Thursday, June 04, 2009

Dreams Sometimes Come True

Photo from the Jersey Journal

Writing about Hal Turner comes almost as second nature since I have been doing just that for years now. However, writing about Hal Turner being arrested has only been a dream of mine - until now. I only wish that the charges would come from another source - but I'll not look a gift horse in the mouth.

Several people on both sides of the ideological spectrum are asking the same question in the aftermath of yesterday's arrest - "Why now when Hal has been doing much the same thing that he is charged with for years?"

Well, I am no legal expert in these matters, but here are my thoughts - all of which are racing right at the moment.

The charges brought are state felony charges much like those brought against Bill White several months back. Unlike the White case, there have been no federal charges - yet.

In reading the news accounts and the internet post that resulted in these charges, I was struck by a couple of pronouns that Turner used - these might have done him in. Example:

Thankfully, the Founding Fathers gave us the tools necessary to resolve tyranny: The Second Amendment.

TRN advocates Catholics in Connecticut take up arms and put down this tyranny by force. To that end, THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT ON "THE HAL TURNER SHOW" we will be releasing the home addresses of the Senator and Assemblyman who introduced Bill 1098 as well as the home address of Thomas K. Jones from the OSE.

After all, if they are so proud of what they're doing, they shouldn;t mind if everyone knows where they live.

It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally. These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die.

If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too

Using the pronouns "us" and "we" along with words like "intent," "direct action," "personally," and "put them down" pretty much implies that you and some one else intends to cause harm to your target.

Hal Turner has always been this shock-jock hate machine who vomits vitriolic threats all over the internet looking for some sort of attention. Prostituting himself for his own personal, self-serving gain has garnered him a few more than his 15 minutes of fame over the years. As others of the same persuasion have been arrested for much lesser offenses than those committed by Turner, it has been suggested that he has been more beneficial to law-enforcement running amok rather than behind bars. Considering the fact that just a couple of days ago, Turner posted a map to the Dirksen Federal Building in Chicago highlighting the location of the built in anti-truck bomb barriers while targeting three circuit court judges, it will be interesting to see if other charges are brought against this reprobate.

As expected, there are those who are decrying the arrest as a direct affront to the First Amendment. Even some who have been severely critical of Turner in the past, fear this to be an omen of future abridgements. The question that this writer would ask is, perhaps, one that would incite the protecors of that freedom even more - when the First Amendment was written, what was the intent?

Was it intended that anyone could say anything at anytime? If that was the case, then are we to assume that it is okay for another to threaten harm to you and your family? Was it intended that your right to free speech be able to interfere with my right to live, love, and raise my family without fear of intimidation or threat? I don't think the Founding Fathers intended any such thing.

There are many things happening in our country and, indeed, within the government that need our attention. We can criticize...we can protest...we can campaign...we can lobby...we can vote...we can use all sorts of peaceful means to effect change. Holding people hostage through intimidation and threats of violence is not, however, acceptable in this society - or under the Constitution.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Hal Turner. It will also be interesting to witness the reactions of those who support him regardless of the outcome.


  1. It looks like the semi-literate Chris Drake is at it again...

  2. The Incitement Test (Brandenburg)
    "The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

  3. "I think we can all agree on one thing. There needs to be a clear law on wheather or not ANYONE can post people's info in any sort of negative way."--Anon.

    Good point, and there isn't any clear law other than the last ruling by the 9th district court in the "abortion Dr. hitlist case", which is the basis in which anti-racist constructed hitlist of their own, and why law enforcement never did anything about it--there was and is no law.

    It only began to become a troublesome legal wrinkle when the right-wing employed the same tactics.


    Deal with it.


  5. It would appear that some of Hal's emails have found their way to the authorities in CT.


  6. Nikki, you say this...

    """Was it intended that your right to free speech be able to interfere with my right to live, love, and raise my family without fear of intimidation or threat?"""

    Sorry but I must have been out of class that day. Can you tell me exactly where in the constitution I should find this?

  7. Hooch quit whining you little bitch.
    How about my right to kick your teeth in Von if you don't stop being a cry baby? How about that right, bitch?

  8. You are more than welcome to try to asspacker. I will give you an address that we will meet at and I will pay you double your burger flipping wages and travel expenses. I am looking forward to it.

    Do you see Nikki. I have been threatened with violence and that is exactly how you deal with it. I have absolutely no fear of the radical leftist freak and what makes you think the "victems" of that teddy bear Turner sat up all night worried about it? Or do you think that they really were worried because they actually did the things they were accused of?

    You must understand. When you are confronted with a bully, you don't talk to him about it or call the cops on him so the legal system can try to take away our constitutional rights. What you do is you SMASH HIS FACE IN WITH A BRICK. That's what you do.

  9. Hooch is speaking TRUTH TO POWER!

    Keep it up, I enjoy your insights.

  10. Hooch - I didn't say that it was in the Constitution - I asked if that was the intent of the First Amendment.

  11. Yup, you know the intent of all the founding fathers. Stop peddling your opinions as fact. You are entitled to them, but they are still nothing more than an opinion.

    Many scholars have dedicated their whole professional careers trying to determing that, and you are going to pontificate on the WWW. how you know better than they.

    I doubt seriously that you have even read the Federalist Papers or other supplimental documentation that compliments the Constitution.

  12. This is a Free Speech issue.

  13. If speaking in generalities and website postings do not meet the criteria for 'imminent lawless action/likely to incite or produce such action' , 'true threat' and is obvious 'political hyperbole' then at least in HT's case, it would not be enough-unless they are trying to change law. The recurring theme in these cases seems to be looking at whether the danger is imminent* I thought the key was in specificity- but the theme of 'imminence' - proximity, degree- whether the danger is 'clear and present' - Brandenberg , Watts, Evers

    Brandenberg and Watts cases, more at links:

    Threats of Violence Against Individuals.—The Supreme Court has cited three “reasons why threats of violence are outside the First Amendment”: “protecting individuals from the fear of violence, from the disruption that fear engenders, and from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.”980 In Watts v. United States, however, the Court held that only “true” threats are outside the First Amendment.981

    The defendant in Watts, at a public rally at which he was expressing his opposition to the military draft, said, “If they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.”982He was convicted of violating a federal statute that prohibited “any threat to take the life of or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.”

