Sunday, October 19, 2008

MILLIONAIRE NAZI - FALLEN?




Before I get into my thoughts and speculations about the arrest of Bill White, I think a little background and groundwork has to be laid - especially for those unfamiliar with White’s and my history.

On January 8, 2003, Matthew Fredrick Hale entered the Federal Building in Chicago. As the leader of the fastest growing neo-Nazi group in the United States, Hale traveled with a contingency of his White Berets – the security arm of the, then named, World Church of the Creator.

Matt was pumped and ready for his court date with the Honorable Judge Joan Lefkow. It was a complicated trade-mark case and one that Hale was not ready to lose. However, January 8th wasn’t a very lucky day for him as he lost more than the case – he lost his freedom.

Handcuffed and arrested Matthew Hale was booked into jail for soliciting the murder of none other than the Honorable Judge Joan Lefkow. He is now serving a forty year sentence.

For the next two years the internet racists were abuzz with speculation, innuendo, and incredulity as the process of trial and sentencing drug on. Wild accusations and hundreds of rumors were hurled right and left while behind the scenes the events unfolding were kept secret and unknown to the rank-and-file.

As a matter of fact, there are only a handful of people who really know what things were unfolding during that time and one thing for sure is, there is no loyalty among the racists.
As the federal government applied the pressure to make its case against Hale, those in the know were bailing, scurrying for cover, or simply rolling over. And there was a lot of rolling over.

It’s important to note that I, and Citizens Against Hate, had been focusing much of our attention on Matthew Hale for several years prior to his arrest. We reported on his activities and those of his members and conducted several interviews with Matt himself. Believing that Hale was one of the most dangerous of the neo-Nazi’s in America, it was our goal to keep very close tabs on him and his group.

Because of the attention we gave to Hale, it was not at all surprising that we became involved in the trial and events surrounding the testimony and the disposition.

While many of our sources for information remain confidential, suffice it to say that we were privy to many of the inner-workings and information largely reserved for “insiders.”

Hale had a large following by today’s standards. Many of those “followers,” however, displayed no real loyalties to the man or to the “movement” when the chips were down. Afraid for their own freedom, worried about their families or their jobs, they became a veritable wealthy source of information for the government. Not all were required to testify – as a matter of fact, only a fraction were called upon.

In the end, justice was served and the World Church of the Creator became the Creativity Movement and various factions thereof. None of these factions can even be considered as being a serious part of the movement today.

Given all of this, one would think that this page of the racist history book could be closed. But, things have a way of coming around full circle. Matt Hale sits in a maximum security cell surrounded by his legal appeals and prison guards, but there are others who bear watching. One of those people is Bill White.

William Alexander White doesn’t like it when I write about him. But I write about him anyway. Actually, he has been a primary focus of mine and Citizens Against Hate since the incarceration of Hale.

As with Matt, I consider White dangerous as well – not because of any physical threat that he poses to anyone but because he is a master manipulator and extreme narcissist. While White doesn’t have much in the way of a following, he has the ability to shape and mold the unsuspecting as well as the attraction for those equally as unstable as he.

During the Hale trial, Bill White attempted to insinuate himself into the proceedings through his writings and web site often speaking as if he had been in attendance – which he had not. In a back-and-forth with long-time Hale friend, Kathy Robertazzo regarding an audio tape where Hale could be heard saying, “…anybody who kills a Jew should not spend any time in jail,” Bill White made the following comment…

“I also agree, killing any of the hate Jews who are wrecking this society should not result in jail time.”

Within his writings, which are generally always peppered with the sputum of the insane, he has always been quite fond of trying to make himself appear omnipresent and much more important than he really is. The majority of people who read any of what he prints can sift through his narcissistic back-pats and realize quickly that he is quite demented. However, his irresponsible behaviors became much more than tiresome, they became detrimental to the well-being of innocent people.

In a frenzy over the testimony of Tony Evola, a government informant, during the Hale trial, Bill White published Evola’s home address and phone number – only it was for an Anthony Evola - a completely unrelated person to the informant. White’s actions resulted in an innocent family being harassed and terrorized and placed under police protection. White would later claim…

“After my company published Tony Evola's personal information, the FBI held a press conference. Did they denounce us by name? No -- they mentioned our headlines, and said that they were "maybe" trying to find a way to "legally" shut us down. Why did they hem and haw and hedge their words? Because they knew there was about shit they could do, but they wanted to sound tough for you dopes who persist in believing that the government has a duty to shut down all criticism of Jews, everywhere. Hale was a strawman, and the papers published his name everywhere; we are not strawmen, and the FBI fears to name us.”


In truth, the press conference came after the information that White published had been picked up by others and made the rounds on message boards noted to be frequented by the lunatic fringe of our society. Additionally, the information that he posted was absolutely erroneous and brought much grief to innocent people. However, in his egomaniacal fashion, he tried to seem important enough to cause the Federal Bureau of Investigation to call a press conference.



In truth, they mentioned no website by name. Yet in the news accounts that were on TV, the website shown to have the information available belonged to Hal Turner. This was just a real hard pill for Bill White to swallow. Not only did they not mention him or Overthrow - they showed a picture of a website other than his. Consequently, he felt compelled to do some damage control so that others would find him to be an important person in all of this.

Since they failed to mention the self-aggrandized Bill White and his website by name, it had become incumbent upon him to portray them as weak and impotent in an effort to cajole them into giving him more attention.

Affiliating himself with Hale afforded him an opportunity, as he perceived it, to boost his site ratings, thereby validating his effectiveness and worthiness in the movement. Yet, he could not allow Hale to appear more virile than he was. Therefore, he reduced him to a "strawman" and in the next breath, elevated himself to that of potency. Claiming that the FBI "fears" him because of his dominion, in his eyes, made him appear untouchable and all-important.

Perception is everything, right?

In his continued quest for recognition, Bill White would continue with the baiting of law-enforcement and others…

“LSN has considred releasing the names and addresses of the jury members, but has decided to defer that decision until the current climate of hate and hostility, stoked up by the Jewish press and violent members of the FBI, has passed.”

And so it continued. White, with little to no first-hand knowledge of the trial or the players used his website and his keyboard to attempt to catapult himself into the arena of the courtroom and public opinion seeking nothing more than attention.

Fabricating stories, insinuating himself into situations he believes will bring him notoriety, manipulating the gullible, and exploiting those who he can along the way has become a way of life for Bill White. His voracious appetite for attention is widely known and he has become a pariah in the hate movement. This week, however, he may have finally met his destiny – a fate blueprinted by himself and brought to fruition with his own hands.

In 2005, Judge Joan Lefkow arrived home to find her husband and mother brutally murdered in her basement. All eyes were once again focused on Matthew Hale who sat in a jail cell awaiting sentencing.

It’s important to state that prior to Hale’s arrest he had been embroiled in the aforementioned trademark suit with Judge Lefkow and he and his followers had seen fit to publish all of the personal information about the Judge on various websites and message boards.

Immediately after the murders, Hal Turner, a racist, internet talk-show host, posted a picture of the judge with the caption “GOTCHA” as well as the personal information on other federal judges he felt were deserving of “attention.”

Not to be outdone, Bill White wrote an article about the murders in which he stated…

“I don't feel bad that Judge Lefkow's family was murdered today. In fact, when I heard the story I laughed. "Good for them!" was my first thought.

“Everyone associated with the Matt Hale trial has deserved assassination for a long time. At the time, I believe I said that if I were Hale and I was being railroaded like this I would kill -- not the judge -- but the ADL officers involved and their witnesses.

“Yesterday, when the ADL officials and FBI agents and federal prosecutors and federal judges who are responsible for the persecution of the white race went to bed, they had no fear that they would ever be held accountable for any unreasonable or immoral ruling against a white activist. White activists were ridiculed. They were mocked. They were the kind of silly Jewish-television- show bad guy that anyone could kick around and know they could get away with it. For all the propaganda alleging white activists are "violent" "terrorist" or "dangerous", to the Jewish system white nationalists were nothing more than a bunch of fringe losers, not to be taken seriously.

“Tonight, as these same ADL officials and FBI agents and federal prosecutors and federal judges go to bed, they have to think that tomorrow they may wake up and find their families murdered…”

As it turned out, the person responsible for the murders of Judge Lefkow’s family was not believed to be part of the racist movement. Yet, the Hal Turner’s and Bill White’s of this world, ever the opportunists, sought to capitalize on the heinous crime.

For those who believe neo-Nazi’s and hate groups to be inconsequential in modern society, it should be pointed out that the actions and the crimes that are associated with such groups has often resulted in changing the system of jurisprudence that we all live under today.
The irresponsibility of those who published the personal information of judges on the internet resulted in a push for limitations being placed upon the very freedoms that these groups cloak themselves in. As an outgrowth of their actions and the murder of these two innocent people, a new law was passed outlawing any such publications in the future.

Now, in a sane society of sane people, it would be sane to believe that all of this would have put an end to the outlandish acts of Bill White. It would be sensible to assume that White would be more responsible in the future. But, the world of Bill White is not sane, rational, or sensible. His insatiable need for recognition continued to spiral out of control.

