Tuesday, June 30, 2009

"They Fit In Just Fine...They Are Decent People

Hearing postponed for blogger accused of threats

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — A power failure has postponed a bail hearing for a New Jersey blogger charged with threatening three federal judges in Chicago.

Harold "Hal" Turner was to have appeared in federal court Tuesday. But that was canceled after a blown transformer cut power to parts of downtown Newark.

A new date has not been set.

The northern New Jersey resident was denied bail last week after he was arrested and charged with threatening to assault or murder the judges because they refused to overturn handgun bans.

Prosecutors say Turner wrote that the judges "deserve to be killed" and provided a map showing the Chicago courthouse where they work.

In a separate case, Turner has been charged with encouraging violence against two Connecticut lawmakers over controversial legislation.

Tracing Xenophobic Internet Chatter to Its Roots in New Jersey Town
Jessica Hill/Associated Press


LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy KAREEM FAHIM and NATE SCHWEBER
Published: June 30, 2009
The words of Hal Turner, incendiary and provincial as they might seem, have echoed far beyond the small Internet radio studio in his home in North Bergen, N.J., where, until his arrest last week, a neighbor knew him to be cordial if frequently confrontational.

Once an aspiring politician, Mr. Turner has become a controversial blogger and Internet radio host who has attracted attention from civil rights monitoring groups for his anti-immigrant and anti-Semitic pronouncements, and from authorities in Connecticut, where he was charged earlier this month with inciting violence against state lawmakers.

In April, Mr. Turner was suspected of playing a role in briefly driving down bank stocks after he claimed to have been leaked the results of bank stress tests conducted by the Treasury Department.

Last week, Mr. Turner achieved a new level of notoriety after federal authorities charged him with threatening in blog posts to assault and murder three federal appeals court judges.

“These judges deserve to be killed,” Mr. Turner wrote on his Web site, turnerradionetwork.com, which has since been taken down. “Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty.” He also posted the names, photos, phone numbers and work addresses of the three judges.

Mr. Turner’s words, which will test the boundaries of free speech, have emerged from an unlikely place: a three-story brick building across from a car wash in North Bergen, where many of his neighbors are Hispanic. Federal agents arrested him there last week, finding three semiautomatic handguns and a shotgun, along with 350 rounds of ammunition.

At a hearing on Thursday, prosecutors said they would consent to letting Mr. Turner remain under house arrest after posting bail if he surrendered all his broadcasting equipment and Internet access. The police planned to monitor his home computers to ensure that he stayed off the Web. He would also have to submit to a mental health evaluation and not travel outside New Jersey and northern Illinois, where he is charged.

The judge, Michael A. Shipp, said: “Quite frankly, after reading all the information I’m concerned about the defendant’s threat to the community.”

John Turner, 44, Mr. Turner’s brother, said after the hearing that his brother’s arrest constituted an “abuse of power.” Another bail hearing is set for Tuesday afternoon.

On Monday, a note from Mr. Turner, apparently written in jail, was posted on his Web site. In it, he asked his supporters for money to pay a lawyer and to post bond.

“I’ve been jailed in protective custody on account of the U.S. marshals because I’m the only non-Hispanic white guy in the prison,” the note said. Visitors to his Web site are now directed to a blog run by his mother.

Mr. Turner has been broadcasting from his home since 2001. In an interview he gave to The Record of Hackensack in 2003, Mr. Turner, a former Marine, said that his turn from budding politician to firebrand Internet activist came a few years earlier after a decision by the Republican leadership in Hudson County to endorse a Hispanic woman over him to challenge Senator Robert Menendez, who was then in the House of Representatives.

“I had never judged people on their race, not prior to that point,” he said.

Frank Askin, a professor of constitutional law at Rutgers University, said statements as “obnoxious and offensive” as those attributed to Mr. Turner are still protected. “In order to convict him, the U.S. Supreme Court is going to have to overrule earlier doctrine,” he said. “I don’t think he can be convicted of incitement. People who listen to him have time to think.”

In the 2003 interview with The Record, Mr. Turner spoke well of the people of North Bergen, a town where Hispanics make up more than 60 percent of the population. “They fit in just fine,” he said. “They are decent people.” (In the same article, Mr. Turner referred to some residents of Los Angeles as “brown-skinned savages.”)

One of his neighbors recalled several run-ins with Mr. Turner. Roldan Flores, 44, a truck driver, said that while many of his exchanges with Mr. Turner were polite, the two had an argument more than a year ago. Mr. Flores said he had music blaring from his car stereo and Mr. Turner came outside and exchanged words with him. Later that evening, as Mr. Flores left his apartment, Mr. Turner emerged from his apartment across the hall at the same time with a pistol prominently displayed, stuffed down the front of his shorts with the handle protruding.