    The Supreme Court reversed. Interpreting the statute “with the commands of the First Amendment clearly in mind,”983 it found that the defendant had not made a “true ‘threat,”’ but had indulged in mere “political hyperbole.”984

    In NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., white merchants in Claiborne County, Mississippi, sued the NAACP to recover losses caused by a boycott ... During the course of the boycott, NAACP Field Secretary Charles Evers had told an audience of “black people that any ‘uncle toms’ who broke the boycott would ‘have their necks broken’ by their own people.”986

    The Court acknowledged that this language “might have been understood as inviting an unlawful form of discipline or, at least, as intending to create a fear of violence ....”987 Yet, no violence had followed directly from Evers’ speeches, and the Court found that Evers’ “emotionally charged rhetoric . . . did not transcend the bounds of protected speech set forth in Brandenburg.*

    An advocate must be free to stimulate his audience with spontaneous and emotional appeals for unity and action in a common cause. When such appeals do not incite lawless action, they must be regarded as protected speech.”988 While holding that, under Bradenburg, Evers’ speech did not constitute unprotected incitement of lawless action,989 the Court also cited Watts, thereby implying that Evers’ speech also did not constitute a “true threat.”990

    Brandenberg * Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. Whitney v. California, 274 U. S. 357, overruled. Brandenberg VS Ohio

    *Schenck v. United States, 78 in which defendants had been convicted of seeking to disrupt recruitment of military personnel by dissemination of certain leaflets, Justice Holmes formulated the ''clear and present danger'' test which has ever since been the starting point of argument.

    ''The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree.''

    See also 'Criminal Syndicalism' and 'clear and present danger test'

  14. People have been asking this question and I'll clear it up.

    Question: How was Hal able to blog about his arrest?

    Answer: Because he knew about the warrant before he turned himself in. In misdemeanors like Hal's, the police will usually just call your house and tell you to turn yourself in. (or stop by) Hal got the call, posted the blog, and then drove down to the police station for his arrest. He probably even have time to shave and shower before going to the station.

    That's how it happened.

    More than likely, search warrants are out for anything he owns computer related.

    I am also sure that the Connecticut officials had no idea that Hal was a federal informant. There isn't a database that they can check by clicking on a name.

    Hal will claim in court he is not a flight risk, family man etc... and will get a minimal bail unless they have more than what they are telling. I think Hal is a flight risk although all the trips he posted about were faked.

    Remember with Bill White, when he got arrested, we kept saying, they've got to have more on him for such a big arrest.... and they did...

    We will see with Harold. If anything I hope this gets him sane again and starts caring about his son, wife, and mother than playing internet games involving their lives.

  15. Its protected free speech only if the accused is a leftist.

  16. You could be right, Harry, but according to the CT. Post, the charges are felonies, not misdemeanors.

    "A New Jersey man with ties to white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations was arrested on felony charges Wednesday after his Web log suggested that two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics officer should be shot."

    As to Brandenburg - I agree that the key is imminence. However, that decision has increasingly come under fire in a modern and global society with the sophistication of communication technology as has the definition of "imminent."

    Regardless of what happens with Hal or even Bill White, I think we have reached a point in history where the courts will soon have to revisit the Brandenburg decision. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. But it is going to happen.

    Let's look at this for just a second. In a criminal court, generally the judge instructs the jury as to the law and as to what is meant by "reasonable doubt."

    Setting aside any racist or anti-government sentiments that any of us have and trying to look at the case as just average, everyday, working people would you believe that Hal Turner intended for harm to come to those he targeted.

    You can bet that the prosecution will use his past broadcasts and internet posts against him. Remember - he claimed to have an army of skinheads at his disposal and that they would do his bidding.

    Remember - he advocated Timothy McVeigh style bombings.

    Remember - he claimed responsibility for the murder of Judge Joan Lefkow's family - over and over again. He wore it as a badge of honor. He bragged about it.


  17. Wholly Crap, I have never seen beating of the radical leftists thought process that freedom of speech is conditional like Anonymous just gave.

    That was a merciless beating of you radicals on this issue. And you clowns actually thought that Freedom Of Speech is Conditional.

    I would like for you people to point to just one case where it was conditional. Just ONE!

    The radical left is presently holding Bill White as a political prisoner and their objective is to make him the very first person that they were able to crack into our constitution with.

    Bill's court case will be a groundbreaking case which will determine if the fringe left have actually given the final blow to our constitution where they will take it apart piece by piece.

  18. "I think we have reached a point in history where the courts will soon have to revisit the Brandenburg decision. "--Nikki

    Yes, of course you suggest that it has to be revisited, because it protects unpopular speech like Hal's.

    "THAT decision has increasingly come under fire in a modern and global society."== Nikki

    ***Could you please define for us "modern society"?

    In my mind modern society is out of step with the Constitution, and your clamoring for us to adhere to some sort of "global" standard is disconcerting as well.

    This globalist mindset is totally alien to the American way of life.

  19. Nikki is a globalist? Who woulda thunk it? lol

  20. $25,000 bail for Hal Turner, he is contesting extradition also.

  21. Hal Turner wouldn't hurt a fly.

    Glad it was a reasonable bail. Conneticut is going to have a hard time proving their case against him.

  22. Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Rielly and those FOX people should be so categorizied - hateful incitful speech is what they are all about -

  23. LOL@!!!!

    That damn pesky ol' Constitution again.

  24. Well...he should be able to come up with the bail pretty quick. Wonder what tall tales he will spin about this little adventure?

    Speaking of updating websites - who is doing that to Hal's - Phyllis or Von?

  25. The attorney for white supremacist hate blogger Harold "Hal" Turner vowed to fight extradition today for his client, who was arrested yesterday on Connecticut charges alleging he suggested that several officials there should be shot.

    "We will be fighting extradition," Newark Attorney Michael A. Orozco said adamantly after Turner, a North Bergen resident, appeared via videolink from the Hudson County jail this morning in Central Judicial Processing Court in Jersey City.

    But fighting extradition may just buy time.

    In a case in which a defendant fights extradition, the scope of relevant issues is extremely limited, and the primary issue is whether the person in custody is in fact the person named by the demanding state, Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said.

    "It is very rare that a defendant successfully contests extradition," DeFazio said.

    Turner's wife and son were at today's hearing as Turner was seen wearing the green prison garb of the Kearny jail.

    He seemed anxious to speak but when he talked, Orozco cut him off, advising him to remain silent.

    Yesterday afternoon, Turner was arrested at the North Bergen Police Station on a fugitive from justice warrant filed by the Connecticut State Capital Police based on the Connecticut charge of inciting injury. ...CONTINUED

    Also note...

