The lead-in and the commercials were plenty loud, but the show itself was so low that I gacve up listening to it about 5 minutes into it.

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  6. Well...Steve...we are working on better audio - however, I have listened on four different computers now, and I agree that the music is louder than the show - but have had no trouble adjusting the volume to make it audible. We'll get it right soon, I'm sure.

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  7. I would like to address Floyd’s comment: “I was a loser.”
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    I consider my parents and for that matter the ‘average Joe’ as ‘losers.’ Sure, my parents earn a lot of money but what impact do they really have? Who will remember them when they and I die?

    I want my life to matter in some area otherwise why live?

    From a young age I have always been obsessed with politics while my peers were obsessed with recess and ‘Tonka Trucks.’ I have studied the great leaders of our time that have brought immense change to this world (Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and Napoleon have been of great interest) and from their experiences (and others) I have begun to formulate a plan. A plan I am constantly tweaking to include recent events (9/11 for example).

    Logically I am aware that the probability of me succeeding is small but emotionally I can not allow myself to accept these odds.

    I constantly reassure myself when the enormity of my goals begins to register ‘emotionally’ that most of those revolutionaries I most admire experienced similar feelings of inadequacy and futility.

    This ambition is all that I am, Nikki. Will I succeed?

    Give it ten to twenty years, Nikki (after all I do have a plan that I have to stick to). Whether I succeed or not you will undoubtedly hear and see me on the news in the future, Nikki (And that goes for you EB as well).

    I will not accept a life of inconsequence. I can be a methodical individual and as of yet I have never failed at acquiring something I truly desired. Do not count me or the WN movement out yet, Nikki. History has to repeat itself some time…….

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  8. May I add that I believe the anti racist movement is an asset to the WN movement.

    As the saying goes: all publicity is good publicity.

    So keep up the good work, Nikki, Floyd, ROH, Willow, and possibly (I am not sure if he joined yet) EB.

    : D

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  9. I tried once again to listen to the drabble. The lead-in and the commercials were plenty loud, but the show itself was so low that I gacve up listening to it about 5 minutes into it.
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    The difference of the audio amplitudes between the commercials and the actual program is annoying but as of now the radio program is audible. They still have some technical issues to work out.

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  10. Stephan Shmidt said:
    "I consider my parents and for that matter the ‘average Joe’ as ‘losers.’ Sure, my parents earn a lot of money but what impact do they really have? Who will remember them when they and I die?"

    Everetts brevard replies:

    I am aghast at this latest post--Sir, if you really want so badly to be remembered after death, then becoming a WP is the LAST thing you want to do.

    Artists are remembered. Well, some of them at any rate. So are musicians, and novelists, some notable thinkers and religious leaders, a few outstanding politicians here and there, and some very eccentric folks. I mean, VERY eccentric...

    Nobody fawns over the legacy handed down by so many anonynymous neo-Nazis, KKK'ers, and hate mongers. You can lump them in with other marginal types like serial killers and famous bank robbers. They get some press here and there, end up in the microfiche at the local library, and in court records...That's pretty much it.

    When Horrible Hal finally gets himself killed by whatever fellow psychopath is monitoring his actions just below the radar screen of all of us, there may be a few news stories...no one will care. Many will rejoice. In a year, it would be as if he NEVER LIVED AT ALL.

    Ditto Vonnie, and our own beloved Bill "lying c-cksucker" White. Nobody remembers Tom Metzger, or the appearences he put in on national T.V. twenty years ago. For all that, go up to the average person walking the street and ask them who George Lincoln Rockwell, Joe Tomassi, Frank Collin, or any of the Grand Wizards of the KKK were, and they will look at you like you are from Mars.

    Nobody gives a shit about these freaks, man. Trust me.

    For someone who wants to "live on in the hearts and minds of millions", you are taking the very worst route possible to try and attain that outcome.

    Even famous criminals are usually, eventually, left out in the dust of bygone years--rediscovered only if some bright documentarian decides he can make a buck with a new book or film on an old case.

    Marginal types, do, occasionally, make a big impact--take Jack the Ripper, for instance. But their place in the hearts and minds of the common culture is usually marginal. After all, everybody is always curious about a freak...


    Do good, instead. It is a helluva lot more rewarding in the long run.

