Thursday, October 23, 2008

OFFENSIVE BILL WHITE


Every once in awhile a comment finds its way to this blog that is worthy of discussion in a more public arena and the post submitted by silentconsort is, I believe, deserving of such a discussion. He offers the following:

The problem with nailing BW to the multi-culti cross is he didn't actually DO anything. Sure, maybe he pushed the envelope with the magazine, and while he might have thought that was great timing and in-your-face imagery, perhaps it wasn't the wisest move in light of general election paranoia and especially this one.

What the feds are trying to do is get him on the context of the situation- even though no actual crime has been committed that I am aware of. No one has been physically harmed and no direct threats made. Can you lock someone up for simply being offensive in America? Are they trying to equate offensive with actual danger?

Given BW's background as a far-left radical type, it doesn't surprise me he likes to push limits. The uniforms,the site, the attitude are in-your-face. The attitude on the audio- while certainly knowledgeable about many topics, is also at times somewhat full of himself.

While it is true that anyone who isn't cheering for open-borders and erasure of culture that is happening in the USA gets called an EvilNaziRacistHater,the part that does surprise me is that it was he that was targeted- not to mention the timing of the magazine, the 9/11 posting and subsequent arrest, which leads me to believe he came under scrutiny through candidate security , then someone found the post and decided to make something of it. Feds are not going to wait 6 years and then use a simple post of personal information, juror or not, if they really wanted White- what surprises me is that he was actually looked at by many in nationalism as kind of being sensational and to expect what he wrote would usually be embellished, to make a tale more interesting or forum gab-worthy,what is called in some circles a political 'gad-fly'. Makes a lot of noise, sometimes even embarrassingly so, but is basically harmless. That is the surprising part, though it shouldn't be.

In any cause, it is easy to slip into a kind of solipsism, and not be able to see how outside forces view the same thing. I don't believe they have a real case here, but I am sure in the interest of trying to shut down unpopular speech, they will trump up the charges and make White out to be this scary, sinister character that one can quite clearly hear he is not when listening to the audios.

In the land where Mary Winkler can shoot her husband, get 7 MONTHS, and then get her 3 kids back, in the land where being an accessory to a double murder carries just 9 years per life (and will probably not even serve that) for Christian/Newsom killings, in the land where a white 7 year old gets a skull fracture and is left unconscious by classmates and the school doesn't apologize says a 7 year old is 'no innocent bystander' when outnumbered and outgunned...... can we really afford to lock up someone for making site posts because we don't like what they say, because of how they dress, their political ideals? A very slippery slope.

BW, while he may be known, and either respected or laughed at or hated, depending on what side of the fence one is on (and sometimes not!), he has not caused actual physical harm. Part of the whole multi-culti white privilege deal is always wanting everything to be equal and fair, is it not? is it 'fair' and 'just' to hang BW's body from the scaffold just so you can say "nyah nyah, we won" just because you don't like him, how he comes across, his friends, his site, his clothes, his brand of nationalism, politics, etc?

I know NN and FC have had an internet 'hard-on' for BW for a long time-but think back to what I said about what is Actually Fair and Right as far as realizing that Nothing Happened as far as this particular case is concerned. No harm was done. See if you can separate the personal grudge and the 'nyah nyah' factor from what is right, regardless of your personal feelings about White.
October 23, 2008 4:30 PM
MY RESPONSE

First, let me say thank you for the well-thought-out post. Sometimes we all should be challenged to step back and take a look at things - assess our motives - and spend some time in introspection.

I have an admission to make. When Matt Hale was first arrested I was elated. And then the indictment came across my desk. As I read through the charges, I shook my head and thought, “this will not hold up in court.”

I contacted a couple of people who I know and who possess much greater understanding of such things and was told not to worry. They assured me that the government had a solid case against Hale and that all that was found in the indictment was only what they needed to bring about an arrest. Even with these assurances, I was still unconvinced.

However, as the entire process began to move forward, additional charges were brought and eye-opening evidence and testimony came forth with each new motion filed.

In the case of Matthew Hale, it is no secret that he had been under investigation for years. From the time of the Benjamin Smith shooting spree in July of 1999, the government wanted to nail him. Many believed and still do, myself included, that Smith acted under orders, implied or overt, from Hale.

Matt knew he was being watched. He knew that law-enforcement wanted nothing more than to put him in prison but because of his insatiable need for attention and acceptance, he was unable to reign in his manipulative nature and to further his believes through legal means.

Once he came to trial – I believed he would be found guilty and that he would be sentenced to, perhaps, 20 years. He got 40.

Now, with Hale, he was being considered a domestic terrorist – and one could argue that the sentence was excessive given the claim that silentconsort makes in reference to Bill White that no one had been harmed and he didn’t really DO anything. But, is that true?

Like Hale, Bill White has been under investigation for a very long time. This is not something that just popped up in the last few months. Bill knew that – he even wrote about it time and time again.

Also, like Hale, he couldn’t help himself. Just as the federal government built a case against Hale, I suspect, they have built a case against White. They have, undoubtedly, cultivated witnesses and perhaps even utilized informants to bring this thing to fruition. Of course, I’m speculating as it is way too soon to know everything.

Those things being said, the questions that arise in the post made here, are viable and worthy of consideration, for certain. SC asks, “Can you lock someone up for simply being offensive in America? Are they trying to equate offensive with actual danger?”

Within the system of the law a jury in a criminal case is asked to find guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt,” and I think that is the key here. All of this will hinge on what a jury believes is “reasonable.” Is it “reasonable” for the average person to believe that they were in danger when a neo-Nazi, with a following, regardless of how bogus his inflated numbers were, published their home addresses, places of employment, personal information on their family members, etc. and encouraged other neo-Nazi’s to pay them a visit, extract justice, lynch them, or otherwise murder them?

Personally, I think, given the hideous things posted by Bill White on his website that most responsible jurors would think that it is “reasonable” to believe that he placed many, many people in “actual danger.”

Additionally, I find the use of the word “offensive” a gross understatement of what was published on Overthrow.com. Using racial epithets, excessive cursing, pornography, etc. might all fall under the definition of “offensive,” but calling for the assassination, the lynching, or the murder of another individual, goes way beyond being merely “offensive.”

Even as a “far-left radical type” as the author has dubbed him, White was given to superfluous buffoonery and a “pushing of the envelope” as indicated. However, he has also long been considered unstable and dangerous by many on all points of the political continuum. For me, the surprise has been in his ability to garner any semblance of a following, albeit always short-lived.

Attempts to characterize calls for violence as mere hate-speech is to be expected among those who went from racists to racialists and Nazi’s to Nationalists and is pretty characteristic of the grooming school of white supremacists run by Don Black and known as Stormfront. Euphemisms such as these do not diminish the fact that those who engage in the kinds of reprehensible behaviors associated with Matt Hale and Bill White always seem to find themselves on the outside of our society looking in.

Yes, there are injustices in this world. And yes, there are inequalities. Bad things happen to good people and there are way too many victims. However, the argument that “nothing happened” or “he didn’t do anything” doesn’t wash here. By that logic, the authorities should have stood by and waited for one of his targets to be killed. There have been victims of Bill White’s reign of terror – and believe me that is precisely what it was to those who felt the wrath of his hate.

Ask anyone of his many targets how the fear affected them. Tell me that anyone should have to fear for his safety or that of his family, should have to look over his shoulder every minute, should wonder and worry that he may be in the crosshairs of some unstable Nazi who hates him just because of the color of his skin or his religion or sexual orientation. Tell me those people aren’t victims.

And, what about the ones who were the inadvertent targets? The ones who simply had their addresses published because they had the same last name as his intended target? Or the ones who simply worked at the Roanoke Times and didn’t even have the foggiest idea of who Bill White was? What about the people who got threatening letters from the ANSWP because they were black? These were all victims of Bill White.

At the same time you worry about his rights and the freedoms of people in this county, Bill White’s solution is that if he doesn’t like what they say – silence them. Kill them. Shut them the hell up. Scare them, intimidate them, trample their rights, at any cost. Yet, he didn’t DO anything.


What other evidence the government might have on White is still to be divulged. Surely there is more to come. The only real outrage I feel at the moment – the only injustice that I can see in all of this is that there is someone else out there just as guilty of the same things as Bill White and he has yet to be dealt with. Hal Turner has consistently engaged in the same sort of egregious behavior as Bill White – and perhaps even more prolifically. To this day he still credits his postings as the catalyst to the Lefkow murders. Yet, he is allowed to continue. That’s not justice.