    "Rutgers Law School Professor Frank Askin, director of the Constitutional Litigation Clinic, said that based on the portions of Turner's blog he has seen, Connecticut may not have a case.

    "It's probably free speech,'' he said in an interview with The Jersey Journal. "The definition of incitement is very, very narrow under the Constitution's First Amendment."

    The legal distinction is between "advocacy" and "incitement," he said. "I think it's on the advocacy side or the line and it is protected by the First Amendment."

  26. Whatever happened to these people just hitting you with their pink purses? Now they want to take over the world and violate your first amendment rights.

  27. Hope he wins and sues the pants off those who would deprive any person of their right to expression.

    This country is going way down the tubes if a person gets arrested and extradited for writing something. 1984 and Animal Farm were not exaggerations at all.

    This is nothing but political persecution and loss of freedom. Doesn't matter what the person's personal or political views or causes are, if anyone is not allowed to express their views, that is the end of freedom and the beginning of outright political persecution in the USA.

  28. I just hope he gets out before his legions of supporters realize where he is being held. Oh, they'll just wreck the city to get him out. If these were dangerous people with dangerous followers, they wouldn't just sit in prison. Then again, they wouldn't issue countless empty threats on the web all day either. This is about like deploying a Marine Corp fire team to deal with a noisy kid and his sling shot.


    History Kike at it again. Reminder: We Know where this Jew wannabe lives.

  30. Please help Hal. We are sending him pink underwear with targets painted on the ass.

  31. Hoochie is as usual full of doggie doo doo. It isn't free speech when you threaten lives and promise violence when you don't get your way.

    If you read the Connecticut law there is little doubt that Hal has violated it.

    When you attempt to use violence to influence legislators and officers of the court (jurors) then you have crossed the line. You have become a terrorist. Both Bill White and Hal Turner need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

  32. Maybe Hal can start another earthquake. I'm not too worried about a man who was able to take on five guys all by himself - he can handle jail.

  33. WOW - things are moving quickly - I have been in touch with several law enforcement agencies - appears Hal troubles are just starting - I am hearing he is also going to be charge with making threats against three judges in Chicago area (maybe him and Bill will be cell mates).

    I have sent over to the folks in Conn. Hal history of making threats including the one made against me couple of years ago.

    Hopefully Hal will get many years in prison.

    Just think - was only a few monthes ago I took a break from "fighting racism" and both Bill and Hal have been arrested - guess there are other ways to skin a cat.


  34. It just goes to show you, Floyd. Leave communism to the state. They've spent billions of dollars on their own version of the KGB and they don't need Floyd Cockran's help. Not to be nasty but you can't do much to speed up the work of our freedom snatching government against your fellow citizens.

    On a side note: $25,000 bail? What? Was it "pick your own bail day" at the jailhouse?

  35. You should stop calling your drinking binges "taking a break from fighting racism" boy. Now go pay your bar tab Floyd, before someone gets hurt.

    Hal Turner is nothing but a con man and a snitch, still his right to free speech is all our rights. Even a drunken fag like yourself should know that Floyd.

  36. What if all the racists mount a class action law suit against everyone who has ever posted their information? Wouldn't that be a hoot? You people really have more to lose by Hal Turner and Bill White getting convicted than the movement does.

  37. real white man - your a joke - why not come says those things to my face ? 139 5th street renovo,pa.

    try to make it in the early evening as I work most mornings and days.

    if ya can't me - just ask around town almost everyone knows me.


  38. ps real white man - if you come to renovo you will find out that I smoke pot , I don't drink - havnt drank in about 5 yrs.


  39. Floyd just posted his own information. His ass is going to jail.

  40. What a juvenile and ignorant thing to say RWM.

    Actually, I have heard much the same thing about Hal and federal charges pending, Floyd. It may just be smoke - but we can dream.

    I don't see this as being about "posting information" as much as it is about encouraging violence against people whose information you post. C'mon guys - what do you think a jury would think if they saw something like this:

    [[[Here is how I will mete out justice according to the action committed:

    1) Some of you are going to get the shit beaten out of you.

    2) Others are going to be beaten to death, and finally;

    3) Others are going to have firebombs thrown through the windowsof their houses WHILE THEY ARE HOME and when they – and their familiescome out, their throats will be cut.

    I am so motivated to to physical violence to these people that I don’t even care to state my intentions publicly. Neither cops, nor Prosecutors, nor Judges will be able to stop me.

    THe U.S. Secret Service has been “monitoring” me since the year 2000because of the things I say about the President and VP

    The U.S. Marshal Service has been watching me since 1997 when Istarted make life uncomforatble for federal judges.

    The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force has had me in their sights for more than three years as have the New Jersey State Police (Office ofCounter Terrorism).

    Do you REALLY think I give a shit about AOL?

    Think again.

    Do you know why those law enforcement agencies watch me so closely? Because they KNOW I hurt people; they just can;t prove it.

    THey KNOW homes and businesses have been fire bombed becuase of me;they just can;t prove it.

    They KNOW a federal judges family was killed in Chicago because of me;they just can’t prove it.

    So you and your pals just keep fucking around. YOU TOO can become just another part of a long string of people I have “dealt” with.

    Hal Turner]]]

  41. So do we really have Floyd here talking about smoking pot? Floyd, you know that stuff will kill you.

  42. Firstly, Hal has NOT been given bail.. he hasn't even given a plea yet! Any bail application will have to be made in CT. Give one credible source for this $25,000 bail nonsense!

    Because his crimes involves giving others the signal to commit violence he will likely be treated the same as Matt Hale - no internet, no unmonitored phone calls, NO BAIL.

    After all, Hal frequently gives out encrypted communications via PGP. He has secretly left the US for the UK without going through the official channels.

    Hal, your own words got you into this mess. Your lies makes it near impossible to get bail. Get used to the prison lifestyle. Bill White will be out of prison before you will.

  43. For all that mouthing off, absolutely nothing got accomplished. Hal went to prison and not a single shot was ever fired.

    I'd feel bad for Hal. I really would. It's just a shame my memory keeps reminding me of how Hal Turner gloated over Bill White's arrest and even suggested that he had it arranged.

    "Payback's a bitch." Sure is, Hal, especially when it's karma signing the check.

  44. just because your x boy friend was a white nationalist and he dumped your sorry ass is not a valid reason to spread your own brand of hate towards all white nationalists.

  45. Hal turner is a FBI informant jew zogling anyway and who gives a shit what happens to this race traitor piece of shit jew lover.