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  11. EB,

    I understand that the WN as of now is a relatively an anonymous fringe group (as of now ‘cult’ is a more accurate descriptor). You should also note that Christianity started off as a ‘cult’ but grew to the largest religion (in terms of adherents). Things that are small need not end small.

    I am an observer EB. I am particularly fond of history and am aware that the people who live ordinary lives never graced the pages of a history book. I do not want my life to be in vain, EB. I want to have an impact, a legacy. I have been obsessed with this notion since the age of 6 (roughly speaking).

    The biography of Hitler is a truly inspirational and motivational story if you think about it. A middle class youth of non-noble birth takes over a country through wit, guile, and ambition. In an age where a president is more determined by birth than aptitude (look at Bush) the story of a young ‘Shicklgruber’ truly resonates (so does the story of Lenin and to a lesser degree Stalin).

    This may be my ego talking but I believe that I may be able to lift the WN movement into the mainstream (the aforementioned ‘plan’). I am a student of history, EB, and if history has taught me anything is that it repeats itself.

    America is the old Rome and I believe that I can be the ‘Julius Caesar.’ Democracy, you see EB, cannot last forever. Corruption will eventually eat away the foundation and the system will collapse onto itself (Greece and Rome are examples). I believe America is reaching the end of its Democracy and I am planning to exploit this decline.

    Either way, EB, my worth is derived from my accomplishments. I have to try to live a life of importance no matter how futile it seems……

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  12. Oh, pish posh...If I were 6'7, seventeen, and had my whole life ahead of me, I'd be worried about various and sundry cheerleaders, not about becoming a "Nietzchean UBERMENSCH". You really should appreciate just what the hell you've got before you blow it...

    As for Ceaser, Hitler, Nero, Caligula, Napoleon, Ghengis Khan, Attila, ad infinitum, none of them ever fared very well in the end...

    All I can say is, Mr. Shmidt, I'm almost damn sure that somebody else gets to be the Antichrist, so unless you find a trio of sixes hidden up in your hair, you're probably shit out of luck.

    Nostradamus called him "MABUS", Make of that whatever you will, it doesn't strike me as being very close to "Stephan Shmidt".

    BTW, since you don't believe in eternity, why in the hell would you particularly care about how you are remembered after you die? Might as well just have all the fun you can while you're here, if it's a one-way trip. Correct?

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  13. I consider my parents and for that matter the ‘average Joe’ as ‘losers.’ Sure, my parents earn a lot of money but what impact do they really have? Who will remember them when they and I die?

    Stefan, your parents aren't "losers." Their impact is their legacy and that legacy is you. As for the "average Joe," they usually leave something behind. At any rate, the comments that Mr. Cochran made about "losers" go straight to the heart of being a "loser" while here on earth - of doing nothing positive and living a life that only brings a blackness of heart and great emotional burdens.

    I want my life to matter in some area otherwise why live?

    All life "matters," Stefan. Everyone is important. The path you choose determines how significant your life is, for certain. Choosing a path that is positive will have positive results. On the other hand, choosing a path that brings pain and angst to others can have nothing more than a bad ending. I'm a great believer in Karma - and it's a bitch.

    From a young age I have always been obsessed with politics while my peers were obsessed with recess and ‘Tonka Trucks.’ I have studied the great leaders of our time that have brought immense change to this world (Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and Napoleon have been of great interest) and from their experiences (and others) I have begun to formulate a plan. A plan I am constantly tweaking to include recent events (9/11 for example).

    I hope you also considered people like Ghandi in all of that studying you have done. There are many people who have come before us and who have demonstrated the path that leads to a successful and rewarding life - those you have mentioned, failed miserably.


    Logically I am aware that the probability of me succeeding is small but emotionally I can not allow myself to accept these odds.

    If you already realize your limited chances of success why would you not "tweak" that plan of yours in a fashion that would be more apt to predict success?

    I constantly reassure myself when the enormity of my goals begins to register ‘emotionally’ that most of those revolutionaries I most admire experienced similar feelings of inadequacy and futility.

    Stefan, all of that is well and good - but you must see that in the grand scheme of things your admiration is misplaced. What good is having a modicum of success but losing in the end. What good is putting a plan into action that will leave your memory reviled by people around the world?