Contrary to what silentconsort proffers, this is not about personal grudges or personal feelings about Bill White. I agree, right is right. If a case cannot be made against White, then I will say shame on the entity that arrested him. But, having been down this road before, I’m not going to count the feds out at this point.

I believe that Bill White is clinically insane. I really do. If he isn’t tried and convicted then, at the very least, I hope that he is evaluated and placed somewhere where he can receive the treatment I believe that he needs. But, most importantly, I hope that no one ever has to be victimized by White again.

56 comments:

  1. At the same time you worry about his rights and the freedoms of people in this county, Bill White’s solution is that if he doesn’t like what they say – silence them. Kill them. Shut them the hell up. Scare them, intimidate them, trample their rights, at any cost. Yet, he didn’t DO anything.--N.Nichols

    Comrade Nikki,

    This is exactly what the committed young communists of the Antifa movement advocate, as well. After all, who torched Zundel's house? Who threatened to burn out Paul Fromm? Who alwways committs maximum violence at street demonstrations? Who circulated flyers showing how to make molotov cocktails? Who posts the address and info of Right Wing activists all over the net and gets away with it (because, in reality, they actually help prop up the system they claim to so despise)?

    Bolshevics should NEVER try and assume the moral high ground, Nikki.

    Antifa and ARA are very violent and extreme, too. Yet, because they are on the side of the system, this all gets swept under the rug. I mean, recently a handful of BNP (a legal British political party) activists were accosted by THIRTY scruffy Antifa hooligans in Bethnal before the police actually put a stop to their plans, for once.

    Nikki, don't ever forget that it was people on YOUR side of the political persuasion that killed around 100 million people during the Twentieth Century. The NKVD made the SS look like a bunch of pikers.

    Not defending Bill White;he's scum, and deserves whatever he gets. But there is no way some Marxist-Leninist is going to get away with such highfalutin hypocrisy. Sorry.

    Ah, well, keep serving your globalist masters guys. Much like Bill White, you aren't "overthrowing" anything, just making it easier for the globalists to consolidate power.


    But I do have to hand it to the people on the Left: you have, in the words of KGB defector Bezmenov, achieved "beyond your wildest dreams" the "social demoralization" set forth by the Internationale as their plan for the "Long March Through the Institutions"

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  2. Kudos anonymous!

    My thoughts exactly. The Left gets away with actual physical violence while our people get slammed with heavy jail time for writing words.

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  3. They don't call me Nikita for nothing.

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  4. Good response and you can add that girl that had BOs initials carved into her face because she had a McCain sticker on her car? To me that is much more serious, but I doubt the perp will spend one day in jail over it.

    Living under the Obama regime is going to be pure Hell.

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  5. Nikki, I always thought you based your name on that Star Trek character Uhura.

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  6. Thanks.

    I mean, I don't consider myself a National Socialist at all. If anything, I'm probably a Libertarian Race Realist.

    I am also a fanatical anti-Communist.

    Here's why:

    "http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php"

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  7. They don't call me Nikita for nothing.--N.Nichols

    Not really a response, but as much as I expected.

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  8. Anon, thanks for illustrating the hypocricy. I don't know how nikkis folks can feel morally superiour given what that side actually does.

    I hope you continue writing here.

    I too don't like Bill White, but I can't help but notice the glaring inconsistencies of those that say we don't have the right to speak while they hit us over the head with a tire iron.

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  9. I mean, if you want a really good examination of the philosphy of "anti-Racism", you really need look no further than the great article by Nicholas Stix: "The Knoxville Horror: Crime, Race, The Media, and 'Anti-Racism'".

    Quote:

    "Anti-Racists"

    According to the ideology of "anti-racism" promoted by those who currently dominate the media, public schools, academia and "activist" organizations, blacks cannot, by definition, be guilty of racism, whereas whites are, by definition, racist. All blacks, no matter how rich, are victims, while all whites, no matter how poor, are privileged. Got it?

    "Anti-racists" hate whites the way Alex Linder hates Jews."

    Very, very true.

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  10. Article:

    http://www.vdare.com/stix/071031_knoxville.htm

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  11. Actually, Uhura is one of my Star Trek favorites.

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  12. I'd like Nikki to comment on the term employed by Antis, "bash the fash".

    Now, who could possibly interpret that as a call for violence?

    LOL!

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  13. The poster misses the point. White IS charged with DOING something, namely, engaging in a conspiracy with another (or others) to kill somebody. The CONSPIRACY is the overt act, not just the murder-appeal.

    The name or names of the co-conspirators have not been released. Supposedly they are some who White admittedly dealt with (whether feds or just fed-up patsies, we don't know yet, although it really wouldn't matter).

    So, we are not talking about some philosopher theorizing about a murder, but a man, with the words and ability, carrying out his scheme. The fact that the murder did not actually take place is immaterial to a conspiracy-charge.

    The case is so overwhelming that White will probably cut a deal. In any event, he will be out of circulation for a good long while, to the relief of many who think it high time his jig was up.

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  14. quote:
    you can add that girl that had BOs initials carved into her face because she had a McCain sticker on her car?
    end quote:

    I'm going to get out on a limb and say there is a big chance this is hoax.

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  15. Not all WN think Bill White is totally innocent:

    "The Constitution has been in danger a long time, if not yet completely shredded.

    But posting the home address of a juror, implying something should be done to him, even though no explicit threat was made, and though the case is long over, isn't likely to ever have been considered constitutionally protected speech.

    Regardless, White Nationalists are the last people who should be testing the limits. Leave that to the left-wing loonies with names like Hoffman, Rubin, Weinstein and Ayres. We usually don't have money for high priced lawyers, and the courts and most potential jurors (after a lifetime of propaganda demonizing us) are biased from the get-go.

    White, of course, isn't a WN, with everything he's ever done intended to undermine us, but he's been pretending to be one for years. His attention whoring may have done him in."--Don Black

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  16. "The Constitution has been in danger a long time, if not yet completely shredded.

    But posting the home address of a juror, implying something should be done to him, even though no explicit threat was made, and though the case is long over, isn't likely to ever have been considered constitutionally protected speech.

    Regardless, White Nationalists are the last people who should be testing the limits. Leave that to the left-wing loonies with names like Hoffman, Rubin, Weinstein and Ayres. We usually don't have money for high priced lawyers, and the courts and most potential jurors (after a lifetime of propaganda demonizing us) are biased from the get-go.

    White, of course, isn't a WN, with everything he's ever done intended to undermine us, but he's been pretending to be one for years. His attention whoring may have done him in. "--Don Black

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  17. I agree with Don Black, of course. Nationalists (White, Black, or otherwise) are gonna have to tip-toe around the system during the next few years. White put a big, archery-style bullseye target on his head and basically told the FedGov, "Go ahead and shoot boys, I can take it!"

    You reap what you sow, and in his case, he is getting it all back.

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  18. "Okay let me get this straight. Christopher Drake, whom I like, and think is a stand up guy, is a follower of Bill fucking White??

    Chris say it aint so!!!"--April Gaede, in response to Chris Drake's release on VNNF concerning Bill White

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  19. Still waiting for Nikki to explain what "bash the fash" means.

    How does one define, precisely, what a "fash" is? If someone posts at Stormfront, are they a "fash"? What about Amren? If someone is a member of NSM, that seems pretty certain that they are "fash". But what about if they are a member of EAU? Or a single, solitary "fash" with no connections to any organization at all?

    Define this "fash" term for me, and exactly who it applys to. What if someone is a non-racial "fash"? Will they need to be "bashed" too? Is "fash" a synonym for any nationalist, or is it more paticular to the racial variety? Can a Black man be a "fash"? Are there Asian "fash"? Hispanic "fash"? Jewish "fash"? Is a National Anarchist a "fash", even though he believes, at least superficially, in anarchy?

    And what does "bashing" imply? What "fash" is most ripe for the "bash", and how will this bashing be meted out? Are there going to be official Antifa "Bash" laws when you come to power? Will capitalists be included as "fash" ripe for the "bash"? What about religious fundamentalists? Anti-Zionists?

    And how will this "bashing of the fash" be administered, BTW? A simple hand smack? A bullet? A gulag? Torture?

    As a probable "fash" I am interested in this subject of "bashing" and "fashing" and what it all entails.

    Please, let's have some answers comrades!

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  20. I contacted a couple of people who I know and who possess much greater understanding of such things and was told not to worry. They assured me that the government had a solid case against Hale and that all that was found in the indictment was only what they needed to bring about an arrest. Even with these assurances, I was still unconvinced

    you mean yr ADL/jew-BI "handlers", right, bitch?