  46. Hal could be toast !

    Just got a call from some court people in Conn.

    He contacted me asking for the audio clip of the threat Hal Turner broadcasted against me in the summer of 2007, they want it to us it , to show this is a pattern with Hal Turner threatening people.

    I gladly sent them the 3 minute mp3 so they could hear in Hal's own voice that "I was to be beaten up and sent to the hospt." when I was in New Jersey giving a anti racist message.

    There is a good possibly I will be called to give testimony in Hal's trial.


  47. """Sponge Bob Shit Pants said...
    If you read the Connecticut law there is little doubt that Hal has violated it."""

    The constitution supersedes all laws ohhh foolish one.

  48. """What a juvenile and ignorant thing to say RWM."""

    This is an interesting comment coming from a girl who thinks it is juvenile to call a drunk fudgepacker, a drunk fudgepacker but has no problems with actual criminals on this board like DeLorean as they actively are attempting a murder/rape plot.

    Nikki, start calling these looser friends of yours out or you will be smacked upside the head with 9 inches of limp dick ;-) The FBI doesn't like the criminal activity that transpires here.

    Isn't it funny how those of us here who are proud of our race are non violent activists and those here that hate the white race are violent criminals and a danger to society.

    We need to start pushing for the radical leftists to be locked up as they are the potential terrorists within our society. Obama's best friend William Ayres is a good example. So are you people.

  49. Lard Busters INC.June 05, 2009 2:38 PM

    Von/Hooch is crying like a little bitch, again. Life just isn't going the way your bitch ass thinks it should, is it racist? Imagine that.

  50. If you read the First Amendment to the United States Constitution literally it of course expressly prohibits the United States Congress or states from making laws "infringe the freedom of speech" However in practice there are many laws passed by both congress and the states that do in fact limit freedom of speech: There are many laws sending people to jail for speech. Threatening people, yelling fire in a movie theatre, and lying under oath to name just a few.

    The Connecticut law that Hal has clearly violated and been held up in federal court no less than 33 times, twice going as far as the Supreme Court of the United States (neither time did they rule but deferred to the opinions of the lower courts). Clearly Hal was not protected under the First Amendment when he threatened the lives of others, including elected officials. Don't be surprised if Hal doesn't pick up federal charges for threatening federal judges.

  51. """If you read the First Amendment to the United States Constitution literally it of course expressly prohibits the United States Congress or states from making laws "infringe the freedom of speech" """

    That's right!

    """However in practice there are many laws passed by both congress and the states that do in fact limit freedom of speech:"""

    Correct again, the liberals have been attacking the constitution for a long time. Not only freedom of speech but the freedom to bear arms. DC Gun Ban for example.

    It takes someone to blow a few hundred thousand "non refundable" dollars to legally fight and regain what freedoms have been given to us by our founding fathers.

    We need laws in place to put severe punishments on those cities or states that ILLEGALLY make laws in DIRECT VIOLATION of our CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM!

  52. AND.... We should start to PUNISH those leftist traitors or political epithets who commit acts of TREASON like EVERY single one of you radical leftists do EVERY single day when you continually S**T on our Constitution.

    """In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation. Treason is PUNISHABLE BY DEATH"""

  53. Hooch/Von cries like little bitch. Someone give him a crying towel.

  54. What the hell is a crying towel looser?

  55. A call to all Conservatives from the Liberals.

    """Just give your freedom up. Don't worry about it, don't talk about it, don't fight it. Just bend over and let the corrupt government give it to you up the a** like we do. Who cares if all of the politicians are on the "gravy train", they deserve to be. After all, big daddy knows best. We have a loving government and one must learn to love thy government.

    We don't believe in God as we are atheists so we don't buy into the whole "God didn't put me on this planet to be controlled by any government" stuff.

    Government is what brings happiness to life. Love thy government as they love you."""

  56. Yeah Hooch/Blevins is the crying baby in the history of the Internet. Pretty damn stupid as well. LOL

    The age of Obama is here bitch. You are history. YES WE CAN, BITCH. YES WE CAN.

  57. While I despise Hal Turner's opportunism and hucksterism, I too intend to close ranks around him, not only in deference to his previous activism, which was more productive, but also because he is a racially-conscious White man being railroaded in the same fashion as Bill White. The system is picking us off one at a time, and speaking out on Turner's behalf will demonstrate to the system that there is a resistance.

    Defending our race does not require us to personally like all our activists. It simply requires that we close ranks whenever one of us is targeted. I commend the large numbers of VNN Forum members who are setting aside their distaste for Hal to speak out for him.

  58. Close ranks all you want. It matters very little. Hal is a criminal that has broke the law. He should have been locked up long ago. Under the Patriot Act he is a terrorist and has made terrorist threats. He deserves a long prison sentence.

  59. Under the Patriot Act all of you radical leftists are terrorists.

    And no law means anything that breaks the ultimate laws of the Constitution as it was illegal upon itself.

    Like it or leave those of you who are suffering from the liberal sickness.

    I don't like Hal either because he is a lying sack of shit but I will stick by any fellow American who is having their Constitutional freedom stripped from them. Any American. That includes your leftist freaks as well.

  60. while the WN movement needs some public spokes-people like, for instance, Tom Metzger, David Duke and the late Dr William Pierce, the time for "words" is pretty much over!

    only bombs & bullets effect real, lasting, change!

    i can't really comment on whether or not this particular incident involving HT is genuine...but: if it was, the last place WNs should go to voluntarily is a ZOG-bot police station or jewBI "office".....rather, they should "go out" like that young Polish lad....guns blazing...taking as many of the ZOG maggots with them as possible!

  61. You are a coward, Artie/Jimbo. You didn't go out guns blazing when they took you off to prison. You went in like a bitch and was repeatedly ass raped. Piss off, coward.

  62. you'v got me "mixed up" with some-one else, you stoopid fckn blonk!

    i'v never been in prison in the 'Kwa because i'v never been to the 'Kwa, period!

  63. The only trouble with Hooch's diatribe.....well it's crao. Whether he is calling himself Hooch or VonBluvens he is full of crap and mentally unstable. So danged crazy he has no clue about reality. Hal is a criminal and as others said a terrorist. You reap what you sow.

    GALATIANS 6: 7-9 (KJV)
    7: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    It's been a long time coming for Harold Turner and long over due. Maybe after this Hal Turner and his fellow terrorist Bill White will get right with Jesus and stop sowing hate. Until that time both deserve to be full prosecuted under the law.