In 2007, Bill White was presented with a national incident that gave rise to what might be his last hurrah. The case of the Jena 6 brought civil rights groups and leaders into the national forefront as they marched through the streets of Jena, Louisiana in protest of unequal treatment for six black teens and the racist actions of city officials.

White saw this as the ultimate opportunity for him to garner national attention – and he got busy. Railing against the Reverand Al Sharpton and others, Bill White called for the lynching of what had been dubbed the Jena 6, located and published the addresses and phone numbers of the families of the six youths, as well as that of the Sharpton’s.

White had also done the same thing with Pulitzer Prize winner, Leonard Pitts, earlier in the year because of an exception that the racists took with an article that he had published – but the Jena case created an even bigger stir – and Bill White wanted big.

But, even that eventually died down. It seemed that no matter how hard he tried, no matter what he did, he was not getting precisely what he wanted. Even his members in his American National Socialist Worker’s Party were becoming irreverent and disrespectful. He wanted a bigger issue.

The hallmark of a depraved individual is often found in the disdain that he has for those closest to him. Over the years, Bill has been notorious for, not just his lashing out at minorities, but for his abuse of others in the movement. Much of this comes from his narcissistic personality and his perception that no one is as good or as smart as he is.

He has consistently surrounded himself with others who are considered the outcasts of the racist front – this, I believe is purposeful on the part of White. Much as the teen-aged girl who has little confidence in herself often befriends only those who are less attractive in an effort to feel superior, White adopts those who are less intelligent, easily duped, and more malleable. Then he discards them.

He doesn’t just throw them away, however. He uses them as his emotional punching bags. He castigates them, he publicly berates and belittles them, and he deals heavy blows of humiliation. This is an outcropping of his own personal dilemma – his own insecurities – his own need for self-validation.

As members of his group were bailing out and he was banished from one of the largest forums on the net, Bill was not doing well. At one point this Spring, he finally admitted to being seriously depressed and made the following statements…

“Combined with this dead feeling I realized the other day that I have, almost without realizing it, though that may seem a bit strange, developed a very intricate plot for the murder of about a score of Roanoke City’s Negro nuisances and their annoying counterparts at the Roanoke Times. I know everything about these assholes – where they live, who they live with, what they look like, where they go, when they go there. I estimate I could probably, in the course of a few hours, kill fifteen out of the twenty easy if I picked the right day and time, and still lived long enough to travel the country and begin picking off the ridiculous “independent journalists” that staff the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report. I have a list of those as well. What’s amazing is that I’ve been doing this almost without paying attention to it, until I started thinking about things the other day.
“The other day I read something, as it happened, about post traumatic stress disorder. It was completely random, but something struck me when it mentioned dissociation. I was a psych major with biological and clinical foci at University of Maryland; I studied stuff like this. I realized that dissociate was an extremely good term for what I was doing. The other day I drew a gun and was ready to kill one of my tenants, based mostly on behavior from the tenant that while violent and disruptive, would usually have rolled off my back. As I’ve thought about things the past few days, I’ve realized that I’ve been avoiding confrontations solely to avoid killing people. As my list of people to kill has grown, it has become rather paralyzing.”

A couple of months ago, Bill announced that he intended to publish and distribute a “mini-magazine,” if the funds could be raised. He baited other racists with a proposed cover that depicted presidential candidate Barack Obama speaking to a large crowd. The picture contained a target on Obama’s head and a caption of “Kill This Nigger.” Needless to say, a chill was sent up and down the spine of most readers.

Where is the proverbial line, we asked? Had Bill White finally stepped over that line? Maybe.

In the midst of all of this it was announced that Matt Hale had filed an appeal to reduce his sentence. Claiming that his counsel was lacking and that a key juror had ties to Northwestern University where a former member of his Church had committed a shooting and that the juror had an African-American boyfriend and should have been excluded, Hale filed for a reduction in his 40 year sentence.

Bill White saw another opportunity. He dug up the name and personal information of the juror and published it on his website. The juror then began to receive phone calls and text messages of a threatening nature. At least one of those calls was placed by Bill White using his wife’s cell phone.

On Friday, October 17th, 2008, Bill White was arrested. The initial indictment lists the intimidation of said juror and cites many of the incidents mentioned here. It should also be noted that charges and evidence brought before a grand jury are generally just enough to achieve an indictment and rarely indicates everything in the government’s case.

Bill was denied bail this morning pending a hearing on Wednesday, October 22nd. Reactions to this turn of events has been cautious among the anti-racist crowd. Within the White Nationalist circle, however, the news has been met with cheers, I-told-you-so’s, and pessimism mixed in with a few, very few, well-wishes.

Bill saw the handwriting on the wall last week when his computers were seized and word came down that some of his previous supporters had been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury. With lot’s of finger-pointing and name calling he named those he believed to be the “rats” and the “snitches” and a couple who he threw in just for good measure.

Will the government be able to bring an iron-clad case against Bill
White? I guess we will just have to wait and see. For now, at any rate, we can only say for certain that the man once known as the “Millionaire Nazi” may not be so rich after all. Money definitely doesn’t buy everything – and falling off of a self-made pedestal is really a hard fall.

We’ll keep you updated as all of this moves forward.

TO THE ARREST WARRANT


For a plethora of background information on Bill White...

BILL WHITE - A HISTORY PART I

BILL WHITE - A HISTORY PART II - ANARCHY BILL

BILL WHITE - A HISTORY PART III - KAISER BILL

169 comments:

  1. Nikki, your link doesn't work. Is this the same one the Roanoke Times edited out or will this have the entire contents in it? I'm just curious if Bill was living in a rental property instead of one that he owned.

    Bill looks good in Green and white stripped suit.

    I bet his parents were there ready to write out a check to bail him out along with hiring his new attorney, Mr Cleaveland.

    I bet also Bill White is fully cooperating with law enforcement including giving the names and addresses of Michael Burks and Phillip Anderson. He might even name Michael Blevins, just enough so they do a search warrant at Blevins house as a revenge factor.

    Hopefully Bill's parents, Cathy & William will learn their lesson with Billy and cut him off finally.

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  2. And one more thing. I do think if Bill is released that he will attempt to escape into Mexico. Bill has a history of FTA, even in a case where his Mom posted bail.

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  3. Harry the link works - but here is another one - Bill

    I kinda think stripes are a good thing for Bill.

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  4. Bill White is a 'millionaire' on paper. His net worth is based on property values, etc.. It's not cash in the bank. He recently filed for personal bankruptcy, so I doubt he has much ready cash for paying lawyers.

    who is going to collect the rent from tenants, do the maintenance work to keep the buildings up to code, deal with lenders, do payables, etc..

    Major losses on his rental real-estate holdings while this plays out in the legal system.

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  5. only in the 'Kwa could some-one be "buckled" on such a ludicrous 'charge' as "threatning a federal juror" over five years after a trial has finished!

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  6. His dellusions of godhood won't save him from the federal prosecutors. Bill's goose is cooked...

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  7. Look White I found on Rams www.zogsnightmare.com website:

    Egotistical, narcissic Bill White once thought of himself as a god. A god with an insatiable need for recognition and acceptance that often spirals out of control and then he crashes and burns...

    Bill is quite mad and whatever bit of sanity he had left will soon be completely gone.

    White has a history of committed the most disgusting acts of dishonor. From non-stop lying to proclaiming himself god to stabbing every group he ever joined in the back, Bill White is trash and those who follow him are trash.

    His voracious appetite for attention is widely known and he and his followers have reached pariah status in the White Nationalist movement. The ANSWPP are considered by literally every other WN organization to be the bottom of the barrel, the worst of the white race.

    You know you have real problems when you start believing your own lies.

    It would have been simply wonderful if hardcore members in our movement handled the Bill White problem in house. Bill was certainly easy to find, but nobody stepped up to the plate to do what was needed. This must be the first time the FEDS did an arrest within the movement, that actually benefits the movement.

    ZOG is no friend to the white race. Our zionist Occupied Government has committed horrific crimes against our blood. ZOG has orchestrated the genocidal destruction of white Americans and their replacement with a brown-skinned people that are less intelligent and much easier to control. The crimes the US government has perpetrated against our race would take hundreds of thousands of pages to fully document. The American government is severely corrupt, ran by crooks and for the benefit of crooks.

    But ZOG did the racialist movement a great service by putting Bill White out of our misery.

    Thank you FBI!

    The time is coming, when we should forget about the Asswipes and Bill White. As long as they don't have Bill running the group it will die. Bill has no 2nd in command, Drake and Burks will probably end up in charge but they are both men of strictly limited capabilities.

    Right now however, isn't the time to forget about these freaks, since he trial hasn't even started! Bill White is a slippery snake and could somehow manage to squeeze out of this one. Hopefully all those shitskin Nigbama supporters in the Chicago jury will convict Bill whether he is guilty or not. Hopefully nigger racism, will put Bill White away for decades. That's one thing the white man can always rely on being constant: shitskin racism!

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  8. Guess who's going to Chicago ? Looks like someone from CAH is going to being testifing as an expert for the government's case against Bill White.

    What Goes Around Comes Around - and it's going to come down hard on Billy - that I can assure you.

    I have been silent the last few weeks - After I got wind that something was in the air concerning Bill White.

    Well has been a good year - Hal was exposed as a informant - Bill White arrested - yes in deed has been a good yr.