“Never did I know he had a gun until that altercation with him,” Mr. Flores said last week.

Mr. Flores said around the same time Mr. Turner hung a sign on a telephone pole near the front of the building which read, “No infestation, no immigration.” Mr. Flores said he tore the sign down with a tire iron and threw it in the trash.


  1. Nikki, I am a White racialist and I have respect for you.

  2. Like I said Nikki, Hal is only a white supremacist on the internet. In real life, he;s practially hispanic right down to his family, church, and daily activities. Hal is fluent in spanish as are his wife and adopted son who is wife's genetic grandson but were adopted them both of them.

  3. Hal will join the Spanish Mafia in Prison and will be a Hispanic boy toy instead of a black one. But never fear, he'll be someone's bitch.

    I wonder how the Hal/Bill reunion will go in jail? Man I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that one! I hope we can get Von and Drake to join them soon! LOL

  4. Well, this degenerate is no hallmark of WNism, trust me. He is a self-serving piece of shit just like Bill White. "That is it and that is all" as Lil' Sis from the old Bubb Rubb video says.

  5. Where does Hal get all those ill fitting suits and where did he learn to tie a tie? His momma dresses him funny. Oh well, he's wearing orange now.

  6. God Is JusticeJuly 01, 2009 9:17 AM

    Ping Mr. Schwartz can you tell me if Matthew Ramsey still owns the sites: http://www.zogsnightmare.com/ and shitskinned.com ????

    Always like to report factual information.

  7. Lunatic Fringe USA Note: This afternoon(July 1) Hal Turner was denied bail - impart because he was broadcasting appeals from jail। I guess sending the courts and law enforcement people a heads up on Hal jail calls might have thrown a wrench in Hal getting bail.
    We (Lunatic Fringe USA) are now trying to get Hal arrested on the threats Hal made against former racist Floyd Cochran on his radio show - the rich and powerful can have Hal arrested for threats why can't a average person such as Floyd have him arrested ? Was Floyd's fear of Hal any less then the rich and powerful ?

    From NJ.com: post at 12:37 pm - July 1
    "A U.S. District judge denied bail for hate blogger Hal Turner today in a courtroom in Newark.

    U.S. District Judge Michael Shipp cited Turner's continued use of the Internet, even after he was arrested at his home on June 24, as the reason he was denied bail. Shipp specifically referred to a nine-minute phone conversation Turner had from the Essex County Jail that was posted on his site. The nine-minute plea from jail, ironically, was posted so supporters could send him money to post bail.

    Rest of story here: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2009/07/hate_blogger_hal_turner_denied.html

  8. Bail denied a second time for Turner. And for the reason I posted a few days ago, Hal was stupid enough to put allow an mp3 message to air on his website. Or the person running the website now did it on purpose to keep Hal in jail.

    He's just soooo stupid.

  9. Lunatic Fringe,

    Your comment section isn't working, no matter what I try, it don't accept the comment.

  10. I will check it right now and see what the problem is - I know Nikki posted there a couple of times and it work - thanks for letting us know.


  11. Mr. Schwartz - hit your resfresh on the LF blog and try posting now - when posting a drop down box will appear asking you a"profile"- just scroll down click on Anonymous or one of the other choices.

    again thanks

  12. God Is JusticeJuly 01, 2009 5:34 PM

    The only way Hal Turner could have been more stupid was to have been born Matthew Ramsey.

  13. We (Lunatic Fringe USA) are now trying to get Hal arrested on the threats Hal made against former racist Floyd Cochran on his radio show - the rich and powerful can have Hal arrested for threats why can't a average person such as Floyd have him arrested ? Was Floyd's fear of Hal any less then the rich and powerful ?

    you don't know a lot abt the effin' jewSA "jewstice" system if you think some-one like Floyd is gunna get "a look-in", do u?

    if yr not "rich & powerful" (viz: a kike of sorts or one of their "pets"!) yr simply not gunna get any-thing even remotely resembling "justice" from fedZOGjewSA.....that's why Floyd ain't got "a prayer" & HT remains in gaol (whereas even the most psychopathic nig' gang-banger can get bail "set"....even if it's $a million$!)

    maybe know you'll realise that most Western countries are TOTALLY CONTROLLED by kikez....the media, the courts, the cops, the military top-brass, politicians, academia, business & most of the professions(doctors, lawyers, stock-brokers &C!)

  14. Can someone please teach this fucking idiot (Jimbo) how to speak English?

  15. Hey Nikki have you heard the one that says Turner has "mental health issues". Hal to use the insanity defense? Funny here's the link.