  64. Yeah Jimbo is that idiot Artie. Makes the same damn spelling mistakes and is cluelessly stupid in the same way as well.

  65. Maybe after this Hal Turner and his fellow terrorist Bill White will get right with Jesus and stop sowing hate

    uh....weren't most of the early church fathers and reformers (including Martin Luther) virulent anti-semites and, hence, "haters"?

    a mystery, itz!

    Until that time both deserve to be full prosecuted under the law

    if jews were "put on trial", in a properly constituted and fair court-system, most would get the death penalty....same goes for most niggaz too!

  66. I wish your mongrel mommy would have taken a coat hanger to your when you were still in the womb, Artie/Jimbo. You are stupid, boy.

  67. FCK off!, nigga!

    yr not even worth the price of a bullet!

    i'll rip yr bloody arms off & beat you to death with the wet end!

    u maggot!

  68. W,wait. Chris Drake is still around. I thought he got tazered!

  69. Ping Nikki: Do you have any of the old VonBluvens shows? I think we should send them to the police so we can get Terrorist Blevins locked up as well! I've already sent the ones of Linder threatening the lives of prominent Jews.

  70. Here comes frog-man Burks spewing the bible quotes.....LOL! This IS the tard corral!!!

  71. Close ranks around Hal - please! And...send him money! LOTS OF MONEY! Help him make bail and help him do a show or two - I can hardly wait to hear the spin he puts on this!

    So...all, oh, two or three hundred of you...close ranks!

  72. Personally, I think anyone who sends Hal money should be prosecuted for financing terrorism. Put all these tards in jail then we would have a proper tard corral. Getting Blevins is a good idea but getting Matthew Ramsey is a better one. I am going to start sending the FBI links and examples of hate speech the way I did Hal. Oregon has some interesting hate speech laws as well.

    For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I count them mine enemies.
    (Psalm 139:19-22)

  73. These idiots make it seem that only white surpemacist are being arrested for his kind of stuff.

    A simple google news search shows link

    Shows dozens get arrested each day for what Hal Turner & Bill White do. Making threats.

  74. Yes, let's get Ramsey and Blevins and Schoep. The terrorists are among us.

  75. Blevins should be easy to get. Anyone got any of the old Vonbluven's shows?

  76. How come Daryl Lamont Jenkins can have a hit list on One Peoples Project and still walk around free?

  77. You don't get it, it's protected speech only if the accused is a leftist.

  78. There are hate crime laws but there are no hate SPEECH laws-yet.

  79. What about this thread started by Alex Linder?

  80. I read that thread a little earlier and was very happy that someone bumped it back up.

  81. Fuck off Hooch and your cry baby bullshit. You break the law and you gotta pay whether you are left or right, dickweed. God I hope Hal and Bill are getting raped right now.

  82. Yes, the only thing that Hooch has ever proven is that he is a liar, a racist and is too stupid to realize the depths of his stupidity.

    It's fun to get him flustered and watch him make an ass out of himself. He Hooch tell us again about Obama being born outside the US. LOL

  83. You want to know what your looser of a president is doing, OK, Fine. I will tell you via an article that I wrote a few days ago. To sum it up, he is doing absolutely nothing.

    The Big Secret Behind the Economic Crisis

    I can’t tell you how many times I have heard a statement like this as the root cause of the economic depression.

    """The BLAME is on the people and businesses that LOANED or BORROWED TRILLIONS. The blame lies with people who lived WAY WAY WAY beyond thier means. This happened ACROSS THE PLANET."""

    So the people in every single country across the planet, with exception of OPEC countries, all borrowed too much money over the same years and they all happened to crumble at the exact same time. This is called liberal economics which only comes out of the mouth of those who don’t know what they are talking about.

    This is a claim that the leftist media gives and those sheep who follow them baaaaleeeeevigng that they know what they are talking about. As if the liberal media “television personalities” are economic experts while they are doing nothing more than parroting the government media complex and telling a preconceived logical story that they want the world to know.

    Leftist’s philosophy and economics do not go hand and hand. Saying the word liberal and economics in the same sentence is quite comical and the liberal media is not a wise selection for your economic truths.

    Now lets get to the real root cause of the economic meltdown, which is the increase in the cost of a barrel of oil. You say, how could oil have anything to do with the banking crisis or the mortgage meltdown or the automotive industry collapse, etc. Stop, don’t leave me here. Lets look at this from a standpoint of reason and logic, which is missing in the leftist distorted form of economics.

    There are certain things that man today cannot go without. They include water, food, gasoline, shelter, and energy in that order. If you break a person down to a dire financial situation the number one priority is water and food for survival. Man will inherently do what it takes to survive and if all options are exhausted he will pick water and food over shelter, gasoline and standard energy.

    So you may say why does gasoline come before shelter. One must get to work to buy the food that is needed for survival. Worst-case scenario a person could live in a tent or in their car. Sure the pride is smacked around a little in this situation but coworkers don’t necessarily need to know your living situation. Imagine the punch to your pride from showing up to work on a bus in a small city where mass transit is not a standard way of transportation as it is in NYC. Or spending an extra couple of hours each day waiting around for the bus and modifying your work schedule based on the bus schedule.

    How about those who do not have bus transportation to work? We live in a society today that most people could not easily walk or ride a bike to work.

  84. Here is another statement from the liberal media taking a different turn.

    “””It is now fairly established that the recent crisis in US sub-prime housing market is the primary reason behind the global economic melt-down.”””

    Now lets get back to the rising costs of gasoline and it’s effects on the US sub-prime housing market. The decision of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was to increase the cost of oil similar to what they did during the Oil Embargo of 1973-74. Oil is used in everything from planes, cars, tanks, fertilizer, drugs, plastics, etc, etc, etc. It is also used in the method of transportation to get food and all other products to stores. Increase the price of oil and you increase the costs of all goods.

    Currently OPEC consists of Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Basically a bunch of countries that have faired pretty well through this economic crisis until just recently when oil prices started to fall. This is why OPEC got back together a couple of weeks ago to decide if they are ready for another cash pump into their economies. Other non OPEC producers are countries like Mexico, Norway and Russia which often go by OPEC’s position of the day.

    A little history. In 1973 on the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur, Israel was surrounded. Egypt attacked from one side at the same time Syrians surprise attacked from the other. With help of the western states, Israli troops quickly outflanked them all and later a cease-fire was established. But on October 17th, OPEC struck back by imposing an Oil Embargo on the US and all other westerners that supported Israel.