    Nikki - who do we focus on now ?

    Floyd

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  9. This is a victory for Anti's and WN's alike. This kook is a real piece of garbage. I've been waiting for something like this for years now.

    What is completely ridiculous is how they are rallying together for him on VNNForum. These same people, most of whom have been biten by White, now are trying to say that he is some Martyr! What a joke!

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  10. If you are someone who shares any "victory" with the feds or antis, you are not a white nationalist. Thats a universal fact.

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  11. Floyd, what proof do you have that Hal Turner is an imformant? It's "state and restate the obvious" week here at Nikki's Nest. Please post proof so I can ignore it and ask you for proof again.

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  12. Fuck him good Floyd. We all know your a piece of shit but Bill makes you look respectable...

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  13. The kosher kaiser burns in flames. Now that is what I call a sweet, SWEET victory for everyone!

    Images of the Hindenburg with an ANSWP logo comes to mind. LOL!

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  14. ANuSWipe is doing just fine. I'm putting Chris in charge while I am in jail....... What Chris rejoined the NSM? %^&$# damnit

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  15. Okay...okay - you guys are just having too much fun here! Remember - it ain't over till it's over.

    As I hear it, and this is just rumor from a good source, the feds have lot more on Bill and new charges will be added. It seems that some of those he wronged in the past just can't wait to tell their story.

    Again...just rumors. But, ya know...nothing is for sure yet. I'm curious to see what will happen on Wednesday. If he is denied bail, I'll feel better about the case.

    Floyd - I have my eye on a couple of people - we'll talk soon.

    Sarah - I don't think Jim Ramm likes Bill too much these days.

    I like that visual of the Hindenburg!

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  16. More people are coming forward to sodomize Bildo? More charges? HA HA HA! I hope they are long and black!

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  17. What are you guys going to do if Bill White actually beats the rap on this?

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  18. How come Bill White is a "self-made millionaire" yet Burkes and Drake is passing the hat around for him and the "destitute" wife?

    I guess scammers will always be scammers--right up to the end.

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  19. That's a fair question. As for me, should Bill come out of this unscathed, I will first hope that he has learned something from the experience and that he tries to put his efforts into something more constructive. That's a pretty flimsy hope, I know.

    Should he not do that, then I will continue to dog his actions just as I have been.

    Should this go all the way through a trial and he be found innocent, I worry about the ramifications that might follow and I hope that the federal government has a contingency plan.

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  20. As someone else said - his "millions" are all on paper and tied up in bankruptcy right now. But, I gotta say, ANYONE who sends money to Bill or Meghan has been taken for a ride. How many times are the racists going to be taken in by this charlatan?

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  21. Come on. Women and children have always been fair targets to creaps like Mike Blevins and Jim Ramm. Bill has food and a place to stay right now. Megan and the baby aren't so lucky. Thanks to the informants and federal government, they have have no money. Don't let Ramm or Blevins try to stop anyone from helping out Bill's family.

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  22. The baby - I worry about the baby. If there is actual proof that there is NO money and the baby may suffer, then I would be supportive of anything that would help them. However...Meghan White has a job, unlike many other people in this country. And...Bill White has a mother and father who have been there in the past and will be there again.

    Bill White is, after all, the millionaire Nazi who has shit all over to many people to count. Now those same people want to contribute to his defense fund. What the hell is wrong with these nuts?

    This is a man who boasted how he could buy and sell people - how he had built an empire. He did this while outing others in the movement, generally humiliating those he didn't like, and exploiting and using friendships. Now these people are going to send their money to him?

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  23. Nobody is sending Bill White money. People are sending money to his wife and baby. Do you honestly think she still has a job after this? The Zogsnightmare pair have beat on white families enough. A lot of people who don't even care one bit for Bill have sworn them off.

    They're latest kick is that they are white nationalists who side with antis and the feds. Get ready for them to deny they ever said or did any of this in a week or two.

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  24. So...where are Bill's mom and dad in all of this?

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  25. And just how have Jim Ramm and Mike Blevins "beat on white families?"

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  26. They went after Nick Chappel and his family. Von ratted out Chris Drake's employment info. Jim had it up on his forum but took it down. Both are trying in vain to encourage people not to send money to Megan. Jim has repeatedly gone after Megan for years. Von went after Chris Drake's wife a while back making several different accusations. Jim also posted info on Bill's mother.

    Don't fall for Von's sweet and compasionate act, Nikki. He's a con artist who preys on women. Let me ask you a question, when Von was going around screaming that someone was trying to kill him or that someone might try to hurt him for being a rat, did you ever once hear him mention anything along the lines of being concerned for the safety of his wife or extended family? That should sum up a lot for you. I know he is terrible for white nationalism so a friend to you, but you can't say he is a good person by a stretch.

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  27. Again, for about the 88th time, does Chris have any proof of what is being alleged here?


    In mafia movies and real-movement drama has proven to me the biggest creeps and biggest fucking rats are the ones that accuse others of what they themselves are actually doing.

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  28. I have to agree. Show us some links or go away, chris.

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  29. Blevins is a destroyer of white families? What about those Christmas gifts and Easter gifts sent to those children?

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  30. How, exactly, did they "go after Nick Chappel and his family?" How has Jim gone "after Megan for years" or Von "go after Chris Drake's wife?" This all sounds like a soap opera - oh well, what else is new.

    I'm not falling for anything. Both Mike Blevins and Matthew Ramsey have been in my sights for years. All I am trying to get at is that you guys make accusations about each other without presenting a shred of evidence or any specifics.

    Now, I have to say this...when everything went down between the ANSWP and Blevins, you guys absolutely and relentlessy decimated Michael Blevins. It was so brutal that even those who were against Blevins started to feel bad for him and thought you had gone too far.

    Now, as soon as Bill realized he was in trouble, the fingers started pointing and you guys started calling people out - and, of course, Blevins was top of the list. Yet you have provided zero evidence that any of the people you and Bill White named turned "rat" or "snitch."

    Now this...they go after women. They beat up on white families. Proof? Nada.

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  31. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqlCG5fQzMI

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  32. Also - I have no sympathy for Meghan White. She has been complicit in a lot of things with Bill, as well. It's the baby that concerns me. She didn't have any say in all of this.

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  33. Again, Mike Blevins ratted on Bill White to the feds about foreign bank accounts. Only Mike knew about these accounts and in fact, Mike helped set one of them up. Von even admitted to this on Zogsnightmare and later deleted the post. This led to the IRS audit.

    Mike Blevins also stated to federal authorities that people were trying to get him killed/kill him. He repeated this frantic fear on VNN. Mike Blevins then ratted out Chris Drake's employment info to the antis. He also tried to convince the feds of a "paramilitary training camp" Chris Drake had set up somewhere in Georgia. The feds looked and found nothing. Hal Turner has also named Von as a whitness in the upcoming trial of Bill White. We'll just wait and see on that one.

    Von has ratted on many people in the movement. It is his nature. I'm sure he will be emailing Nikki to get this statement pulled as well. You know, because Von hates the anti racist becaue you know, he's a white nationalist and all.

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  34. "Again, Mike Blevins ratted on Bill White to the feds about foreign bank accounts. Only Mike knew about these accounts and in fact, Mike helped set one of them up. Von even admitted to this on Zogsnightmare and later deleted the post. This led to the IRS audit."

    Proof that he "ratted?" And if this is true, then Meghan and the baby should be just fine, right?

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  35. "Mike Blevins also stated to federal authorities that people were trying to get him killed/kill him. He repeated this frantic fear on VNN. Mike Blevins then ratted out Chris Drake's employment info to the antis. He also tried to convince the feds of a "paramilitary training camp" Chris Drake had set up somewhere in Georgia. The feds looked and found nothing. Hal Turner has also named Von as a whitness in the upcoming trial of Bill White. We'll just wait and see on that one."

    Proof that he did this? Just because you say so doesn't mean he did it. And, sorry, but I didn't see Von mentioned in Hal's report - maybe I missed something.

    How do you KNOW it was Blevins who sicced the feds on Chris?

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  36. "Von has ratted on many people in the movement. It is his nature. I'm sure he will be emailing Nikki to get this statement pulled as well. You know, because Von hates the anti racist becaue you know, he's a white nationalist and all."

    Please...please...please - PROVE THIS ACCUATION.

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  37. Nikki, Mike has said a lot of things you will never hear. That is ALL that can't be proven. While most everything that was said about Mike was done in public, Mike carefully played the victim to you and did most of his mudslinging behind a mask. He immediaty accused me of being a child molester with an illigitimate child. He then claimed my child was conceived out of wedlock. He went on a phone campaign against me. He enlisted Jim Ramm, whom I had no problem with before, to do a lot of his dirty work (that sounds familiar, Jim). When he got mad at Bill one of the first things he declared was that he was going to see Bill White in prison if it was the last thing he did. I know you think he is dumb as a brick but he's not, not when it comes to manipulation. Look at the story Mike's life: its nothing but manipulating and using people.

    Jim had Nick and his wife's picture on the front page of his site for days, urging people to call the chapel where they were to be married as well as follow the address and crash their wedding. Nick's wife became distraught and had miscarriage a day later. Was it his fault?