    Once he came to trial – I believed he would be found guilty and that he would be sentenced to, perhaps, 20 years. He got 40

    in 0zz, he would'v been "stiff" if he got 40mnths on such a bodgie charge

    Now, with Hale, he was being considered a domestic terrorist –

    YR the "domestic terrorist", cunt!....along with the fckn jewz....the biggest terrorists ever!....the fact that jewz even exist is, in & of it-self, an "act of terrorism"

    and one could argue that the sentence was excessive given the claim that silentconsort makes in reference to Bill White that no one had been harmed and he didn’t really DO anything. But, is that true?

    yeh...itz "true"...u kike cunt....."doing some-thing" in this 'context' actually means DOING SOME-THING....as in: an actual physical action like blowing some-one up, shooting some-one, bashing some-one or stabbing some-one!.....but, judaeo-marxist twats like YOU think that white people should be "locked up" for just SAYING some-thing!

    Also, like Hale, he couldn’t help himself. Just as the federal government built a case against Hale, I suspect, they have built a case against White. They have, undoubtedly, cultivated witnesses and perhaps even utilised informants to bring this thing to fruition. Of course, I’m speculating as it is way too soon to know everything

    under-cover narcs (who practise deception for a living!), gaol-house snitches & drugged-out nigga junkies ('witnesses')....yeh.....such is the 'evidence' that ZOG proffers!....now: THAT's a case!

    here in 0zz: a criminal 'case' of any substance must involve @ least 50% hard, forensic evidence...you know: SCIENTIFIC STUFF like: pathologist's reports, autopsies, toxicology, ballistics, crime scene photographs, finger-prints, DNA &c...(and all "confessions" MUST, by law, be video-taped!)...all that real, solid stuff that was discovered by WHITE MEN!

    Those things being said, the questions that arise in the post made here, are viable and worthy of consideration, for certain. SC asks, “Can you lock someone up for simply being offensive in America? Are they trying to equate offensive with actual danger?”

    no: they're trying to acquaint 'danger' with the possibility that some-one might actually BE offended......that 'some-one' being, of course, one of the special, privileged, 'protected' minorities:.....jewz (@ the top of the list), niggaz (their 'pets'), spics, faggots & feminist cunts!

    Within the system of the law a jury in a criminal case is asked to find guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt,” and I think that is the key here. All of this will hinge on what a jury believes is “reasonable.” Is it “reasonable” for the average person to believe that they were in danger when a neo-Nazi, with a following, regardless of how bogus his inflated numbers were, published their home addresses, places of employment, personal information on their family members, etc. and encouraged other neo-Nazi’s to pay them a visit, extract justice, lynch them, or otherwise murder them?

    u stoopid, fckn CUNT!......."beyond reasonable doubt" means that there is sufficient evidence to convince a jury of one's peers that the prosecution has established its case as far as possible..........not wtf or not it is 'reasonable' for the average nigga, jew or spic to think they might be "offended" by!
    (i.e: in 'danger'!).......ohh....and "a jury of one's peers" DOES NOT mean a jury of niggaz, jewz or faggotz......"a jury of one's peers" for a white man is a JURY of WHITE MEN!

    Personally, I think, given the hideous things posted by Bill White on his website that most responsible jurors would think that it is “reasonable” to believe that he placed many, many people in “actual danger”

    IOW: 'convince a jury of niggaz, jewz & faggots' that he "offended" 1 or more of the special, priveleged, protected, minorities jewz (@ the top of the list), niggaz (their 'pets'), spics, faggots & feminist cunts!

    Additionally, I find the use of the word “offensive” a gross under-statement of what was published on Overthrow.com. Using racial epithets, excessive cursing, pornography &c might all fall under the definition of “offensive” but calling for the assassination, the lynching or the murder of another individual, goes way beyond being merely “offensive.”

    no.....he's expressing an OPINION, u twat!..........as in: "i think it would be a good idea if `X` was assasinated"

    and...wtf cares how far beyond yr definition of 'offensive' it goes....?......the point is: he hasn't actually physically harmed any-one....!

    Yes, there are injustices in this world. And yes, there are inequalities. Bad things happen to good people and there are way too many victims. However, the argument that “nothing happened” or “he didn’t do anything” doesn’t wash here. By that logic, the authorities should have stood by and waited for one of his targets to be killed

    that's EXACTLY wtf they're SUPPOSED to do, bitch!.....not lock some-one up for wtf they might or might not do or might or might not inspire others to do....un-less: there is an actual 'conspiracy to murder'.....which, in it-self: must involve substantial evidence of detailed planning & the acquistion of materials to commit said act!

    *recommended reading*: Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England

    *NOT recommended reading*: the Talmud;

    There have been victims of Bill White’s reign of terror – and believe me that is precisely what it was to those who felt the wrath of his hate

    definition of a 'victim': some-one who is "offended" by Mr White's political views........IOW: 1 or more of the special, priveleged, protected, minorities: jewz (@ the top of the list), niggaz (their 'pets'), spics, faggots & feminist cunts!

    Ask anyone of his many targets how the fear affected them. Tell me that anyone should have to fear for his safety or that of his family, should have to look over his shoulder every minute, should wonder and worry that he may be in the crosshairs of some unstable Nazi who hates him just because of the color of his skin or his religion or sexual orientation. Tell me those people aren’t victims

    they AREN't victims....a 'victim' is the recipient of actual physical violence or, maybe, financial malfesceance!
    ohh....BTW: ZOG & its minions(i.e: any of the special, priveleged, protected, minorities: jewz (@ the top of the list), niggaz (their 'pets'), spics, faggots & feminist cunts!) make ME fear for MY safety & the safety of my family EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY!......as such: i think THEY should be locked up!

    And, what about the ones who were the inadvertent targets? The ones who simply had their addresses published because they had the same last name as his intended target? Or the ones who simply worked at the Roanoke Times and didn’t even have the foggiest idea of who Bill White was? What about the people who got threatening letters from the ANSWP because they were black? These were all victims of Bill White

    'threatening letters' can be reported to the Kwaps......but: of course, that would require actual 'evidence' wouldn't it?....not a "cooked up" fedZOGjewSA "hate crime"..........ohh.....BTW: last time i looked.......jewz were goin' around spray-painting swassies on shit-a-gogues!......ain't THAT 'threatening'?

    At the same time, you worry about his rights and the freedoms of people in this county, Bill White’s solution is that if he doesn’t like what they say – silence them. Kill them. Shut them the hell up. Scare them, intimidate them, trample their rights, at any cost. Yet, he didn’t DO anything

    thass-right....he DIDN't....un-like members of the special, priveleged, protected, minorities jewz (@ the top of the list), niggaz (their 'pets'), spics, faggots & feminist cunts!........thatz wtf 'Kwan gaols are FULL of niggaz & non-whites....they actually DO shite....like: rapes, murders, robberies, drug-dealing &c......just like they "did" to Channon Christopher & Chris Newsom........REAL, HORRIBLE 'things'.....not words or sentences or paragraphs on a 'blog, a web site, a news-paper or a magazine!

    What other evidence the government might have on White is still to be divulged. Surely there is more to come. The only real outrage I feel at the moment – the only injustice that I can see in all of this is that there is someone else out there just as guilty of the same things as Bill White and he has yet to be dealt with. Hal Turner has consistently engaged in the same sort of egregious behavior as Bill White – and perhaps even more prolifically. To this day he still credits his postings as the catalyst to the Lefkow murders. Yet, he is allowed to continue. That’s not justice

    the fact that u & yr ilk are "allowed to continue" in a white nation founded by white people FOR white people is the "INJUSTICE"!

    I believe that Bill White is clinically insane. I really do. If he isn’t tried and convicted then, at the very least, I hope that he is evaluated and placed somewhere where he can receive the treatment I believe that he needs. But, most importantly, I hope that no one ever has to be victimized by White again

    the old "fall-back" position from the jewSSR......yeh....'bout wtf u'd expect from judaeo-marxist twats like YOU!.....not even the slightest scintilla of 'evidence' can be produced against a white man.......so: get some kike quack shrink to declare him "in-sane"!.............nice 1!

    BTW: in 0zz.....to be declared "clinically insane" requires the certification of THREE doctors or TWO psychiatrists....and a "committed person" must be AUTOMATICALLY REVIEWED by the Mental Health Review Board every six weeks.....if the commital cannot be substantiated to their satisfaction, then, the 'patient' must be released!.....we actually have LAWs in this country....not jew "whims" & "fancies"!