    The exact same thing has happened today with our war that the Muslims feel is a war on Islam.

    Here’s the answer to “the speculators created the crisis” statement. You are probably thinking, how did Wall Street respond during the embargo? The exact same way they responded today. Speculators (investors) bought oil contributing to the crisis but they did not create the crisis. Just as the banks gave risky loans that contributed to the crisis but did not create the crisis. The 1973-74 Oil Embargo ended up being the middle of the great bear market that would see the Dow go from it’s high of 1051 in 1973 to 577 by the end of 1974 or a whopping 45% decline in almost 2 years! That’s right, the economy collapsed due to the Oil Embargo.

    The federal government is fully aware of this. They are not stupid. They have intentionally created “stories” based on what seems to be “logical” reasons for the crisis via their “economic experts”. They feed these “stories” to the nonfunctional mass media that parrot these “stories” for the crisis as a means to not tell the world and the Middle East that the oil producing countries in all actuality are in complete control of our economy. Would you tell OPEC that they have you by the family jewels and there is nothing that you can do about it?

  85. Now how does that have anything to do with the US sub-prime housing market? By it’s own definition, sub-prime loans are loans given to borrowers who would not ordinarily qualify for credit if customary underwriting standards were applied. In trade for the risk comes a higher interest rate.

    The banks for the most part lent money to people who could afford to repay their debt. But they could BARELY repay it. They were risky to lend to. They were paycheck to paycheck after a loan. But they had been determined to be able to pay the debt. Just not to have anything left over.

    Now add the radical jump in the cost of gasoline and an additional $300 in costs of gas per month to someone who is paycheck to paycheck. Now add the increase in the costs of goods and food adding another $200 dollars to their monthly budget and what does the scenario look like. So what comes first for survival? Food or mortgage? Gas or Mortgage? Gas or Food? Human instincts made the logical decision. You have to eat and that is a number one priority. And you have to get to work so you will be able to eat.

    Those who were not sub-prime were not affected to the same degree, as there was a margin of error built in. But as crisis continues it’s ripple effect spreads throughout all income levels, businesses and the rest of the world. But the United States crisis was not entirely the direct result of other countries economic crisis. Oil was. The domino effect. The increase of the cost of gas and everything else related to it, knocked the legs right out from the world economy.

    Now we have the automotive industry crash. The auto industry works within some very tight constraints when it comes to their return on investment. Contributing factors include poor investment decisions by the executives and the crushing force of the unions.

    How could a company survive when they have to pay their workers 123% more in wages than the average manufacturing worker? Compare their salary to state college professors. What exactly is so special about assembly line work? Most of them have nothing more than a high school degree.

    $75 is the average cost per hour of an autoworker. That is based on a 40 hour work week - with overtime this figure gets even more ridiculous.

    $1,500 to $2,000 of every car goes to pay the health care costs and benefits of UAW employees.

    GM pays $17 Million dollars a year for Viagra

    Quite simply put, how can a guy who makes $15 dollars an hour pay for a car that is made by a guy who makes $75 dollars an hour? Especially when he was paycheck to paycheck prior to the economic meltdown which created a dire eat or pay your mortgage situation for him.

    So the question now is, how exactly has Bush’s multi billion and Obama’s multi trillion dollar bailouts helped eliminate our dependence on foreign oil? How much went to useless social programs? How much paid for the Band-aids to cover the wound but not actually fix it? I would be willing to bet that almost all of it did. And, If we spent every penny of the trillions taken from the American tax payer on developing energy solutions would we have been able to completely eliminate our dependence on oil imports?

  86. Wow! You know what is sweet? Hooch whining. I love to hear idiots like him whine. Because I know if a wrong minded log cabin GOP retard like Hooch is whining then something is going right in the world!

    The Republican party has doomed itself by going farther and farther to the right. We are going to have Dem presidents for a long time to come. Hillary will follow eight years of Obama. The last time the Republicans trashed the economy (see Great Depression) we had Dem's in the oval office for 20 years! This time it might be longer. What a great time to be ALIVE!

  87. Hal Turner has hired a Mexican lawyer to defend himself. As you should know, Hal's wife is 100 percent hispanic and Hal lives only among hispanics.

  88. I am making a CD of all the fucked up things Hal said about Hispanic. I am going to send it to his Attorney. LOL

    I wonder how many times Hal was ass fucked today? I hope DeLorean exercises his freedom of speech to tell Hal's (and Bill's) cell mates about their racist views.My general feeling about Hal and Bill being locked away

  89. """The Republican party has doomed itself by going farther and farther to the right."""

    So the Republican party went further to the right with McCain, huh? You're a complete moron.


    Turner, 47, is being held in the Hudson County Correctional Center in New Jersey on a fugitive from justice warrant, accused of inciting his followers to “take up arms” against state Rep. Michael Lawlor, D-East Haven, state Sen. Andrew McDonald, D-Stamford, and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Commission.

    In July 2007, however, Turner, who has been labeled an anti-Semite and a white supremacist by the Southern Poverty Law Center, set his sights on New Haven.

    He urged listeners to take violent action against illegal immigrants in New Haven, as well as Mayor John DeStefano Jr. and city lawmakers, over the Elm City ID card that was available to all residents, regardless of legal status.

    Summer 2007 was a tense time in New Haven, after several dozen immigrants were arrested by federal immigration agents and the ID program went into effect. The program focused the national spotlight on the city’s welcoming approach to illegal immigrants; hundreds lined up daily at City Hall to apply for it.

    “Perfect opportunity for drive-by shooting using a machine gun! I would laugh if a slew of patriots got in their cars, drove up to the New Haven Municpal Building with machine guns and ammunition, and opened fire on the lines of Illegal Aliens standing there,” Turner wrote on his blog.

    “In my opinion, the illegal aliens deserve to be killed and so does the Mayor and City Council of New Haven Connecticut for siding with the illegals,” his July 27, 2007, blog says.

    Connecticut Homeland Security czar James Thomas cited Turner’s violent messages as the reason New Haven officials should not release names and addresses of Elm City ID cardholders. The state Freedom of Information Commission ultimately agreed with Thomas.

  91. The arrest warrant, obtained by the state Capitol Police Department, charges him with inciting injury to persons or property.

    In order for the charge to stick, Connecticut will have to show Turner was encouraging others to inflict harm on the state officials, that the harm was imminent and that he meant it. The statute in question has been challenged in the past, but courts have upheld it.