    Jim has set up COUNTLESS sites and targeted Megan repeatedly. Her employment info has been out there too. Mike did the same thing to me, knowing damn well that I have a baby coming any day now. He laughed at that fact saying it would make the whole thing worse on me and my wife.

    Jim is fairly straight foward and easy to figure out but don't be fooled by Mike. I have listened to countless sob stories from him and watched him rat out people the very next day. He ratted on Jim to Jeff Schoep and then asked me to beat Jim to a pulp for being upset about it!

    You are clearly on the other side though and I wouldn't expect you to wish away Vonbluvens from white nationalism.

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  38. "Proof that he did this? Just because you say so doesn't mean he did it. And, sorry, but I didn't see Von mentioned in Hal's report - maybe I missed something.

    How do you KNOW it was Blevins who sicced the feds on Chris?"


    I just checked. The ENTIRE thread about the foreign bank accounts is gone now from the zogsnightmare forum. First Von deleted his comments on it, then someone deleted the entire thread. That says a lot in and of itself.

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  39. If memory serves didn't Chris Drake volunteer to give you information on Vonbluvens and doc a few years back?

    I could have sworn I saw the actual email posted here somewhere.

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  40. Please...please...please - PROVE THIS ACCUATION.

    There is even a Vonbluvens snitch list going around. He started ratting back when he was with NIM. He ratted on a guy named George Hutchins and got him fired from a teaching job. You know good and well it was him who posted my info. He ratted on Jim Ramm to Jeff Scheop in PUBLIC. He told me he was going to send Bill White to prison. He ratted to the feds about the bank accounts. Justin Boyer named Von as one of the people feeding the feds info. Mike tried to destroy my marriage several times. Need I go on? Most of this he did in plain view of everyone! Hell, look at his relationship to this site!

    Nikki, pretend you are me. Just for a minute.

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  41. Yes Von, I emailed Nikki as you told me to so your first ANU attempt would get some attention, which is all the fuck you've ever wanted anyway. Thanks for paying back my efforts to do you a favor. I hope Jim Ramm is taking notes.

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  42. Nikki, Mike has said a lot of things you will never hear. That is ALL that can't be proven. While most everything that was said about Mike was done in public, Mike carefully played the victim to you and did most of his mudslinging behind a mask. He immediaty accused me of being a child molester with an illigitimate child. He then claimed my child was conceived out of wedlock. He went on a phone campaign against me. He enlisted Jim Ramm, whom I had no problem with before, to do a lot of his dirty work (that sounds familiar, Jim). When he got mad at Bill one of the first things he declared was that he was going to see Bill White in prison if it was the last thing he did. I know you think he is dumb as a brick but he's not, not when it comes to manipulation. Look at the story Mike's life: its nothing but manipulating and using people.

    Jim had Nick and his wife's picture on the front page of his site for days, urging people to call the chapel where they were to be married as well as follow the address and crash their wedding. Nick's wife became distraught and had miscarriage a day later. Was it his fault?

    Jim has set up COUNTLESS sites and targeted Megan repeatedly. Her employment info has been out there too. Mike did the same thing to me, knowing damn well that I have a baby coming any day now. He laughed at that fact saying it would make the whole thing worse on me and my wife.

    Jim is fairly straight foward and easy to figure out but don't be fooled by Mike. I have listened to countless sob stories from him and watched him rat out people the very next day. He ratted on Jim to Jeff Schoep and then asked me to beat Jim to a pulp for being upset about it!

    You are clearly on the other side though and I wouldn't expect you to wish away Vonbluvens from white nationalism.

    None of what you have written here can be proven. You can attribute anonymous posts to blevins all you want but that doesn't constitute proof.

    Again, most people are not going to take your word for it.

    You haven't proven any of this but the most ridiculous charge is when you accuse blevins of working with the Feds and saying things like "The feds payed for his car". What if you are wrong? Do you care about his family? What have YOU done behind the scenes while accusing blevins of being a rat? You have a very strange obsession with blevins and it really isn't healthy.

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  43. You are so full of shit drake I don't even know where to begin.

    You were originally drafted into the asswipes by Bildo. You were teriffied that if you didn't side with Bill he would inform your employer of your racial beliefs.

    It was your own stupid fault, you were dumb enough to tell Bill the car dealership you worked at.

    Terrified of unemployment, you got down on your knees to lick the boot of one of the most dishonest, backstabbing fucks that has ever had anything to do with the WN movement. Instead of standing up to Bill, you decided to walk with the darkside and now must face the music.

    Your latest internet bitching is a attempt to fill in for liar Bill with your own lies...

    Case in point, First you say that Ramm is working with the Nigger at OPP...

    However, Ramm just designed a massive anti-nigger website called www.shitskin.com dedicated to shitskin obama. Matthew Ramsey is one of the largest promoters of Neo-Nazi material and racial humor on the internet. Unlike Bill, he doesn't ask for donations or even sells anything. Nor does he run a group to gather personal information on people, unlike backstabber Bill.

    You lies, like all of Bills are transparent.

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  44. Chris, just give it up, man.

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  45. Why are WN presenting their case of ratting on an anti-racist site?

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  46. DRAKE YOU ARE A BACK STABBING TRAITOR. YOUR JUST FULL OF FUCKING LIES JUST LIKE YOUR BUSTED BOY TOY BILL WHITE.

    I COULD SPEND MY TIME MAKING UP MASSIVE LIES ABOUT YOU BUT WHAT'S THE POINT? I WON'T LOWER MYSELF TO YOUR LEVEL!

    LOOK FUCKHEAD, REPEATING BILL WHITES LIES WON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOUR GREAT HERO IS GOING AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. BILL HAS ALREADY CALLED ME EVERYTHING FROM A METH DEALER TO A FAGGOT AND FRANKLY, YOUR CAN'T IMPROVE ON HIS FALSEHOODS.

    BILL IS A FIRST CLASS LIAR AND YOU ARE SECOND RATE.

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  47. "sarah samuel" on this thread is probably you-know-who - but it is interesting to see what he posted on his site about Bill.

    I wonder what Boyer is up to during all this.

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  48. I was just going to ask about Boyer - he may be in protective custody.

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  49. What's not true, Jim?

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  50. Jedi Drake your master the emperor has passed into the darkside of the farce. The power of your lies will not sustain you, you have no hope.

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  51. I suspect that if Bill is release on bail paid by his parents, there will conditions. I'm sure that two of them will be no internet access and no white supremacist contacts.

    Bill White has a history of skipping bail, in Maryland on two occasions but they always got him back. He later plead guilty to two accounts of assault & battery on a police officer.

    Wouldn't surprise me at all if Bill wouldn't flee to Mexico if they aren't watching him closely.

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  52. Oh, and everytime Bill had to post bail in Maryland, his mother, Catherine White was always his bailbondsman. I'm sure she'll be doing it again.

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  53. Latest from Blevins at zogsnightmare--

    Not a dime for the "self-made millionaire"



    Bill White is no Chester Doles

    I noticed the other day that the A.N.S.W.P. is clamoring for donations to be sent to Bill White on VNNF (the same forum that allows their members to call me a rat without the opportunity to defend myself). The same Bill White that actively set about to destroy the movement as a whole. Remember what he did to Marc Moran or more recently with the Ron Paul campaign? The list of people Bill has screwed is a long one.

    It is very apparent from the complaint against him that he cannot blame anyone but himself for his situation. He is no martyr and shouldn’t be compared to true patriots like Chester Doles.

    It is well known that Bill White claimed on many occasions that he is a self-made millionaire. Not only is Bill a millionaire, but White comes from a very wealthy family in Maryland. He truly can buy most of us many times over.

    Knowing all of this, why would anyone be stupid enough as to send this guy any of their hard earned money? Why would you hand over your wages to a guy that once claimed he wasn't part of the movement and his job was to destroy other WN groups in order to extract the "gold".

    This man is neither deserving of your pity OR your money.

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  54. If White gets bail I will be greatly surprised.

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  55. "Christopher Drake points out that not only is he NOT Bill White's second-in-command within the ANSWP, but is also specifically excluding himself in advance from consideration should circumstances warrant the replacement of Bill White as its Commander."

    What? He is in fact the second, but doesn't want to do his duty. So much for that code of bravery of his.

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  56. Code of Bravery, huh? I'm doing one hell of a lot more than is expected of me. That's not being part of the ANSWP, thats being part of the white community. That's being a neighbor. I was NEVER named as second in command. Gary, Burkes, Neal, all of those guys have been in a lot longer than I have. I have told Bill plenty of times that I'm a good NCO, not an officer. Wasn't it Jim who said today that I was a man of limited abilities? See, I guess so. Leadership is something I WILL do if needs be but don't like to do. Know what I like to do? Know what I do best? Who knows maybe you'll just find out!

    :)
    Hugs!

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  57. Oh, Chrissy, you aren't trying to convey a not-so-veiled threat, are you?

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  58. What man? I said "hugs"! Tell the feds anyway though. Why leave anything out?

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  59. Chris is a bully to be sure, but it is surprising he hasn't cut n' run from the asswipes yet.

    Give it time.

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  60. Chris, I honestly believe you have mental illness.

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  61. Know any good doctors I could go see, Von? Who would you recommend?

    And wait who is a bully? Who had a 19 year old kid's wedding advertised on their front page? Who is campaigning to keep donations from a wife and child? I'm trying to put my finger on it now.