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  21. Wow! And as I read through all of this I was starting to get a better impression of you WN guys! Well mannered, good sense of humor, decent discourse, etc. Then along came Jimbo. I absolutely refuse to attempt to interpret his mess.

    To the "bash-the-fash" poster, I can hardly stop laughing! I'll get back to you on that soon.

    I'm actually also getting a pretty big kick out of the Stormfront bunch trying to walk the straight and narrow.

    Have Black and Duke actually neutered them or have they just all gone soft? What a riot!

    And isn't it Gaede who wants to challenge Bill White to a jousting match or some such - I'd pay to watch.

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  22. I remember reading a message from another WN saying that Jimbo was an embarrassment to WN's. I think more than likely Jimbo is a Nimbuster troll, I think that Isis recently confirmed this as well as other Nimbusters. No one could be that stupid if not on purpose.

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  23. Wow! And as I read through all of this I was starting to get a better impression of you WN guys! Well mannered, good sense of humor, decent discourse, etc. Then along came Jimbo. I absolutely refuse to attempt to interpret his mess

    yeh....well....u gotta say that, right, cunt?

    it's yr only "come-back"; any-one of even average intelligence could tell @ a glance than i blew you out of the water!

    remember reading a message from another WN saying that Jimbo was an embarrassment to WN

    hunh?

    prblby a nigga or a jew 'masquerading' as a 'WN'....no!...hang on!....i take that 'back'....highly un-likely to be a nigga.....after all: most niggaz can't even string a coherent sentence together...

    my CV on VNNf speaks for it-self...i don't need yr 'endorsement' OR the kudos of the joo tool who purports to "own" this sorry excuse for a 'blog!

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  24. "14 Words"....ONLY white people are truly 'human'!

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  25. Remember this guy? :)

    Martin Lindstedt was released from Newton County jail @ 1:40 PM CST on a $10,000 bond.

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  26. Remember this guy? :)

    Martin Lindstedt was released from Newton County jail @ 1:40 PM CST on a $10,000 bond.

    Just what we need - another fruitcake on the loose.

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  27. I wonder if anyone has considered the possibility that Bill White may have undermined any possibility Matt Hale has of getting a reduced sentence based on his appeal. That appeal is wrapped up in this juror.

    I dunno...just thinking out loud.

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  28. Yes, I believe so. Bill White doesn't give a fuck about anything or anybody except himself.

    He knew very well that his behavior would not be a good thing for Matt Hale.

    Matt Hale will be a free man in 2037...if still alive that is...

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  29. Matt Hale will be a free man in 2037...if still alive that is...

    ohh...he'll be free LONG BEFORE THEN!....one way or t'other!

    2037?!?

    the 'Kwa`s lucky it survived 2007!......NO WAY KNOWN it's gunna survive another 30yrs....30 months if ZOG's lucky!

    after that, it'll be the New White Imperium!

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  30. Martin Lindstedt!!!!!!! Now that is one sick (censored).

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  31. let's review some of Bill White's better known history:

    Bill has quite the idiotic record of posting stupid shit online, he has regularly made murder threats on his website, overthrow.com while avoiding criminal charges. He posted the names and addresses of the Jena six niggers online, commenting that they should be lynched. While we are no fans of niggers, there is some shit you don't do online, unless you want to go to prison. Bill's speech clearly crossed the line into the realm of yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre...

    SInce bill got away with calling for the niggers to be lynched he became empowered and self-confident, believing he could get away with practically anything. Bill even called himself a god and posted this ridiculousness in his yahoo group.

    But what really stirred-up the shit was when Bill published the address and phone number of a juror involved in the Matt Hale case. What the fuck was White trying to prove? Billy though it would some how grant him respectability within the movement by attacking Matt Hale's enemies, instead it lead to his downfall.

    Bill White's fragile sanity soon took a turn for the worse.

    While he was busily calling Vonbluvens and the author of this website mentally-ill, Bill had lost whatever shred of sanity he had left. Bill started playing with his guns and fantasizing about murdering those he didn't like.
    White became obsessed with the thought of killing and even pulled his pistol to kill one of his tenants that pissed him off, somehow he stopped.

    Bill next published all this information on his website. He talked about his intricate murder plot and his hit list of people he was going to kill. It is little wonder that the judge denied bail, worried that Bill might really go on his killing spree.

    "Feeling the need to KILL KILL KILL... I developed a plot to murder..."

    Just what you would expect to read from a homicidal madman in desperate need of incarceration... and Bill was. Bill White is a homicidal, psychopathic madman with delusions of godhood.

    Psychopathology is one of the most studied of anti-social personality disorders. Read the Clinical definition of Psychopath and ask yourself if this doesn't completely fit Bill White:
    "The psychopath is defined by a psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes. In other words, individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior as well as lacking a conscience. Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal and quite intelligent. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses. "
    Psychopath Bill White advertised online a new issue of his "National Socialist" magazine called "Kill this nigger?". The rag had a picture of shitskin Barrack Hussein Obama in swastika cross hairs. Bill though he would somehow be legally protected by putting in the question mark. Haven't you ever hear of a thinly veiled threat? The magazine cover was just like asking the Feds to be arrested. But the article didn't openly encourage Obama to be assassinated, a distinction which wouldn't matter to the prosecutors. If Obama did become president, the nigger would running the Justice Dept. and would use the resources of the US government against Bill. It would be a legal war that Willie could never win. But like a good Psychopath, Bill engaged in totally irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than just for fun.

    Bill created his legal woes & is the only one responsible for his downfall.

    Willie was always well known for telling constant lies about everyone he hates. Bill is Mr. bullshit. Most racialists and even the anti's know he's full of shit. White has admitted that his lies are created to destroy of the movement through internal dissension. Bill even recently admitted in court that that his site overthrow is just a pack of lies:

    “Like everything I write, I write essentially tabloid news – half true, half sensationalism and exaggeration.”
    - Bill White 10/22/08

    Why does honor mean nothing to Bill White? Why does he regularly act like the niggers that he hates? Several reasons but the easiest is because Bill is an attention whore. Willie is like the kid in grade school that simply must to be the center of attention. He has to have attention, and if he can't get it being good he will get it being bad.

    Well Bill, you got the attention of the Feds was it really worth it?

    It would have been simply wonderful if hardcore members in our movement had handled the Bill White problem in house. Bill was certainly easy to find but nobody stepped up to the plate to do what was needed. This must be the first time the Feds did an arrest within the movement that actually benefits the movement. Bill has always been a Pariah,|a social outcast within the movement. We are all far better off without him and his antics.

    ASSWIPE UPDATE:
    Gary Nemeth from Tacoma Wa. has available a mini version of the "Kill this Nigger" magazine online. It can be downloaded at Gary Nemeth's website. Smooth move exlax! Now you will be put on the FED's shit list! Maybe they will put in a cell next to Bill and you guys can pass notes back and forth. Whatever happens It will be your own stupid fault.

    Billy.s boytoy Chris Drake (probably the next asswipe commander) is promoting jailed Willie on VNN as the next WN Martyr. Chris is asking for donations for Billdo.

    Why does a millionaire need public donations?
    What nerve Drake has to ask the poor of this movement to give what little they have to help Bill get out of the legal trouble that he caused himself!
    If Bill's family really did run out of money, he could always get a loan from his rich parents, like he did to start White Homes and Lands LLC.

    Bill White is no White Nationalist prisoner of war, he's a sociopathic, narcissist freak who lost control and is now facing the music. By siding with dishonorable vermin like Bill, Drake is no better than White. If you sleep with dogs you get fleas and Chris Drake is scratching big time.

    The time will soon come when we should forget about Pariah Bill White.
    Willie will slowly rot away in his 8 X 12 Ft. home, while smoking plenty of big, black cigars, and receiving his daily dose of hot african beef injections.

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  32. People have already lost interest in this.

    No one cares about Bill White.

    He will soon fade from our memory.

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  33. Forget Bill White. Here are the actions of a REAL WN leader: Nick Griffin

    From wvwnews.net

    Today’s nationalists in Europe are still fighting the ghost of Stalinism which is alive in the form of the European Union, BNP leader Nick Griffin told a crowd in Budapest, Hungary, yesterday afternoon.

    Addressing one of many rallies held in the city to commemorate the 1956 uprising against the Communist regime in that country, Mr Griffin said that while nationalists in Hungary stood alone in 1956, in 2008 all European nationalists were standing together.