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  93. Nikki supports this criminal behavior just like all of the rest of you radical leftists do so as you keep your lips zipped or outright encourage him.

    You will ALL be charged as accomplices to rape and murder if anything happens to Turner. The FBI will quickly investigate and trace the cause once Delorean gets his murder/rape that he has been attempting.

  94. Hooch - you know better than that so don't even go there.

    DeLorean - while I find Turner and White's ideology reprehensible, I have told you before that I do not condone or support anything that could result in violence being perpetrated against them.

    Regardless of how I feel about their views, regardless of the fact that both of these men have advocated violence on others - being like them doesn't help to make this world a better place.

  95. Nikki, I am a White racialist and I am glad to see Bill White and Hal Turner in jail and going to be prosecuted. I don't advocate violence to get an IDEA across. Those two deserve everything they get.

  96. Another good thing to do to Hal is to send him bogus checks. I print them up on my computer under fake names with false routing numbers. They don't cash and Hal's account is charge $25 each time.

  97. Bill White and Hal Turner have made a lot of enemies on both sides of the fence. They are deceitful attention whores who have advocated violence against a number of people who they either don't like or disagree with - racist and anti-racist alike.

    Both of these men are of questionable character and it could be argued that both have done great harm to the white nationalist community in their efforts to gain notoriety.

    It will always amaze me that there are those who still don't see that.

    However, attempting to manipulate others to violently act against either of these men is placing yourself in a position of no greater stature than they. Should violence come to them, what would be gained? Knowing the white nationalist community, they would be martyrized. There would be no vindication in that.

    Regardless of their past transgressions, they are due their day in court. They deserve a fair trial and a determination as to their future by a jury or a judge. Fortunately, neither of these people killed anyone. Although, to hear Hal tell it - he has a few notches in his belt. Uh...huh.

    Rising above the trash-heap is always better than digging deeper into the fetid stench of the garbage.

  98. Hal like maybe killed sperm cells in his shower on a regular basis. Other than that self doubts little fat man's ability to kill or get away with it. Note the ease he was caught. It also brings up an more interesting question. If the police called him in to discussion death threats on Hal's person this must mean Hal had reported said death threats. Hummm I guess Hal thinks it is okay for him to issue death threats but not okay for others to do the same to him.

  99. Purdy speech, Nikki. Now can we get back to the plans on how to get Hal ass raped? LOL

  100. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can threaten people's lives when you don't agree with them. Hal is just where he needs to be, it is long over due.

    Is his bond 250,000 or 25,000? I hope he spends a good long time in lock up. It is what he needs. Maybe when he gets out he think first before running his fat mouth. God job Connecticut.

  101. "In order for the charge to stick, Connecticut will have to show Turner was encouraging others to inflict harm on the state officials, that the harm was imminent and that he meant it. The statute in question has been challenged in the past, but courts have upheld it."--Nikki

    I am glad you recognize this. I don't think this case rises to the "clear and present danger" test or the "imminent harm" test.

    If I was him I would opt for a trial by judge rather than jury, since it it easy to manipulate the jury (and most of them are the product of a dumbed down society).

  102. It is an open and shut case. Hal's best bet is to plea bargain.

  103. """DeLorean - while I find Turner and White's ideology reprehensible, I have told you before that I do not condone or support anything that could result in violence being perpetrated against them."""

    Thank You Nikki!

    """Anonymous said...
    Nikki....glad to see Bill White and Hal Turner in jail and going to be prosecuted. I don't advocate violence to get an IDEA across."""

    Neither did they fool. What, do you think they have a God gifted power to say jump off a bridge and the people drop?

    """Anonymous is Legion l is to send him bogus checks. I print them up on my computer under fake names with false routing numbers. """

    You liberals are just full of crimes, aren't you? That one will get you many years in the clink. Nice friends Nikki!

    """Purdy speech, Nikki. Now can we get back to the plans on how to get Hal ass raped? LOL"""

    I can't believe that you can even find common ground with losers like this Nikki.

  104. A loser like Hooch calling others losers? Oh my god I don't think if I live to be a 120 will I see something quite so ironic.

    You calling me out Floyd you little pussy? Better be careful boy, a 98 lb weakling like yourself might get more than sand kicked in his face.

  105. Self is the only one here who sees the hypocrisy of Hoochie? When Bill White and Hal Turner does it, threatens the very lives of others it is okay. Hoochie thinks that is great but when it is DeLorean doing it Hoochie cries like a child. Kindly shut your fat pie hole, Hoochie you damn cry baby.

  106. Quick someone get this to Hal, he may need it to survive!

    How to Avoid Prison Rape

  107. """A Real White Man said...A loser like Hooch calling others losers? Oh my god I don't think if I live to be a 120 will I see something quite so ironic."""

    Fuck off wigger.

  108. Your mother is a wigger, Von/Hooch and the daughter you raped too, bitch.

  109. This is a great read for my fellow conservatives.

    And, piss off Chris Drake impersonator.

  110. Hey cry baby Hooch/Von why don't you just consult a astrologer, you know the way Reagan did. God conservatives suck or probably just Hooch/Von.

  111. Sometimes nationalists have their dreams come true, too:

    History made as voters propel British National Party into mainstream

    British National Party chief Nick Griffin has made history and proved the effectiveness of his modern, progressive nationalist approach, leading his party to two phenomenal wins at the ballot box in the European Union elections. The British National Party has won its second seat in the European parliament with the election of party leader Nick Griffin as Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for the North West region of England.

    This enormous victory was won solely on the hard work, faith and generosity of ordinary people in the face of an orchestrated and well funded campaign that saw physical violence against patriots and daily media attacks on the BNP. Yet in nearly every vote count, the BNP managed to increase their vote share, and now with MEPs the BNP has entered the political mainstream, no matter how much their opponents don't like it.

    And like it they don't. Like spoiled children, the other winning candidates actually stormed off the stage in order to not have to share it with Griffin as he spoke at the poll results announcement ceremony. Earlier, Griffin's entourage was attacked by leftist crazies as he attempted to enter the Manchester city hall to be present for the results. The behavior of the "mainstream" and left and the shock of the Establishment only adds to the pleasure of the win.

    In the EU parliament the new BNP MEPs will join their nationalist colleagues from across Europe in what is only the beginning of a struggle to take back our homelands.

    Our heartfelt congratulations go to Nick Griffin, his fellow new MEP Andrew Brons, and the courageous men and women of the BNP whose hard work and dedication have given the English speaking world the greatest electoral win ever seen.