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  62. Oaky - this is where I stand on all of this he-said/he did bullshit.

    Bill White has been arrested and will probably go to trial. The finger-pointing and accusations being hurled between those in movement has reached a fever-pitch, much of it playing out right here on this blog.

    While I and others have been attempting to get at the truth and seeking proof of certain allegations, one thing that is becoming quite obvious is that lies, distortions, and fabrications are not limited to Bill White.

    White Nationalism, neo-Nazism, white supremacy, etc. has long been a magnet for misfits and miscreants. The late Dr. William Luther Pierce, founder of the racist National Alliance, himself ridiculed the movement for its acceptance of what he termed "freaks, geeks, and weirdoes."

    Over the last few years the number of these ill-bred, degenerate, and sometimes psychotic individuals within the rank-and-file or the racist movement seems to have increased threefold. The reason for that, in my opinion, lies in the faulty premise of National Socialism in general and in the ever-present need for those in the movement to prove the validity of that premise through quantity rather than quality.

    As the name-calling and rumors haven’t stopped, and the allegations are becoming more and more venomous, I feel the need to caution all involved that these kinds of things have a way of getting out of hand. Regardless of how I feel about the views of many of the people involved, I do not wish to see anyone harmed.

    It is important for all of you who are throwing punches at Blevins to remember that he is NOT a White Nationalist or a neo-Nazi. He is playing a very dangerous game.

    Sorry Mike - but you're swimming in a pool of sharks and you can't even see it.

    It's also important to remember that there is much truth in what Mike wrote - Bill White has done more harm to your "movement" than any single individual in history.

    For all of you who are crying about how he was a "victim of Zog" and how he "went down for the cause," you are delusional and proving what I have been telling you for years. You are too damned "needy" for your own good.

    This man used the "movement" for his own personal self-aggrandizement and feeling of superiority. He hurt a lot of people along the way. Yes...we (anti-racists) loved it. But for you all to now try to make him out to be some kind of hero is just untenable.

    As to his child. I'll tell you what I will do. If Bill White is held without bail and his family doesn't step in, and someone lets me know that his little girl is in need of clothing, food, formula, whatever - I will personally take up a collection and send the needed supplies to Roanoke. No child should have to suffer because of something like this. I will not send money that could be used on other things - but I will assist in that way and encourage others to do the same. We've done it before and won't mind doing it again.

    Ya know, sometimes it pays off to take a step back from a situation and take stock of your own humanity. Chris - being a good neighbor isn't reserved for just the white community. Actually, it has no reservations. People really can and do work together - even anti-racists and white nationalists. Sometimes there are things that happen in life that just smack us right upside the head and we realize that everything else is meaningless.

    Bill White sits in jail, not because of anything Michael Blevins, et.al. said or didn't say to the feds - he sits there because of his own stupidity and need for attention.

    Meanwhile there are those who insist on acting like schoolyard bullies and thugs. Over what? Some buffoon who took you all for fools? Some wannabe Nazi who got himself jammed because of his own ego?

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  63. Actually I am starting to like it in here. My muscle bound cellmate, Tyrone, is very enjoyable. He has taken me under his wing and has taught me how wrong I was in my racist ways. He also protects me out on the yard as long as I respond to "cookie" and hold his hanging out right pants pocket.

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  64. I have a feeling that Justin Boyer is going to play a mayor role in bringing down BW.

    The guy is clearly mentally retarded and willing to do whatever they want.

    Bottom line: don't get involved with retards like Justin. It will bite you in the ass...

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  65. Isn't it ironic how all of you hate (or love to hate) the Commander always claim that the Commander doesn't verify his information prior to posting it. How strange that it is he was arrested, partially, for doing exactly that: verifying his facts. Prior to publishing the Jew-ors details he called him up to verify it first.

    So, Nikki, schwartz, Von, time to insert foot into mouth! His own indictment PROVES the Commander verifies his information first.

    And another Nikki like, which needs to be put to rest, is that the Commander doesn't have many followers. Sure, he might not (yet) have as many as Hal had, but he has slightly more than 1,000 (more than any other WN movement).

    And those of you who think that the ANSWP will collapse like the WCOC did are assuming that the Commander will be put away for a long time. That is incorrect. It most likely will not even make it to trial, and even if it does, he will be found NOT GUILTY and will be much stronger than before.

    This miscarriage in justice against Commander White is actually the best thing that could have happened with the ANSWP. With the publicity the Commander is getting, and with Obama as president for 4 years, people are RIPE for change.

    By the end of November 2012, there will be a SWASTIKA over the White House!

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  66. Drake you are a deluded fool. You self-proclaimed "commander" is a homocidial, psychopathic madman with delusions of godhood.

    The Asswipes are the history. Bill White is going away for a very long time and I suggest you get used to it. Your lies on the internet won't impress the judge.

    As for helping out his baby, are you fucking crazy? Just sell 10 houses and they will have plenty of available greenbacks. Or Bill can always drain his offshore accounts. Megham and the kid will be provided for, shit Bill's family is stinking rich!

    And Bill will be provided for with three hots, a cot all the nigger dick he can enjoy... All that ASSWIPE crap won't save your ass Billy boy.

    Good call NIKI, for a anti-racist piece of shit.

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  67. Nikki, what makes you think Von isn't a WN unless that is he is giving you information as well?

    I smell a rat.

    What do you base this on?

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  68. Von is a fucking rat just look at what he writes on zogsnightmare:


    "I noticed the other day that the A.N.S.W.P. is clamoring for donations to be sent to Bill White on VNNF (the same forum that allows their members to call me a rat without the opportunity to defend myself). The same Bill White that actively set about to destroy the movement as a whole. Remember what he did to Marc Moran or more recently with the Ron Paul campaign? The list of people Bill has screwed is a long one.

    It is very apparent from the complaint against him that he cannot blame anyone but himself for his situation. He is no martyr and shouldn’t be compared to true patriots like Chester Doles.

    It is well known that Bill White claimed on many occasions that he is a self-made millionaire. Not only is Bill a millionaire, but White comes from a very wealthy family in Maryland. He truly can buy most of us many times over.

    Knowing all of this, why would anyone be stupid enough as to send this guy any of their hard earned money? Why would you hand over your wages to a guy that once claimed he wasn't part of the movement and his job was to destroy other WN groups in order to extract the "gold".

    This man is neither deserving of your pity OR your money."~ Vonbluvens

    He says he isn't siding with law enforcement:

    "I am not siding with law enforcement on this one, but given what this guy has done to many in the movement I just can't whip up any sympathy for him especially after looking at the complaint(s) against him.

    He is a victim of his own actions and it is

    incredible that more don't see that.

    What really angers me is that I cannot defend myself against the lies that are being told about me on VNNF."

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  69. And another Nikki like, which needs to be put to rest, is that the Commander doesn't have many followers. Sure, he might not (yet) have as many as Hal had, but he has slightly more than 1,000 (more than any other WN movement). ASSWWIPE SUPPORTER

    Yea, that's why you guys could only muster five people at any given picket or "rally".

    Keep playing your stupid numbers game.

    Everyone is wise to it.

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  70. It's amazing how the name of Hal Turner has not been brought into this discussion. I suggest Hal Turner's recent actions warrant further scrutiny.

    Read his blog. Less than 12 hours after White's arrest, Turner ups and makes a no-notice trip to Brazil. Now when have you ever heard of Hal Turner going anywhere without him promoting it in advance? Kingston, Knoxville, Kalamazoo, even across the street to buy a pack of his beloved grape-flavored White Owls. Now, with NO ADVANCE NOTICE, Turner suddenly makes a trip halfway around the world to Brazil. Doesn't fit the pattern, does it?

    Then on another post, Turner actually celebrates the arrest of White - once he's safely in Brazil. That puts him in league with other crypto anti-racists such as Jim Rammstein and Vondoofus.

    Furthermore, Turner has been previously accused of having a relationship with the FBI. While he's repeatedly denied it, those denials weaken in the face of the circumstantial evidence proffered.

    The bottom line - it's time to confront the possibility that Hal Turner shopped Bill White to the Feds.

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  71. All I ever see on this blog is Chris Drake attacking Von and sometimes even Jim.

    Chris claims all these wild allegations of baby killing, ect... Yet I don't seen Von or Ramsey respond with their own wild allegations and they certainly could.

    It's rather easy to tell who is pulling our leg here...

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  72. Truth - I am so glad you posted this. I have been wondering when someone was going to put two and two together and come up with four. I found it interesting that he was possibly the first to announce that White had been arrested. He seems to have a lot of inside information, for certain.

    Believe me, you are so right about Brazil - if it had been a planned event we would have heard about it for months, ad nauseum.

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  73. Wow the thought of Bill getting ass raped by black cellmates gets me almost hot as rats like Drake jumping ship and rejoining he NSM.

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  74. Is anyone stupid enough to believe that Hal is actually in Brazil? He's posting very same pictures he posted from his trip there in 2004 (which was most likely financed by Mona Montgomery of Glendale, CA) Since (thanks to Bill White) Turner has lost Mona as a cash cow I doubt very seriously that Hal has left the country. Most recently Hal has been working for a New Jersey car wash.