    Pre-trial report, Turner with Mental health issues

  16. The guy is mentally ill. He should be in a home somewhere, not in a prison cell. Nobody is that out of touch with reality. Everybody out there that's having fun with this might as well be kicking an insane homeless person for fun. I am no Hal Turner fan but because of this slant on his mentally ill behavior (he lives in a racialist fantasy world), he's being made an example of. It's sick. He ought to be tossed in a mental institution where people can explain to him that there are no secret armies, you can't cause earthquakes with dynamite and conspiracy theories you think up don't automatically become true after you repeat them on the radio.

    Hal is mentally ill. Torturing someone who doesn't even clearly know what's going on is sick, cruel and wrong. For example: he just named FBI agents FROM PRISON. He is a mental case if I've ever run across a mental case in my life.

    If you want to punish Hal for being racist, then go ahead Stalin. Punishing him for trying to sick his imaginary secret army on someone is laughable. What about if you just started rounding up every mentally ill negro you saw on the street because there were anti-white (anti-racist)? Hal needs to be mentally evaluated then put into an institution where he can get help, not hurt anyone and not hurt himself.

  17. uhhh...sounds a lot like "the jewSSR solution"....you can't find any real criminal charge to buckle some-one with so...label them "mentally ill"...one step removed from being labelled "a terrorist"...."extremism" now qualifies as "a mental illness"....ho hum!...then maybe most of these fckn ARA clowns should be institutionalised first then, eh?!?

    wtf-ever....the fact remains: if HT was a nigga gang-banger...a drug dealer, "drive-by artiste", rapist and/or armed robber/murderer he'd already be "bailed" or, @ the least, have it "set"....wtf right has some jew judge got to refuse bail for a fckn "speech crime" ferFCKsake?!?

    DEATH to the fckn "jewz"!

    ohh....BTW..."mental illness" is just another kike concoction any-way...if any-one is "mentally ill", it's the fckn jewz & niggaz!

    Szasz on "mental illness".....

    prt i

    prt ii

  18. You realize that Matt Ramsey is "Jimbo" right? Same bad spelling and grammar.

  19. I've been telling you for years that Hal Turner had mental health issues and was drawing social security on it. Just like Michael Blevins.

    I'm not bragging but everything I have told you about Hal Turner is correct. I wonder if his bisexuality will somehow come out although it's probably nothing to do with the case.

  20. Why does Schwartz keep harping on his bullshit. Hal wasn't on Social Security.

  21. Leave Schwartz lone. He's been right more than he has been wrong.

  22. Lunatic Fringe USA Two Minute Audio Report.

    IS Hal Turner's Arrest A First Amendment Case ?

    WE Don't Think So, Take A Listen Click Here. Lunatic Fringe USA Audio News

  23. Look Loonie, if we want your fucking opinion we can drive to Maryland and beat it the fuck out of you.

  24. God is JusticeJuly 04, 2009 3:09 AM

    Matthew Ramsey worked with the Feds to get Hal and Bill locked up. He is on the payroll of the FBI. I also know for a fact the Ramsey several Black children and is a NAACP member.

  25. Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

    Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died.

    Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

    Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.

    Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

    They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

    What kind of men were they?

    Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

    Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

    Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

    Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

    At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

    Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

    John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

    Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more.

    Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

    They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!

    Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July Holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

    Remember: Freedom is never free!

  26. This is very inspiring to me but it doesn't mean shit to these radical leftists here.

    The 4th of July is a symbol of freedom and independence, the exact same things these liberals wish to change.

    Calling too all of you libs. Drop your hate for this country and endless desire to "change" it to a socialist form of government.

    I suggest all Democrats take a trip to Williamsburg VA. You will be very interested in seeing how this country was formed via actors all over the town. They are living in the time and little skits are always going on around the town. The issues they faced are remarkably similar to those faced today.

    It is incredibly inspiring. It will give you goose bumps and make you libs love this country again. Your fixation on "changing" this country to a socialist form of government will be instantly gone. You will want it back the way it was long ago, prior to the socialist attack we have been under for the past 60 years.

    Everyone cheers during the moving presentations and you will see some people fighting back tears. Everyone meaning Democrats and Republicans. God Bless The United States and DOWN with the socialist soft tyranny that is tearing this country apart.

  27. I read in VNN Forum a bunch of independent White voters trying to draft Bowles to run for President in 2012.

  28. Well Hooch is being a cry baby again. What a little bitch. Whine some more you little cunt.

  29. You read that people are TRYING to get Bowles to run again? Sure, when you convicted felon with no political experience doesn't get a single vote the first time: run him again! Why bother doing anything that makes sense in white nationalism at this point? The loonier the better!

  30. I voted for him so you are wrong.


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