    Speaking through an interpreter, Mr Griffin said that the ghost of Stalin was still alive in the shape of the European Union. “The EU too seeks to take away our freedoms and rights,” he said.

    The BNP leader was invited to Budapest to address the rally by the Jobbik party (Movement for a Better Hungary). Their leader, Dr Krisztina Morvai, and a 1956 Uprising veteran, Gyula Kosa, also addressed the crowd.

    Other speakers included Italian Forza Nuova leader Roberto Fiore, an Italian MEP, who spoke of the international banking crisis and well-known Hungarian activists Laszlo Toroczkai and Gyorgy Budahazy.

    At another rally, not attended by Mr Griffin, police arrested some demonstrators protesting police action against demonstrators from previous years’ rallies. In a show of solidarity, Mr Griffin and the other European nationalist leaders toured the police stations where the Hungarians were being detained, to ensure that they were given all due process of the law and were being treated decently.

    Next stop on Mr Griffin’s agenda is Prague for the Czech National Day on October 28. He will be the guest of Petra Edelmannova, chairman of the National Party, Czech Republic, and will spend two days discussing strategy and tactics.
    ---
    Europe Awake!

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  34. Psychopath Bill White has an insatiable desire for attention. He soon advertised online a new issue of his "National Socialist" magazine called "Kill this nigger?". The rag had a picture of shitskin Barrack Hussein Obama in swastika cross hairs. Bill seemed to believed he would be legally protected by putting in the question mark. However, the magazine cover was a thinly veiled threat, just like asking the Feds to be arrested. The article inside didn't openly encourage Obama to be assassinated, but came very close to promoting illegal actions at the end.

    From White's "Kill this nigger" article:

    "White people must deny him presidency, as a radical who he admires might say, By any means necessary."
    -Bill White

    "After all a dead nigger never runs out of celebrity and a dead igger always has more character than a living one."
    -Bill White

    Bill's thinly veiled threat on the front page soon becomes a unveiled threat in the article! In the last sentence Bill is calls upon his readers to do anything to stop the nigger from being president, including illegal actions. If they need any suggestions as to what laws to break, all they have to do is examine the title and cover of the magazine!

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  35. Yes people will forget about Bill White and soon. But not right now while we are havin so much fun...

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  36. Nik=First, let me say thank you for the well-thought-out post. Sometimes we all should be challenged to step back
    and take a look at things - assess our motives - and spend some time in introspection.>>


    SC: and thank you much for organizing the post, it's hard to write in the little blogger box and make it come out looking all right.. Have you ever heard of that saying "In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king"? Just something to ponder, I will get into that one if we keep going with this.

    I honestly believe there is no case here, though I have not reviewed whatever it is they claim to have, I highly doubt any conspiracy.

    BW likes to talk. And talk. And talk. Some fiction, some non-fiction, some hard-to-tell. Point being, it is unlikely any nationalist would pick BW as being on the A-list for top-secret super spy decoder ring ops. Unless it was for entertainment purposes only, or was a set-up.

    I was happy to read the part about introspection and the questioning of your own agenda(s) as I know yourself and Floyd have been on BW for probably years, which I have always found puzzling- for the very reasons I stated in my original post, that many nationalists still saw him as
    having the 'flair', or 'taint' for what nationalists call 'anti's' because of his ex-lefty past. Perhaps you don't
    know this, but even some nationalists themselves get a kick out of your little movies. I especially liked the
    'Beverly Hills Nazis' video, great song too, as it does illustrate how many whites are not 'privileged' in any
    sense of the word- some of the videos need a little spelling/grammar help, however.

    Back to BW:
    In a way, he reminds me of the now basically straight guy who still likes to occasionally tie one on, and dance and be outrageous, lampshade on head, jumping in the pool fully clothed. But Scary and Dangerous? Nope. It just doesn't make sense- people who are going to actually do stuff would not call such attention to oneself as he does, as they are usually much more paranoid and concerned about keeping a super low profile. Makes sense, no?


    Nik: I have an admission to make. When Matt Hale was first arrested I was elated. And then the indictment came across my desk. As I read through the charges, I shook my head and thought, “this will not hold up in court.”>>


    SC:That's because, as I also understood it, MH simply said something similar to Pontius Pilate :


    "I wash my hands of it, let the people decide." MH said something like "I'm keeping it legal,do what you want." Can you imagine all the times you may have said the same to people, and if saying such had such dire and unreasonable consequences?

    Nik: I contacted a couple of people who I know and who possess much greater understanding of such things and was told not to worry. They assured me that the government had a solid case against Hale and that all that was found in the indictment was only what they needed to bring about an arrest. Even with these assurances, I was still unconvinced.>>


    SC: Of course they are going to reassure you, they certainly aren't going to tell anyone they don't have a real case. Even if no one ended up actually hurt. Probably especially then. Then they will say, "See, if it weren't for us taking this guy away, this other person would be dead! We're heroes, whee!" Except...it isn't really that way. I mean, you and FC have probably obsessed on BW more than he has thought about MH over the past what? 6 years? What has he been doing? From what I hear, running a site, publishing stuff, buying real estate and had a kid, and he talks about all this. Doesn't really seem to fit the lone-wolf low-profile type, right?



    NIK: However, as the entire process began to move forward, additional charges were brought and eye-opening evidence
    and testimony came forth with each new motion filed.>>



    SC: I'd have to see it. From what I have heard, it was a classic case of agent provocateur.

    NIK: In the case of Matthew Hale, it is no secret that he had been under investigation for years. From the time of the Benjamin Smith shooting spree in July of 1999, the government wanted to nail him. Many believed and still do, myself included, that Smith acted under orders, implied or overt, from Hale.>>



    SC: Never heard of this mentioned in conjunction with Hale.

    NIK: Matt knew he was being watched. He knew that law-enforcement wanted nothing more than to put him in prison but
    because of his insatiable need for attention and acceptance, he was unable to reign in his manipulative nature and to further his believes through legal means.>>



    SC: Hmmm, I don't know that any of the qualities mentioned, though perhaps not sterling- are illegal. To some extent, those descriptors fit most people to a greater or lesser degree. I don't know MH, or have any idea what his personality was like, cannot comment on him personally. Most religious leader types are called 'charismatic leaders' , often in a disparaging way.



    NIK: Once he came to trial – I believed he would be found guilty and that he would be sentenced to, perhaps, 20 years. He got 40.>>



    SC: Which seems excessive, but not surprising.That MH was to be made an example of What Can Happen if your nationalist group becomes anything- of that I have little doubt. Perhaps the feds needed someone else. Perhaps it was between him and someone else as far as needing a new fish to fry, and the squeaky wheel got the grease.

    It may be that it is becoming harder for Fed-types to stalk the wild white nationalist. Many nationalist groups have softened their approach, not using epithets,wearing simple clothes, trying to engage in real discussion rather than tired jokes, tourette's syndrome-like Sieg Heil's! and excessive drinking, off-key nationalist metal songs, etc.


    NIK: Now, with Hale, he was being considered a domestic terrorist – and one could argue that the sentence was excessive given the claim that silentconsort makes in reference to Bill White that no one had been harmed and he didn’t really DO anything. But, is that true?>>



    SC: anyone can be called a made-up name simply because of something said, a belief held, a position taken.

    Domestic terrorist? My father may feel that way about my mother, and I think he's done about 40 years or more so far, and he probably says something akin to 'do whatever you want' to my mother every day. I sound like I am joking, but when
    you overuse these pat phrases like 'hate-speech' , 'hate-crime' 'hate-this, that' they begin to apply to everything
    and thus nothing. In my experience Real Hate has always been more accurate in describing the personal as opposed to
    the political. BW is no more a terrorist-hater-whatever than my mother is. Hold on, OK-my mother is way scarier than BW,and knows where I live. She doesn't need outrageous satirical magazines or message boards to get her point across.

    I don't worry that some random nationalist or anti is going to see my address and show up like the bogeyman or grab me into an elevator- the same crowd that is often so very difficult to get to even attend a small local non-combative gathering, let alone a real protest. Make no mistake, most violent crime is committed by someone you know personally. The likelihood of some forum reader following up on spell-checking a post, let alone copying down an address and phone correctly, let alone bothering to show up, for ill or good intent is just about nil.


    NIK: Like Hale, Bill White has been under investigation for a very long time. This is not something that just popped up in the last few months. Bill knew that – he even wrote about it time and time again.>>



    SC: I have heard him mention something to this effect, but it is like the boy who cried wolf- he didn't seem too worried about it, and probably many people weren't sure if he wasn't making it up. There have been others who claim the feds are always hovering around, but claim they know where the line is drawn and not to cross it.