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  75. As recently as two weeks ago Hal Turner was working for the Bubble Bath Car Wash. The car wash won't say why he is no longer there but if you fax them for a reference on him he isn't listed as a rehire.

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  76. Let me clear a few things up for those of you who have never seen the inside walls of a cell in a mental ward. First, I'm not the only one "attacking" Mike and Jim. Not by a long shot. The movement has turned on them enmass. Besides, there idea of "attacking them" is often just repeating exactly what they wrote or said before they had a chance to delete it or change it.

    Mike himself has made WILD accusations at me such as I have an illigitimate son whom I hide and on occasion molest. I've seen his sick child-sex stories and photo-shopped sex pics pertaining to that lie. That's just one example. This was when I was thinking Mike and I would just go our seperate ways in peace. Stuff like this went on for weeks until I had enough of it. Then I simply repeated things I had heard Mike say or were common knowledge. When I stopped paying attention to him, he made scores of jabs at me trying to get me to pay him more mind and get his name out there now. Well, buddy it is sure out there now, trust.

    Second, I have not rejoined the NSM. I don't dislike the NSM but its not my kind of thing. I still consider Jeff a loyal friend but we haven't spoken in a long time.

    As far as the baby killing thing goes, the "flame wars" as Jim calls it got out of hand. Nick's wife freaked out and lost the baby. You all didn't consider something like that might happen? What if some loonie negro or whatever had come to Nick's wedding to mow them all down? You'd be mad as hell if someone blamed you, thats what. You all wanted Bill White in prison, said you'd do everything you could to help put him there, and now are mad that people feel sorry for his wife and kids. What do you two want me to do about it? Huh?

    Fact of the matter is, people have already been hurt and more are likely going to. It's been one sided so far. Jim and Von do nothing but attack people's families, jobs and if they can, get people arrested. Say it's not true. What kills me is that both of you seem to think that people should praise you for it. Next you get furious when people react in a negative way. You both helped each other dig this hole.

    Be careful what you wish for I suppose. Bill White is in jail just like you wanted.

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  77. Chris,

    please post the links where Von allegedly said and did these things.

    Did you ever consider leaving Mike alone?

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  78. "Fact of the matter is, people have already been hurt and more are likely going to. It's been one sided so far. Jim and Von do nothing but attack people's families, jobs and if they can, get people arrested."-Chris Drake

    You are tall on the allegations and come up very short on the proof.

    I think the most outrageous thing Bill did was to accuse Von of killing Nick Chappel's baby. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me you believe that.

    It's ridiculous!

    I suppose you figure that if you repeat this often enough in your whisper campaign against Blevins and perhaps others that they will believe you.

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  79. Come on guys, you are giving Chris waaaay too much credit for having intelligence and a conscience.

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  80. Chris, just a few questions:

    *Whos family did von attack and how?

    *Who lost their job
    because of von?

    *Who has gone to jail because of von and how?

    *Do you have proof about von saying anything about a mentally retarded child?

    No inuendos please--just cold hard facts.

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  81. *Whos family did von attack and how?

    Von attacked my family and Bill's. He may or may not have had anything to do directly with the attack on Nick's family. Apparently Von just wants to be tied to Jim when its convient.

    *Who lost their job
    because of von?

    George Hutchins was ratted out by Von and lost his job. Von went after my job and it looks like I am losing it due to his harrassing my employer.

    *Who has gone to jail because of von and how?

    George Hutchins was the first. Bill White was investigated on information Mike gave up but fortunately they were unable to find anything. The next step was to go after him for what he is being charged with now.

    *Do you have proof about von saying anything about a mentally retarded child?

    Naturally, Mike thinks he covered his tracks well or he wouldn't ask questions like that (or blame them on Jim so quickly). Besides Mike admitting to doing it, router logs were also kept showing that he had done exactly that.

    Sorry Mike but you are sneaky but not sneaky enough.

    Fact of the matter is that Nick Chappel's baby died, he wasn't killed. It was Jim Ramm's "flame war" that caused the stress, causing this to occur. His wife called crying to inform me of this fact. Von's name got thrown in the mix because Jim is the only person left who will associate with Mike.


    Believe it or not. Nobody has to really explain to much of anybody what that pair is about at this point. I'm sure they will give us lots more example of their behavior in the future.

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  82. The funniest thing is that VonWelfare never made those molestion charges..... notch another one up for the Nimbusters. LOL.

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  83. Yeah, I bet. Von will hide behind ANYONE.

    Von wants to destroy people and look like an angelic saint in the process. Jim wants to destroy people and get a pat on the back for it.

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  84. When will Chris Drake and the A.N.S.W.P. give up this bizzare obsession with Blevins?

    None of what chris listed would even stand up as even good circumstancial evidence.

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  85. Nick Chapel is a worthless piece of shit and you know it Drake, you used to talk shit about him regularly, calling him a retard with a low I.Q.

    Your Butt-Buddy Bill also did quite the slander job against Chapel. Now your all good ass-thumpin' buddies again. I'm fucking getting sick...Nazis are so stupid...

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  86. I had second thoughts about Drake when I witnessed that backstabbing of Blevins on the vanguard forum.

    The Feds would have absolutely no problem flipping a guy like Chris to testify against White. I mean good god look how he turned on his best friend.

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  87. Hey, Chris, what about all that nasty stuff you posted about Von's wife?

    You aren't the only one that visits VNN you know.

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  88. Chris is moaning about losing his job but he hasn't lost it-yet?

    How can you accuse blevins of you losing your job when you still work there?

    Is your mind that conveluted?

    I smell a big pile of BULLSHIT.

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  90. I take it Jim has entered the room based on all the corpse references.

    And what nasty things did I say about Von's wife, Jim? Von dragged her into during zero-hour of this whole thing and I've had nothing negative to say about her, unlike Von has about my wife. How do you go from making anti-Vonbluvens websites to believing everything he tells you?

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  91. Chairman Mao forever!October 21, 2008 5:00 PM

    Drake I know where you work. If you make another post on VNN or this blog I will start posting your employers address and info.

    We are tired of listening to your dumbass nazi bullshit.

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  92. Anyone can go to VNNF and do a search to see all the crap Chris said about Von and his wife.

    Don't take my word for it.

    What about the latest audio of Michael Burks calling her obese?

    Drake is the first one drawing blood on this one.

    Drake must think we are all stupid.

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  93. That point about Chris rolling is a very cogent point.

    Chris would roll on White in a heartbeat.

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  94. Bill White first and Chris Drake next. Fucker, you are goin' down just like your ass-jockey Bill White.

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  95. Hey Jim and Von, really get creative with whatever story you tell the feds about me. Sorry your Nazi training camp thing didn't work out. This time be sure to come up with your "we are not rats..." story ahead of time. In other words, try not to brag about it before you see how people will react. That's been your downfall so far. I guess you boys thought you'd be heros, huh? Too bad.

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  96. Post right here what Christoper Drake said about Von's wife. Are you talking about when I called Von a gigolo? Everybody click over to wikipedia, read what a gigolo is and explain to me how Von isn't one.

    Anyhow, I'm done with the whole Von/Jim thing for a while. It's not like ANYONE left in the movement doesn't know the story on those guys. Hopefully, everyone will remain mature and legal and just shun them.

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  97. Earlier there was a post made here regarding Aryan babies and fetuses. I have deleted the post. However, I feel compelled to tell you that whoever made that post, regardless of which side of this mess they are, is a worthless and reprehensible piece of shit.

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  101. The above post has been removed because I might be pretty lenient in allowing you to vent here - but you will NOT use this forum to do the same kind of thing that Bill White is in jail for. Grow the hell up. If you have a beef with Chris or anyone else - grow a pair and don't expect others to do your dirty work for you.

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  103. Hopefully any fetus that nigger fucking Nikki has ever had was aborted.

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  106. Will Bill White get bail tomorrow? I guess it depends, his parents will pay it though. My prediction is no bail pending his transfer to Chicago.

    Like someone else said, if White is out on bail, he'll be very restricted on what he can do. He won't be able to keep his gun permit, he won't be able to use the internet, and restricted on who he can associate with. I suspect knowing Bill's history that he is cooperating fully with them and giving over information about everything he knows. He'll probably also have a wear a monitoring device if released on bail.

    I agree with Nikki that this is just part of what they know, more charges and the results of the grand jury investigation are still pending.

    Bill admitted in court that he made those murder threats while being under stress...... But look at the stress he's going through now, White's even more psychotic.

    Now, my early final prediction.

    White will plea bargain but still be stuck with felony. As part of the plea bargain, he'll be silenced for many many years as part of his probation.

    I think this is the end for White. We've said this before though.

    We'll see......

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  107. Bitch cookee mines now! Ya'll gone have to deel wid that!
    Mines! Ya feel me! cookee be gettin treated right up in here! But she mines now. Gots ta deal wid that yall.

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  108. Harry - I will wait until tomorrow. There has got to be more to this case than what we are seeing. The feds aren't gonna play all their cards at once.

    I agree that if bail is granted there will be some pretty strict conditions. I'm not sure that Bill can be silenced for long though.

    If he isn't granted bail, then I think their case must be pretty strong.