    This ambition is all that I am, Nikki. Will I succeed?

    I don't know what you definition of "success" is Stefan. But, to attempt to further goals that can only result in the destruction of others, can't be good Karma.

    Give it ten to twenty years, Nikki (after all I do have a plan that I have to stick to). Whether I succeed or not you will undoubtedly hear and see me on the news in the future, Nikki (And that goes for you EB as well).

    When I see you on the news I hope and pray that it will be for the good things that you have brought to our world and our society.

    I will not accept a life of inconsequence. I can be a methodical individual and as of yet I have never failed at acquiring something I truly desired. Do not count me or the WN movement out yet, Nikki. History has to repeat itself some time…….

    Sorry to tell you Stefan - but that part of history is just that - history. It is never to be repeated. You are a very bright and articulate young man - but, you must know that even to make such an assertion is naive at best. This world will NEVER allow such a thing to happen again.

    Yes...I'll be here...and I'll be watching...and so will you reap what you sow.

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  14. Damn Cochran is a rum drinking lush always was always will be.

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  15. Their impact is their legacy and that legacy is you.
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    ROFL….

    They don’t even want their legacy to be me; a bastard child that who for better or for worse is the only reason they married in the first pace.

    Don’t worry, Nikki, they have a daughter as well.

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    All life "matters," Stefan. Everyone is important.
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    No. John Doe lives in anonymity and dies in anonymity and is nothing more than a replaceable ‘cog’ in a machine; a ‘cog’ that has little impact on the function of this machine to begin with.

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    The path you choose determines how significant your life is, for certain. Choosing a path that is positive will have positive results. On the other hand, choosing a path that brings pain and angst to others can have nothing more than a bad ending. I'm a great believer in Karma - and it's a bitch.
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    Yin-yang.

    There is no such thing as a ‘bad’ ending to a life of fulfillment.

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    I hope you also considered people like Ghandi in all of that studying you have done.
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    Ghandi never accomplished anything more than fame. India was ‘freed’ due the effects of WW2 on the British Empire (it weakened Britain significantly). Most of the colonies held by France and Britain were ‘freed’ in a short time span after WW2.

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    If you already realize your limited chances of success why would you not "tweak" that plan of yours in a fashion that would be more apt to predict success?
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    Circumstance, Nikki. One does not just succeed through diligent work and careful planning alone; more than a little luck is involved.

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    When I see you on the news I hope and pray that it will be for the good things that you have brought to our world and our society.
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    It will begin this way.

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    Sorry to tell you Stefan - but that part of history is just that - history. It is never to be repeated. You are a very bright and articulate young man - but, you must know that even to make such an assertion is naive at best. This world will NEVER allow such a thing to happen again.
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    History lives in cycles, Nikki. Only time will tell if this movement can be revived or not.

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    Yes...I'll be here...and I'll be watching...and so will you reap what you sow.
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    To reap something you have to sow something. I do not want my harvest to be nothing.

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  16. As for Ceaser, Hitler, Nero, Caligula, Napoleon, Ghengis Khan, Attila, ad infinitum, none of them ever fared very well in the end...
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    People have to die sometime, EB.

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    Nostradamus called him "MABUS", Make of that whatever you will, it doesn't strike me as being very close to "Stephan Shmidt".
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    Nostradamus was a French seer (well… he was Jewish in fact) that never predicted anything accurately to begin with (Hister is not Hitler; Nay, Pau, Loron are not synonymous with Napoleon).

    The anti-Christ is a vague biblical reference and the number ‘666’ is probably the numerical equivalent of Nero’s name in the Greek alphabet.

    They say Saddam Hussein is the ‘Mabus’ (‘Mabus’ mirrored is ‘Sudam’). This is all games though, EB.

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    BTW, since you don't believe in eternity, why in the hell would you particularly care about how you are remembered after you die? Might as well just have all the fun you can while you're here, if it's a one-way trip. Correct?
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    The problem is, EB, is that I cannot enjoy myself in this present state. Small things like partying, friendships, and relationships are insignificant to me and thus I only use for superficial amusement.

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  17. If I were 6'7, seventeen, and had my whole life ahead of me, I'd be worried about various and sundry cheerleaders,
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    ROFLMAO…..

    EB can you visualize me with a ‘cheerleader’? I doubt our personalities would be even remotely compatible.