    NIK: Also, like Hale, he couldn’t help himself. Just as the federal government built a case against Hale, I suspect, they have built a case against White. They have, undoubtedly, cultivated witnesses and perhaps even

    utilized informants to bring this thing to fruition. Of course, I’m speculating as it is way too soon to know everything.>>



    SC: You mention he has been being watched or whatever for some time-and knew this-and figured he was operating within the law, either with the magazine in question or the posting of names. For whatever else he is, BW does not
    strike me as 'slow'. He must have read up about public records and freedom of information. He wouldn't have been
    able to handle the real estate stuff/house flipping or renovating, whatever- and from what I gather, he is not
    green on the nationalist scene.
    These things have to be looked at not only through the one-way lens of the media, but more like a two way mirror.

    The media sees this huge bastion of free-floating 'hate', and try to perpetuate that myth with the cheesy 48 hours and documentary-style shows- but in reality- the 'hate' business is the corner store to your Wal-Mart. It is teeny-tiny and strangely competitive for market share.
    This is not to deny the fact that yes, many people who are not nationalists per se do believe race is not a made-up
    concept. For our purposes, we are not talking about them, although.. during the OJ trial I heard from these same commonplace folk comments under their breath similar to that which BW's magazine proclaims in full color. So the
    question arises: Is BW really the bogeyman, or is there a bit of hypocrisy here? Latent Racists? Raceophobics?


    Is BW any more scary and dangerous than say.. Celebrity stalkers? The disgruntled government employee or
    foreclosed upon suicidal worker? baby Caylee's mom? The angst-ridden high-school shooter? Crack dealers? The drunk and
    disheveled guy who approaches you in a dark parking lot? My point in this instance is that the world is chock full o' nuts- and the laundry list I just mentioned does not include any nationalist types.

    Realistically, how many people that live on the dust speck that is WN read anything and are prompted to action?
    Outside WN? Even fewer.

    Point being that not many people are combing overthrow, looking for addresses of people to mess with. Therefore,
    even if someone wanted to hold themselves out as scary and dangerous, it would come off like Dungeons and Dragons and
    often does. Rather than the media image of cloak and dagger WNs with horses, torches and sheets, it is exactly the opposite, people more absorbed in what this or that screen name is doing, who likes who, who hates who- like middle-school.



    NIK: Those things being said, the questions that arise in the post made here, are viable and worthy of consideration, for certain. SC asks, “Can you lock someone up for simply being offensive in America? Are they
    trying to equate offensive with actual danger?”
    Within the system of the law a jury in a criminal case is asked to find guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt,” and I think that is the key here. All of this will hinge on what a jury believes is “reasonable.” Is it “reasonable” for the average person to believe that they were in danger when a neo-Nazi, with a following, regardless of how bogus

    his inflated numbers were, published their home addresses, places of employment, personal information on their family members, etc. and encouraged other neo-Nazi’s to pay them a visit, extract justice, lynch them, or otherwise
    murder them?>>


    SC: No, it does not present such an actual danger- in fact many times people do stuff and then claim associations that aren't there either to get out of time and become a fed or they happen to have a tattoo , but it doesn't mean anything to them- yet the media seizes upon it. ..and here we return to my last statement- that going after BW is like thinking Ferris Bueller has an Al Queda (sp ?) cell. Was it perhaps a not-so-bright moment to publish that magazine right now? Or publish the address on 9/11 ?
    Probably. But, it's not an atrocity..let us make distinctions here.Posting stuff to what amounts to a small bunch
    of guys, ebay SA memorabilia on, drinking Jolt in mom's basement does not a Bin Laden make. It might be not exercising good judgment,but does not merit years of imprisonment.



    NIK: Personally, I think, given the hideous things posted by Bill White on his website that most responsible jurors
    would think that it is “reasonable” to believe that he placed many, many people in “actual danger.”>>


    SC: Nik, I think there are infinite configurations of danger to people that happen on a daily basis- refer back to previous statements. I don't think this guy , however scary he may look (LOL) in full drag, carrying a baby sack, and juggling renters, is in ACTUALITY a Real Threat to anyone. Simply talking or posting of names or audio isn't enough to warrant this big a deal. It's not reasonable, the fear brought on by the media isn't accurate to the actual LACK of danger, given the small proportion of people participating on forums/sites, who even care, or who would want to risk their own lives. These guys imprisoned can hardly get people to send them 5 bucks for smokes, or a letter, let alone have a middleman inspire 'revenge' schemes. However, it did inspire 1000's of posts on various
    forums about agent provocateurs,set-ups, what to do if someone approaches you with a wild scheme, and the relevance
    of the "we're gonna ride in on our home-made tanks when TSHTF"- there are less and less people who can afford the
    luxury of such fantasy when they have been outsourced, or foreclosed upon, other otherwise hurt by the powers that be.

    Being afraid of the right things, the right people is important. I just don't think in the greater scheme of
    things BW is one one of them. Ok, he may be more than offensive, he may be downright belligerent- one has to realize how many nationalists look at one another. I am loathe to use this analogy, but I will. It is said that among blacks, they see shades and colors and features many whites don't bother with: You're black, or you're not- simple rght? Not so. Apparently, and much has been written about this, there is an entire code or system, for lack of a better word for how blacks categorize and view each other- from descriptions of color 'high-yella' to things that describe socio-economic status "he's acting white", etc. Nationalists do exactly the same thing, even if we all lived in the same area, in a separate set-aside,you can bet there would be categorizations/taxonomy and disambiguation that would be Wikipedian. Being a combination of various Euro ethnicity myself,I am in some ways very 'pasty' and others dark.

    It is all in the perspective- someone at a college might pin the tag 'goth' on such a person, another might say 'coffeeshop beatnik'.A person from a black or other-than-white group might think "average White"....... but a random anonymous type on a WN message board might take a gander and say.."I don't know, you do look white, but ehh I don't know, you might have Roman Empire slave admixture, you're probably tainted. We don't count your type of Euro, we only count those from X longitude and latitude and up" or "you're not originally from my village, that would be like miscegenation." Keep in mind no one made them any offers, that these comments roll in unsolicited, and people take them seriously. Then others are afraid to tell said wankers to shut up because it might take away financial support, might make the stupidity worse, or if enough other doofuses jump on the wanker's bandwagon, the real people get afraid they will be looked at as the lone dissenter, and get picked on.

    Now do you see why I hear there has been a measure of 'reform' going on? Because SHTF fantasies and 'no one is white enough' and ' i hate so and so' 8th grade crap is retarded. Then maybe someone shows up who isn't like this, and people are suspicious of them, so low has the general expectations dropped- that if one can put together a coherent sentence, one surely must be a fed. Do you see the lack of perspective as far as how many in the nationalist movement fail to see anything outside themselves. It may not be because of the political or racial beliefs, as I said, there are many people out there who believe variations on the theme- but it appears there is a certain type of personality that is either attracted to the 'scene'. Of course not all have had terrible childhoods
    or were raised in isolation in a mountain cabin in Appalachia, but in the WN movement or 'clique' it becomes like that. People start losing perspective as far as the rest of the world and their actions, even if no harm was intended at all, they are only seeing from the inside out. You say they are on the outside looking in, but I see it as the exact opposite. It is a world unto itself, albeit a 'Horton Hears a Who' world, and it lacks perspective on how they are viewed by the average, common White person. They behave as they do, often badly-because they simply don't know any better. If they once did, they must have lost that somewhere along the way, which is a sad thing. Often it harms their own lives or even those close to them, unintentionally or otherwise.

    Someone naive or sheltered coming into nationalism, thinking people in it are going to be pretty much like people on the outside, that they necessarily have their best interests at heart are in for a very rude awakening.

    As someone once told me, "People are their own worst enemy." You may not end up like BW or MH or Zundel or Sheppard and Whittle- in fact, you may never be known-you may fall off the radar- but you still will have suffered tremendous losses you will have to live with, and you will find that when you have lost- most people don't care and will even kick you when down, regardless of situation or intent or whether they even know you.

    If you can manage to somehow participate productively in things that you believe in,in a sane way that does have influence- yet keep your own life apart and intact, you have won the game. If not, you will live with it every day of your life.