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  109. Don't be surprised if the Feds follow the Shaun Walker model, meaning they may offer Bill White bail, but on condition that he cease to act as Commander of the ANSWP. The question is, would Bill accept such conditions.

    I'm impressed with the way Chris Drake has stepped up to the plate and represented the ANSWP so well during this crisis. It's a shame how all the Jim Rammstein 1488 Cultists along with the Nimbustards have been nipping at his heels like a bunch of chihuahuas.

    Particularly sad is the case of Vonbluvens. Have you noticed how Von moves from one sugar daddy to another? First Schoep, then White, and now Rammstein. It seems like Von cannot live without a dominant man in his life (psychologically, NOT sexually)

    Now, if can we find out just how deeply Hal Turner is involved in all of this.

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  110. Speaking of Blevins moving from one group and individual to another - kinda like Bill White, huh? Just can't find a place to belong.

    As to Hal Turner's involvement - I'll betcha it's a lot deeper than anyone realizes.

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  111. Nikki,

    I bet 100 to 1 Turner has more to do this then being a blogger. He knew of the arrest BEFORE the media or anyone did. And he's proven to be communicating with FBI on a regular basis.

    Speaking of Blevins... He started off in the NIM Movement, quit NIM then NSM, then quit the NSM, rejoined the NSM, quit the NSM, formed his own group, quit that group, joined the ANSWP, quit the ANSWP, joined the ANSWP, quit the ANSWP, joined whatever the Christian NS organization is.... I'm sure there's more I can't think of.

    Only Chris Drake has joined and quit more groups than Blevins.

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  112. I think that there is a reason that Turner is claiming to be in Brazil, when in fact he is not but other than that and the reasons Mr. Schwartz named I have no proof.

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  114. Am I the only one that noticed just how crazy bill white looks in that photo of him in his black and whites? Noticed that shit-eating-grin of his as he glares at the reporters? I couldn't help but think of manson.

    BTW

    Schwartz--
    It was Vanguard News Forum that were the first ones to report on the arrest.

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  115. Hey Jim and Von. Just a note, I can find another job. You'll both still be rats.

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  116. The Nail in the CoffinOctober 21, 2008 11:56 PM

    Chris Drake Exposed: http://christopherdrake.blogspot.com/

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  117. Hal isn't in Brazil. Alex said as much in the private VNN forum for select members only that Hal is posting from his normal two accounts.

    When is Vonbluvens, Chris Drake, and Jim Ramm going to end their pissing contest on here and NIM Busters????

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  119. Thank you for Chris's details. I called his house but there was no answer. Sleeping perhaps?!?!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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  120. So, the great nazi works for an asian company? WTF?!

    "The Hyundai Motor Company, a division of the Hyundai Kia Automotive Group, is South Korea’s largest and the world’s fifth largest automaker in terms of units sold per year. Headquartered in Seoul, Hyundai operates the world’s largest integrated automobile manufacturing facility in Ulsan, which is capable of producing 1.6 million units annually. The Hyundai logo, a slanted, stylized 'H', is said to be symbolic of two people (the company and customer) shaking hands. Hyundai means "modernity" in Korean."

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  121. Chris Drake is now RUINED! Typical hypocrite, just like Curt Maynard.

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  122. *ring* *ring*

    "Good morning, Taylor Hyundai".

    "Guten Morgen, may I speak to that Neo-Nazi guy, uh... what's his name? Oh right, Neo-Nazi Christopher Drake".

    "Excuse me?"

    "You know, that Neo-Nazi you have working in computers.. Chris Drake. You *DID* know he is in a neo nazi organization, didn't you?"

    "Uh..."

    "Your fax number is 706-868-2110, right? Let me fax you some information to help you understand."

    *click*

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  123. Click on the last picture on that blog.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gzZQva5_8ig/SP6W-TljOyI/AAAAAAAAAAc/EfPP0Nno1Gs/s1600-h/drake1.jpg

    Tears? I think so. Why? Knowing he is going to get sacked?

    Or did Vonnie said he does no longer loves him?

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  124. Do whatever. Like I stated before, my reputation stays clean, yours somehow gets worse. When Von put you up to this, he might have left out that I've got two degrees and a list of certifications.

    I never get a break over there. Sure, I'll sit home on unemployment. Maybe I'll go for my CCNA next? You've also set yourself up for a pretty open-and-shut civil suit as well. Thank Von for all of that. Normally the courts award a years pay for something like this. Trust me, its not the first law suit like that I've seen. Have any idea how much I make in a year, Jim?

    Knock yourself out, tuffguy!

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  125. Chris Drake is a RUINED MAN. Even if he has 10 degrees and a CISSP he will be unemployable because nobody will want to touch him. If he gets another job (by a company who obviously doesn't do a background check) we WILL find him, expose him and RUIN HIM.

    The only thing that MAY save him is if he quits the ANSWP and severs ties with Bill White.

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  126. I just faxed some photos of Mr Drake to that fax number. If that is the real fax number then Mr Drake is going to have an interesting day at work today!

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  127. drake's work info was on nimbusters last week, his employer was already contacted. Now they get a double dose.

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  128. Well...since you have announced your intent to "ruin" him, guess what...should he bring suit against you - he wins. Brilliant move guys.

    You're all a bunch of gems, huh? Gee, I don't know if the world is ready for such genius!

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  129. Oh Joy! Somebody posted Ramsey's employer on nimbusters. We are going to take two out at once!

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  130. That's very old info.

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  131. I will call and find out.

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  132. And who exactly is Chris Drake supposed to be suing? (As if he could afford an attorney)

    Anonymous people on an anonymous board? That is laughable at best. Good luck with that one.

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  133. It's really hard finding these things out while they are happening so I'll tell you how in advance. The courts can anyone to hand over IP addresses. This includes proxy servers. Did you use a proxy server outside the US? Woops.

    Another fun fact is that you more or less have to sue the whole house where the IP address came from. People will squable in court about who did what and most judges can figure it out. Some just place the judgement on everybody there. It's really too bad but hey, depriving my wife and child of funding didn't seem to be an issue with anyone.

    Here's a quiz for you all too. Guess what line of work half of Chris Drake's family is involved in? I'll give you a few hints: they have been into a long, long time and its not prostitution.

    If you guessed "the court system" then you are correct, friends! You think Bill White was "lawyered up?"

    What makes you want to slap your forehead is that if you can get to this webpage, you are on the internet. You could have done a google search and seen how much trouble you were about to get into. On top of that, did you ever think about the fact that the auto dealer would sue you too? Trust me, they have sued people for a lot less. Now their lawyers don't work as cheap as Chris Drake's lawyers do, but there are more of them, I assure you.

    Call your lawyer(s) and listen to him repeat pretty much what I just said to you. You can call someone a faggot or a pedo or a jew if you want to. You go to messing around with people's money and all of a sudden the law-dogs pay attention. If Chris Drake is not fired, then you might be ok. But who knows who will call or stop by? Who knows what might get spit out of the fax machine? Oh, the suspense!

    I guess the irony is that this has all come from the same crowd who were chearing for the American legal system a few days ago.

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  134. If you are creative there are all kind of fun ways to have fun with Chris. I like calling his job and saying he got my 13 year old daughter pregnant. Or calling them and saying you are law enforcement and you want to know if he is at work right now... I don't think that Chris is going to work there very long.

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  135. Sure. Call somewhere and say you are law enforcement. You just stepped over from a civil case to a criminal one.

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  136. If someone does Chris Drake at his work, you can thank Bill White for giving out the information. White did it so he could continue watching Drake and Blevins fight each other online.

    Seriously, it's how Bill White operates.

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  137. Bullshit about Chris coming from a family of lawyers is just that, bullshit. Prove it, Give us names, not lies. You can't get blood out of a stone and you can't get anything that has nothing.

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  138. Who was it that released Mike Blevins home address, and that his wife was running a daycare from their home?

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  139. Chris Drake doesn't come from a family of lawyers. He married into one.

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  140. I fail to see how Chris Drake can sue anyone for bringing character information about Chris to his employers. How can simply stating the facts, with photographic evidence, be something one can be sued over? Nobody photo-shopped those swastika armbands on Chris' arm. Nobody is forging public information about his membership to a neo-nazi organization.

    If publishing true information was a crime then Von would be living off Nikki's retirement savings right now.

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  141. It's not illegal to show his employer pictures of him in Nazi dress up.

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  142. You don't have to come from a family lawyers to deal with this. You have to have a phone book and a $500 retainer. Easy Japanesie.

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  143. Nope, pictures don't lie. I saw the site and it just states his name and those pictures of him.

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  144. Chris Drake is currently deleting his posts on VNN!!!!!

    Sorry Chris, too little too late!

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  145. "It's not illegal to show his employer pictures of him in Nazi dress up."

    I can see now that we aren't dealing with the best legal minds in the country. No shit it's not illegal. Who said it was? It's not illegal for someone to fall off a faulty porch at your house either, but guess what genius? Yes, that's right, you can be sued for it. There is more to the legal system than DUI, drug possession, murder and assault.

    Causing someone to lose their job out of malice, hurting someone's business over opinions of an employee, firing someone because of what they believe in, tying up someone's phones and faxes with bullshit, posting company information next to a guy in a Nazi uniform---pick a civil case. The civil courts are packed to the walls with similiar cases all day.