  112. Forget about Turner; he's a joke. Those blokes over in Europe are taking power the RIGHT way: legally.

    They're doing it despite physical violence, social stigma, and overwhelming opposition from the forces of "tolerance". They're doing it despite having the most draconian "speech laws" known anywhere in the Free World. They're doing it despite the opprobrium of the entire mainstream media.

    Yes, despite all the hatred and vengeance poured at us, the Nationalists of Europe still made the most significant gains EVER in the EU elections.

    So keep up your private war guys. You only discredit the losers. Not too hard to throw a spitwad at Turner and most of your other targets. In fact, it is to our distinct advantage that you do so.

    Don't ever get too confident in always having the upper hand.

    "The People of Europe Live!"

  113. Much Agreed. The BNP is an outstanding political organization!

  114. BNP won through a fluke they will be out next election and will not matter while they are in. Oh isn't it cute when Hooch/Von follows up and agrees with himself? LOL

  115. Damn Hal is out. Oh well, bet he goes whoooooosh now when he farts! LOL

  116. "BNP won through a fluke they will be out next election and will not matter while they are in. Oh isn't it cute when Hooch/Von follows up and agrees with himself? LOL"--Moron


    EVERY nationalist party gained in the EU elections, with the exception of Belgium and France. And France only had a poor showing because Sarko's phony "conservative" party drew votes away.

    Even the most die-hard Reds are hanging their heads admitting that the nationalist parties were the big winners this year.

  117. Hal and his puerto rican lawyer... I have been telling you for 6 years that Hal's wife was Puetro Rican, the entire family goes to a latino church, Hal, his wife, and child all speak fluent spanish etc... and Hal is a total fake WN.

  118. Hal Turner announces he is going to SUE Connecticut! I told you all Hal will come out rich after all of this!!

    "Turner says he will defeat Connecticut then sue them for false arrest, false imprisonment, deprivation of Constitutional rights under color of law and libel for falsely calling him a fugitive from justice."

  119. Connecticut tax payers are going to loose millions in tax paid dollars fighting this and the politicians will pay for it with their jobs if they don't find ways to remove those behind this from theirs.

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  121. Hal says a lot of things, very few of them come true. Filing suit on the justice system of a state while legally possible doesn't have a high rate of sucess. Hal will never see a penny. Hal better stock up on K-Y because his crimes carry a mandatory minimum one year in jail.

  122. """Hal will never see a penny. Hal better stock up on K-Y because his crimes carry a mandatory minimum one year in jail."""

    Hence, DeLorean should stock up on KY as well.

  123. Turner is out of jail!

    Tuesday, June 09, 2009
    Turner Released from Jail!

    Jersey City & Kearny, NJ (TRN Staff) -- At a 3:30 PM hearing held yesterday in the Superior Court of New Jersey at 595 Newark Avenue, Jersey City, the Honorable Judge Kevin Callahan ordered that Hal Turner be freed on bail. At about 2:30 AM Tuesday morning, Turner was released from jail after posting $25,000 bail.

    Turner had been held without bail at the Hudson County Correctional Center in Kearny, NJ after the State of Connecticut filed criminal charges against him over an opinion Turner expressed on this blog.

    The opinion was uttered in New Jersey. At no time relevant to the criminal charge was Turner in Connecticut and no time did he contact any individual person in Connecticut. The unedited, original opinion which generated the arrest was titled "State Restricts Catholics from Politics" and remains available to the public lower on this page

    Panicked Prosecutors rush to change charges

  124. NIM--

    They have to PROVE he committed a crime first.

    I think Hal has an excellent chance of not being convicted of these charges.

  125. I said he'd be out in 48 hours so I was off by a few days. Hal is very buddy-buddy with the feds and I knew he wouldn't spend long in the can. Its highly doubtful that he'll see the inside of a prison cell for a very long time, if ever. Now is a good time to compare the Bill White case and the Turner case.

  126. vonbluvens has totally lost it. Von's prayer for Hal and the "dissidents":

    Pray for Hal Turner...


    I am asking believers to pray for Hal Turner and all of those currently persecuted because they are dissidents for our people. Copy and distribute to friends if you desire. I believe only God can help us now.

    Meditate on Lamentations 5 because this is OUR LAMENT:

    Lamentations 5
    1 Remember, O LORD, what has happened to us;
    look, and see our disgrace.

    2 Our inheritance has been turned over to aliens,
    our homes to foreigners.

    3 We have become orphans and fatherless,
    our mothers like widows.

    4 We must buy the water we drink;
    our wood can be had only at a price.

    5 Those who pursue us are at our heels;
    we are weary and find no rest.

    6 We submitted to Egypt and Assyria
    to get enough bread.

    7 Our fathers sinned and are no more,
    and we bear their punishment.

    8 Slaves rule over us,
    and there is none to free us from their hands.

    9 We get our bread at the risk of our lives
    because of the sword in the desert.

    10 Our skin is hot as an oven,
    feverish from hunger.

    11 Women have been ravished in Zion,
    and virgins in the towns of Judah.

    12 Princes have been hung up by their hands;
    elders are shown no respect.

    13 Young men toil at the millstones;
    boys stagger under loads of wood.

    14 The elders are gone from the city gate;
    the young men have stopped their music.

    15 Joy is gone from our hearts;
    our dancing has turned to mourning.

    16 The crown has fallen from our head.
    Woe to us, for we have sinned!

    17 Because of this our hearts are faint,
    because of these things our eyes grow dim

    18 for Mount Zion, which lies desolate,
    with jackals prowling over it.

    19 You, O LORD, reign forever;
    your throne endures from generation to generation.

    20 Why do you always forget us?
    Why do you forsake us so long?

    21 Restore us to yourself, O LORD, that we may return;
    renew our days as of old

    22 unless you have utterly rejected us
    and are angry with us beyond measure.

    Hear our prayer, Lord.

  127. LOL, What do you think about that you homos? He's locked up, he'll never get out, he's facing 10 years bla bla bla.

    Shows how much you clowns know what you're talking about.

    LOL, I just found out who Sponge Bob Shit Pants Is

    (shhh, he looks like big birds illegitimate child)

    Sorry :-( that was mean.

  128. Hey basement commando,

    Your mother is a totally cool Christian. She was one of the nicest host when I visited with your family. Your father too, was a gentleman.

    I cannot fathom how such good people could spawn such an asshole as you. What the hell is wrong with you? Has your impotency problem returned and causing you to be a total jerk? Medicines have helped me. It could also help you.

    You know who


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