    NIK: Additionally, I find the use of the word “offensive” a gross understatement of what was published on Overthrow.com. Using racial epithets, excessive cursing, pornography, etc. might all fall under the definition of
    “offensive,” but calling for the assassination, the lynching, or the murder of another individual, goes way beyond being merely “offensive.”>>

    SC: 'Offensive' is subjective. Sure we might find such suggestions distasteful or even stupid, but still, remember
    when your mother said "if your friend Susie told you to go jump off a bridge, would you do it?"
    As far as what you said was advocated-I must have missed that, I don't recall seeing or hearing anything like that, although it reminds me of lyrics from lots of rap songs about killing whitey and pigs etc.

    NIK: Even as a “far-left radical type” as the author has dubbed him, White was given to superfluous buffoonery and
    a “pushing of the envelope” as indicated. However, he has also long been considered unstable and dangerous by many on all points of the political continuum.>>

    SC: No one is arguing that BW and crew do not affect the subtle approach, to say the least. No one is saying he doesn't have an ego- but that last part, whom are you talking about? Stormfront vs OPP, VNN vs Citizens against Hate? Or are you talking about the Great Big World where probably no one has ever heard of any of this? Which leads us back to the tiny fishbowl.


    NIK: For me, the surprise has been in his ability to garner any semblance of a following, albeit always short-lived.>>


    SC: I think the real following is feds that have seen that he may in recent years have accrued things of value that they can try and seize, or bankrupt him in legal fees.There isn't much of a 'following' anymore in nationalism,look at the boards- it
    is more about who is friends with whom, who has burned whom, who has helped whom, who had a thing with whom, etc., rather than this mythical loyalty to a Great Leader. They like BW because they are enraptured with the national socialist theme, as is he. That doesn't really make one a fuhrer, though, does it?

    NIK:Attempts to characterize calls for violence as mere hate-speech is to be expected among those who went from racists to racialists and Nazi’s to Nationalists and is pretty characteristic of the grooming school of white
    supremacists run by Don Black and known as Stormfront.>>


    SC: I don't think any of the aforementioned would call anything hate-speech.I'm not sure I understand your meaning as far as 'racists to racialists' and so on, unless you mean what I said about the 'kinder, gentler approach'. ?
    SF as a grooming school? As I stated in the first post, anyone who doesn't agree with the mainstream gets called names, it's just a matter of which name. For example, some might call Jared Taylor 'racist' but not 'anti-Semitic'.


    NIK: Euphemisms such as these do not diminish the fact that those who engage in the kinds of reprehensible behaviors associated with Matt Hale and Bill White always seem to find themselves on the outside of our society looking in.>>

    SC: I think that is the goal, is it not? To be outside of the society rather than part of it, to be separate.The problem is the fishbowl, inside a tiny world, looking OUT.

    NIK: Yes, there are injustices in this world. And yes, there are inequalities. Bad things happen to good people and there are way too many victims. However, the argument that “nothing happened” or “he didn’t do anything” doesn’t wash here. By that logic, the authorities should have stood by and waited for one of his targets to be killed. There have been victims of Bill White’s reign of terror – and believe me that is precisely what it was to those who
    felt the wrath of his hate.>>


    SC: Where are these victims? Whom? What exactly has he done except talk and write and show up at this event or that? I haven't heard of all these alleged victims of BW, excepting those reading the made-up tabloid -y stuff ! Ok some of it might be true, but really, nobody cares if it is true or not- they are there for hte entertainment value and gossip- It's like reading the Nationalist Enquirer.

    NIK: Ask anyone of his many targets how the fear affected them. Tell me that anyone should have to fear for his safety or that of his family, should have to look over his shoulder every minute, should wonder and worry that he
    may be in the crosshairs of some unstable Nazi who hates him just because of the color of his skin or his religion or sexual orientation.>>

    SC: You don't really believe a candidate would think BW or people he knows could ever get close to them? The only real 'Nazi's' left are probably in hiding or in an old folk's home,rotting away in prison or dead. BW sounds vaguely southern to me, though he does know quite a bit about socialism, Marxism, etc. When he sticks to the facts, it is educational and interesting. BW is not Freddy Kruger, Hitler, Hussein, etc.


    NIK:Tell me those people aren’t victims.>>

    SC: Who again are these people whom BW has caused harm? Did anything actually happen or was it threats or implied?
    Can it be directly tired or attributed to him, or is that speculation? Could anyone have scribbled ANSWP on a note and sent it?

    NIK: And, what about the ones who were the inadvertent targets? The ones who simply had their addresses published because they had the same last name as his intended target? Or the ones who simply worked at the Roanoke Times and didn’t even have the foggiest idea of who Bill White was? What about the people who got threatening letters from the ANSWP because they were black? These were all victims of Bill White.>>

    SC: Report to cops or postal authority? Was it proven that it was him? I don't recall hearing about him serving any time or doing community service? Proof? How do we know feds didn't send threatening letters or even call that ex-juror?


    NIK: At the same time you worry about his rights and the freedoms of people in this county, Bill White’s solution is that if he doesn’t like what they say – silence them. Kill them. Shut them the hell up. Scare them, intimidate them, trample their rights, at any cost. Yet, he didn’t DO anything.>>


    SC: Yes, I do worry about his rights, as it also affects ALL free-speech, and the definition of such. It is either illegal to post even vicious and vile matter or personal info, or it is not. What I was saying before is that the actual danger is not what it is perceived to be. Take the small number of those who see it, and then try to get the number of those who agree with it, or who think it is a good idea to act upon it, and then wrench from that any % of those who would actually act, and one has perhaps a .0001 or less %. Most of the people one hears about in the news who get tagged 'Nazi's' , like the kid in San Francisco with the elevator incident with Wiesel- no one has ever heard of him- he was not a 'WN movement personality'. People who have issues, if they don't seize upon one group or ideology , will find a different one. Groups such as PETA, environmental,Women in Black(anti-Iraq war) have all been called 'terrorists' by various opposing groups. That doesn't mean these groups are out to harm, regardless of whether one agrees with them, or finds them offensive or legitimate.




    NIK: What other evidence the government might have on White is still to be divulged. Surely there is more to come. The only real outrage I feel at the moment – the only injustice that I can see in all of this is that there is someone else out there just as guilty of the same things as Bill White and he has yet to be dealt with. Hal Turner has consistently engaged in the same sort of egregious behavior as Bill White – and perhaps even more prolifically. To
    this day he still credits his postings as the catalyst to the Lefkow murders. Yet, he is allowed to continue.

    That’s not justice.>>



    SC: and this goes back to the idea of wanting self-importance, wanting to 'matter', feeling as though one's beliefs and ideas are not only not approved of, but have no hope of happening. Therefore it would follow that one would take credit even for something awful in order to have a weird 'credibility' or look as though one has influence, when in actuality, the rest of the world has no idea who you are, and those that do think of you as entertainment. Turner also claims to "Rule the Night", a la Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But in reality, away from the radio show- he is a dad in NJ. Calling many nationalists 'extremists' is redundant in the sense that many are extreme about everything, but harmlessly so.If they are as extreme about what kind of cola they drink, or what thread count their sheets have, or having internet tantrums and flame wars- well, you get the idea.It is difficult to make your life be about something unlikely to happen, to bang your head against the wall repeatedly and put yourself in a position to be pretty much vilified by everyone, and give up having any semblance of a normal life to little or no effect, yet placing yourself under the microscope of '40 to watch' etc. When one has 'achieved' such status, it probably makes one feel at once proud and afraid, though in the meantime, the border remains unprotected, and drive-by killings continue and kids like christian and Newsom die. Can one say HT or BW did/do have a normal life aside from the politics in the Who-world? To some degree, maybe.

    I don't think of HT or BW as scary or evil, no matter what they print, or say. Again, real hate is personal and not political. One can hate conditions of the way the country is being run, or 'hate' in a general sense certain groups for whatever reasons, valid or not, but far more hate is directed upon those specific people who criticize the status quo. The hate is far greater coming towards nationalists than from them, whatever words are spoken on message boards, it is not nationalists who make the law and have the power. They can't 'quit' because many can't get any other 'gig'. They can't say they are wrong because facts actually back up much of what they say. They can't say 'Ok well I'm right, but it doesn't matter because we don't have a chance against ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government)so organizing or posting isn't going to do much anyway" because then people get all depressed and angry "hey I sent you 20 bucks, what do you mean you're not up to it now?" they lose what little support they have, and believe it that none of them are raking in bucks to begin with.