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  146. Employers have a right to know who is in their employ. They have a right to know if a Nazi is working for them and it isn't wrong to inform them...hell, some consider it a civic duty.

    Good luck convincing a judge otherwise.

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  147. "Chris Drake is currently deleting his posts on VNN!!!!!

    Sorry Chris, too little too late!"

    I'm not deleting anything. That's a zogsnightmare thing. Do a search.

    It's like this, you get me fired, I sue the fuck out of you. Likely the business will sue you too. I don't see why they wouldn't. You don't get me fired, you'll have to use some other "intimidation" tactic which likely won't work either.

    You see, what matter most to me is that I stand true. Someone asks me a question, I give them an answer. Sorry I'm not going "oh shit what will me and my girls do??? We'll have no money!!" for you.

    Fact is, you are trash. You with a million dollars = trash (not a white nationalist either). You broke = still trash. Catch my drift, ace? Me broke and digging ditches for a living = still a nationalist, not trash. Me living well and supporting my family = nationalist, not trash--same effect.

    So if I lose my job, not much will change except when I find another, there won't be a lawsuit garnishing my paychecks. Can't say the same for you.

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  148. Are you posting all this from work, Chris?

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  149. "Employers have a right to know who is in their employ. They have a right to know if a Nazi is working for them and it isn't wrong to inform them...hell, some consider it a civic duty.

    Good luck convincing a judge otherwise."

    What an employee believes in is none of an employers business. Thats a law. I must have seen no less than five lawsuits about just that. And yes, you can sue whoever made the call(s). That is comfirmed. Its an easy case.

    Besides, I've been with the company for 8 years with never even being written up once. Be my guest though. Test your vast legal knowledge.

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  150. I just did a google search. There must be one thousand cases like the one Jim is about to get himself involved in out there.

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  151. Jim had nothing to do with this, asshole.

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  152. Actually, there are some very good points being made here. Being a neo-Nazi isn't illegal in America, that's a fact. However, when you engage in activities that are considered nefarious or objectionable by the mainstream you must expect the consequences that come with that engagement.

    Most of us wouldn't care if our employer saw pictures of us speaking in front of our civic or community groups. Most of us wouldn't care if the boss found out that we attended a protest or a rally. When you are a Nazi, however, there is an element of concern over the possibility of losing your job.

    Now...for those of you contacting this employer, the problem, as I see it, is that you may be disrupting the day-to-day business that is being carried on in the company and may be guilty of some sort of harassment depending on how vigorous you are in your calls and faxes.

    The other problem is that most of you share the same beliefs as Chris and have indicated that you are doing this, not out of concern, but out of malice.

    Again - we all have rights, but we must be responsible. By the way...I know Blevins doesn't have a job - what about Matthew Ramsey?

    Also - I see that Justin Boyer has been whining about the FBI.

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  153. The information has been posted here, Nimbusters, chan4 and so on...

    These people aren't stupid and would not use a connection that can be traced.

    Btw, how is the Bill White case going? Any news if bail was denied?

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  154. Nikki,

    There were no calls for restraint when something very similiar was done to boovins family.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing this employer those photos--nothing.

    I agree that there should not be harrassing phone calls or faxes.

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  155. Bill's hearing is scheduled for 3:30 today.

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  156. BREAKING, CHICAGO GRAND JURY INDITES WHITE... Notice the words CHICAGO GRAND JURY, not ROANOKE grand jury. Did they have White fooled or what????

    News....

    Just hours before neo-Nazi activist William A. White’s preliminary hearing in Roanoke on a charge of encouraging violence against a federal juror, authorities announced today that White has been indicted on the same charge by a federal grand jury in Chicago.

    The development clears the way for White to stand trial in Chicago, although he is still scheduled to appear in federal court this afternoon for a bond hearing.

    The grand jury indicted White Tuesday on a charge of soliciting injury to the foreman of a jury that convicted a fellow white supremacist, Matthew Hale, of plotting to kill a federal judge in Chicago, authorities announced today.

    Last month, White posted the juror’s name, address and telephone numbers to his Web site, overthrow.com.

    By calling the man a "Gay, anti-racist" juror who played a key role in Hale’s conviction and making his whereabouts known, federal prosecutors contend, White intended for someone to act on the information by harming or threatening the juror.

    White, 31, was arrested Friday. He had been scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing this afternoon in U.S. District Court in Roanoke, where Magistrate Judge Michael Urbanski was to have determined whether there was probable cause to support the charge.

    But now that a Chicago grand jury has already made that finding and indicted White, there’s no need for a preliminary hearing.

    The indictment outlines a number of other cases in which White has posted personal information about his self-proclaimed enemies and made veiled threats, including a call last year to "Lynch the Jena 6" — a reference to six black teenagers whose arrest on assault charges triggered a major civil rights march in Jena, La.

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  157. So...all they have to determine today is bail????

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  158. when you engage in activities that are considered nefarious or objectionable by the mainstream you must expect the consequences that come with that engagement.
    -nikki nichols

    That is my line of thinking on it.

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  159. Ya know, I have been giving this much thought and it really must be a terrible thing to be afraid of neighbors, friends, employers, etc. finding out that you are a neo-Nazi or anything else that might bring you problems.

    And it's not like you guys don't know that the vast majority of people find your activities and beliefs objectionable. You know that going in - then later you are outraged because people react.

    Neo-Nazism, swastikas, racism, etc. are simply not accepted by mainstream Americans. At the very least you are laughed at and at the other extreme you sometimes evoke violent reactions. Yet, you profess to not understand why that happens.

    When you signed on to all of this you knew what you were in for. You also know that there is no loyalty within the movement - the person who you once considered your friend will do you in just as fast as the next guy. It's the nature of the beast.

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  160. Chris Drake had to go to the hospital so he asked me to post this:

    "I don't have a problem with ANYONE seeing me flying my colors. I am very open about my beliefs to everyone in the community. Barely anyone in the area doesn't know how I feel about things. I guess the real zog's nightmare is that I don't stick out in society awkwardly.

    People know what I'm about. The local antis try on a regular basis to do what the pseudo-racialist are trying to do right now. There is little difference in them except the antis don't ask me to go after other antis they don't like. At least they aren't traitors who say they believe one way and then side up with the other side. For years, I have endured physical attacks, vandalism, threats and harrassment. I've stood strong and never hid. My boys have stood by me too. I'm not one man but part of a local community. Scary? It's 2008.

    I could care less if my employer sees photos comfirming what they've heard for years. I've been with the company for nearly a decade without ANY incident. They have absolutely no reason to fire me. But they have plenty of reason to file lawsuits against people who would smear thier business. Heck one of our local guys got fired by the fire department for the same tactic being used by the finks here. He got $12k and his job back, with a promotion. Guess where the $12k came from? The ocean?

    I refuse to hide from these creaps and I refuse to stop trying to raise money for the Megan and her child. We've learned that we have as much right to our beliefs and opinions as anyone and with that, a right to support our families.

    And the last picture of me, with tears in my eyes, that was from when I spoke at Wild Bill's funeral. Real classy.

    I'm kind of waiting to publicize this because I'm waiting to see just how far the people involved will go. But don't worry much, fellas. I doubt anyone out there could have a lower opinion of you right now. "

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  161. Nikki: there is loyalty in the movement but it isn't among internet weirdos and the mentally ill. It is very hard to have pity for Drake. People warned him about Vonbluvens years ago.

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  162. If I was Chris Drake and bent on filing a lawsuit for being fired from my job, I would actually file the lawsuit against my former employer. After all, if they fired me for my "political" or "religious" beliefs, it would be easier to prove your case than it would against some semi-anonymous nobody who simply faxed a few pictures of a hollywood nazi posing for the camera.

    Not only that, but I think the former employer has a lot more money to offer in a settlement than some unemployed jilted ex-friend nazi.

    Who knows, he might score himself a brand spanking new Hyundai as part of a settlement.

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  163. Anyone noticed that "Chris Drake had to go to the hospital?" Hopefully, it's because of the baby and everything is okay.

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  164. I wonder what Chris Drake did behind the scenes that precipitated this. That's what I want to know.

    Things like this don't happen for no reason at all.

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  165. [[[I wonder what Chris Drake did behind the scenes that precipitated this. That's what I want to know.

    Things like this don't happen for no reason at all.]]]

    What are you referring to?

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  166. What I mean is what brought about the posting of his work info alongside photos of his nazi activities.

    It didn't happen for no reason at all.

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  167. I say go for it drake! Sue everybody! After you have spent every nickel on lawyers and realize you got some judgments that are impossible to collect on, you will have victory!

    Dunbass, you can't get something from people who have nothing...

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  168. Law school studentOctober 23, 2008 5:26 AM

    Chris Drake lies as much as Bill.

    Informing his employer of his Neo-Nazi beliefs isn't grounds for a lawsuit. No Attorney would be stupid enough to take such a case, what would they sue for, telling the truth?

    However, if people went public with the information and it damaged the business then the business might have ground for suit, depending on the details.

    I wouldn't listen to Drake's tirades, he's just trying to scare you.

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  169. "Chris Drake had to go to the hospital so he asked me to post this:"

    Chris had time to write it, but no time to post it?

    How long does that take? 1 second?

    You ain't fooling us, chris.

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