    I had a girlfriend (last year) for a span of several months. She wanted me to give her attention; and that is something I do very poorly (now just imagine her as an attention ‘whore’, i.e. cheerleader).

    I don’t believe (other than my very first friend in elementary school) that I have ever maintained a friendship or relationship that lasted more than a few months (other than my previous example I believe my record to be 7 months).

    Generally speaking, I feel uncomfortable developing any emotional bond with another person; ergo I tend to break up the friendship or relationship after a couple of months.

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  18. stephan,

    I've been reading your posts for a while, and you strike me as pretty intelligent. Honestly, your posts today just sort of scare me.

    I've seen a lot of young guys in the WP movement who think that they're going to be the next great leader, the one that brings it into the mainstream, the guy who starts and wins the race war, etc. usually these are the guys who end up getting destroyed by the movement itself - either stabbed in the back by their supposed comrades or so disillusioned they commit suicide or drink/drug themselves to death.

    EB was right, the movement isn't a plce to make a name for yourself. Even those who are remembered within the movement are soon forgotten, and people won't recognize true leadership anyway. Everybody wants to be a fuhrer, and anyone who stands above this herd of mediocrity is a threat to that. Anyone with leadership potential will be brought down or trash-talked into they are discredited or give up, and the "spotlight" will be cast back on these poor, selfish losers like White, von Blevins, Linder, etc.

    You want to leave a lasting accomplishment, then create something. Maybe look into philosophy - take what you can salvage from this joke of a movement and turn it into a workable new worldview or political system, because the old models everyone clings to have failed and will continue to fail.

    But seriously, live a little, You'll never lead or create anything wihtout developing your personality, and that takes building self esteem and learning how to establish relationships with other people. Don't be one of those guys who looks back and realize you screwed up royally because you spent most of your "free "years trying to fit some stereotypical mold of a Nietzschian superman or "Aryan warrior", only to overlook basic social development.

    Live life a little, finish school, start a career, find a girlfriend. Try the "human experience" for a while, then at least you'll be able to relate to the common masses in some way when you start your plot to rule the world. [Gotta warn you though, the hubby & I are ahead of you on this front - over 30 years combined experience as WNS, & we got eichother.] ;)

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  19. I hope you are listening Stefan. :]

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  20. You want to leave a lasting accomplishment, then create something. Maybe look into philosophy - take what you can salvage from this joke of a movement and turn it into a workable new worldview or political system, because the old models everyone clings to have failed and will continue to fail.
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    Ah…. We think more like than you know.

    To turn this movement into a mainstream movement most of the existing groups have to be destroyed or disbanded. This has to be done for several reasons:

    1: unity (unifying the existing groups is almost impossible)

    2: new image (the existing stereotypes are harmful)

    3: centralized power (again, this refers back to unity)

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    Live life a little, finish school, start a career,
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    I plan to finish a degree in math and physics.

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    find a girlfriend. Try the "human experience" for a while, then at least you'll be able to relate to the common masses in some way when you start your plot to rule the world.
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    I have been ‘trust’ into this human experiment and have felt contempt for it long before I became a WN (admiring Hitler does not automatically make you into a WN).

    To observe this ‘experiment’ you have to maintain an adequate distance to see the ‘big’ picture.

    I have a lot of acquaintances but few friends. I guess this demonstrates that I am likable in ‘small’ doses. : )

    While I realize that my dream at this point is just that, a dream. I see no reason why I shouldn’t attempt at least to fulfill this dream. After all, parents usually strongly encourage their children to follow their ‘dreams.’

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    are ahead of you on this front - over 30 years combined experience as WNS, & we got eichother.
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    I hope you and your husband have a happy marriage.

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  21. I hope you are listening Stefan. :]
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    Nikki, I make donkeys look compliant. : )

    Either three things will happen (I seem to have a fixation on the number ‘three’ for some reason):

    I will accomplish my goals
    I will modify my goals
    I will destroy myself trying to accomplish my goals

    I am hardly naive, I am aware of my unhealthy emotional disposition.

    You don’t have to worry about me, Nikki. There is a point in everyone’s life where they have to decide if the charade that they are participating in is worth continuing. I have decided to postpone evaluating my status for another ten to twenty years.

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