    NIK: Contrary to what silentconsort proffers, this is not about personal grudges or personal feelings about Bill White. I agree, right is right. If a case cannot be made against White, then I will say shame on the entity that arrested him. But, having been down this road before, I’m not going to count the feds out at this point.
    I believe that Bill White is clinically insane. I really do. If he isn’t tried and convicted then, at the very least, I hope that he is evaluated and placed somewhere where he can receive the treatment I believe that he needs.
    But, most importantly, I hope that no one ever has to be victimized by White again. >>


    SC: WHat do you mean by "not count the feds out at this point"? You mean as to their credibility or lack thereof? There are informants and feds who only get paid if there is an arrest made, or 'conspiracy discovered'. Therefore there is an incentive to create such. I can see if I truly thought there was a real threat. I have not heard of many cases where people go after the jury. Again I cite the OJ trial. Plenty of whites disappointed/angry with that, maybe thousands, not counting any Official WN types.Jurors became known, wrote books. Nothing happened to them. I have heard of cases where people go after the person who turned someone in or gave witness testimony- hence we have places like Oakland where drive-bys and shootings are probably by this writing past the 110 mark for this year partially because no one will give info,they are that afraid. As far as the insane angle, I recently read someone from SPLC saying the opposite, something to the effect of "oh, he's a smart guy, BW is, don't try to suggest they are nuts, etc." Is that guy suggesting that people with an IQ above room temperature have to be sane? And I am not talking fun-crazy-eccentric, I am saying that there are plenty of people who are high IQ who have some serious, not-fun or cute issues. If you take crazy out of it, was this SPLC guy saying that people deemed smart by tests or society don't do stupid things? Come ON.

    As far as the people posting the stuff about psychopaths and sociopaths, I don't think so. Those types tend to protect themselves, get what they can out of using people and at least until they show their true colors at least 'pass for likeable'- the higher end types being able to at least imitate/mimic what they think their mark wants to hear or humor or emotion- but both of those types generally would protect themselves and NOT draw attention to themselves the way BW does. I would not put either of those tags on him. From listening to many of his audios, he may be at times somewhat boorish, but he does not have the sound at all like the classic hesitant, manipulative, souless fake emotive qualities. Boorish and offensive and talking about personal stuff that is REAL is NOT characteristic of the psycho/sociopath, unless it is a well-thought out part of some manipulative plan,and given the magazines, postings (if the ones people are quoting are true) real-life behavior at events, etc. I would say BW does NOT fit the psycho/sociopath descriptor. Not many of us do,and that is why when there is a serial killer or similar , it gets so much attention.Some actually think it is 'cool' to pretend to be like one, because they believe it carries way more 'glam-attention-cool-factor' to copycat the rare % of the far end of defectives than just be your average, garden variety as&h*le/loser because those are everywhere.

    Like a kid who does bad things for attention, or smiles evily, most of them are not really Evil. Some people even engage in what amounts to psychological malingering- NOT the Beavis and Butthead "yeah yeah, I'm like Ted Bundy, charming and dangerous, ladies!" or the amended version " I'm a hardcore, cold-blooded (insert whatever cartoon character or stereotypic evil white guy character : skinhead, Nazi, moose lodge, DMV worker) type crap, but trying to get people to think they are screwed up, either depressed, bi-polar, etc. with this or that for whatever reason, usually attention, sympathy - maybe a check. Psychopaths are often confused with the state of being psychotic, which is a loss of contact with reality that can take on many forms. These are not the same things. The DSM-IV is a big book, and one does not automatically jump to the most heard about or seen in the movies diagnosis because there might be something going on. BW appears to be social, and functional in society, despite the magazines, the words posted, the uniforms, etc. He has the real estate holdings,a wife and kid and more than one person has spoken about how he would care for his daughter. Sure, in the movies they like to show the average everyday white man with a family who is also a part-time serial killer- but in real life, these types tend towards the dys/non-functional rather than someone who has to deal with the day in ,day out of responsibilities.On some level, people usually know when they are 'not right' in the head, even if they won't admit it, or are afraid to admit it- they know something isn't right.They just don't know what it is.Usually this is , as I mentioned before, more harmful to those people they become close to or live with on a daily basis than the outside world. BW may have issues, but I do not believe they are so far removed from the problems the rest of us have, given the fact he was able to maintain interactions with work and family. A person who is able to maintain such is usually NOT out to victimize others, because they are busy with their own life. It is the other type, the type he is not the far more defective types that lack empathy and don't much care what happens to their life or that of others. Thank you for opening up this important discussion.

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  37. The point to be made is that Nikki is a hypocrite. This very blog features a link to One Peoples Project, a group that posts the information of their ideological enemies in the hope that anti-racist "lone wolves" will track these people down, harass or hurt them. No matter what Daryl Jenkins states, it all amounts to a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge, don't do anything illegal" type operation. Which is the same thing Bill White is going to jail for.

    Yeah, Bill White belongs in jail. Daryl Lamont Jenkins should be in the cell next door, too.

    So Nikki, spare us the phony moralizing. You're a glaring hypocrite in this regard.

    Of course, like I stated before, since OPP backs the current regime and what it wants as far as pushing open borders and "multiculturalism", nothing will ever be done about it. It isn't a question of what is legal or not, or "right" and "wrong" (whatever the hell that means these days) but who runs afoul of what the system wants.

    If CAH really wants to condemn illegal activity, then they shoudl sever ties with OPP.

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  38. Anonymous,

    OPP didn't threaten a JUROR. OPP didn't call phone a JUROR. OPP didn't send all sorts of threatening text messages to a juror. OPP didn't say "kill, kill, kill"

    See, these idiots think BW is in jail for posting personal information. That's not why he is in jail, he is in jail for threatening a federal jury. Maybe if you spent time reading the indictment, you would understand this.

    Such idiots.....

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  39. Nobody goes to Zogsnightmare.com so he comes and posts it here.

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  40. Wow Nikki, I'm surprised you even posted the comment that goes against your beliefs. I wrote a defense for Bill and posted it in a number of white supremacists sites and they viciously attacked me.

    The news web sites wouldn't even post something that was in favor of a supremacist. I have found that Bill doesn't have many friends and very few will stick up for him.

    This is what I said:

    With all of the Bill White drama that has been circulating lately I thought it would be interesting for people to hear more than one side of the story so I’ll get right into it.

    Bill White has the right to say whatever off the wall comment he wants, and that should never be taken away. Physically harming someone is much different than saying something radical that few agree with.

    It is my opinion that anyone who feels that the American Constitution should be amended and freedom of speech should be taken away, should leave this great country and live somewhere else where you will have the opportunity to be taken to prison for saying something that is politically incorrect or even outright ignorant.

    White’s site has endlessly promoted non-violence in the white supremacy movement and denounced and removed anyone from the party if they committed any illegal act. This outright denouncing of the radical elements of the white supremacist movement has in-turn lead to his ostrization from the movement. Evidence of this is presently on almost every white supremacist web site in the country.

    White’s first charges that he will have to deal with in Chicago are obstruction of justice for posting a jurors home address in a case against white supremacist, Matt Hale. There is quite a big difference in posting someone’s address to be ridiculed for what he felt was an unjust decision than actually physically harming the person. At no point were any implications made to physically harm the juror. Only a mentally insane individual would take the posting as a hidden message to murder a juror. This is almost identical to the accusations that we have all heard against a musician that their music lyrics made them go and murder someone. The only difference in this case is that no one was physically harmed in any way.

    If anything was crystal clear to readers of Whites web site it was that radical off the wall statements were made to draw attention, which accompanied continual condemnation of violence within the white supremacist movement.

    It is unfortunate that the FBI took the site down so this cannot be seen.
    Here you can turn back time and see a little of his site.
    http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
    Type in www.overthrow.com

    Now lets turn the tables and look at this from another angle. The Roanoke City Treasurer gave Bill Whites home address to white supremacist, Jim Ramm from a simple phone call he gave them. Ramm reported it on his web site answpwatch.blogspot.com and linked to it from his web site www.zogsnightmare.com.
    Ramms answpwatch web site was full of violent members of the supremacist movement who wanted to murder White for his acts against them. They even threatened that they will be “paying him a visit”.

    Evelyn Powers of the Roanoke City Treasurers office responded to questioning of why this information would be given to Ramm and whether their policies of doing so should be changed. Powers says “the City Treasurer does not give out personal information.” And “Real Estate is not confidential and is a matter of public record”.

    In response to Powers authoritive statement, no where in the US Constitution does it say that city governments have to give out peoples personal home addresses as public information.

    The same day of Powers questioning, all of Jim Ramms answpwatch blog comments were removed. Two days following the entire site was removed by the Google owned company, Blogger.com. Ramm also removed the link to it from his zogsnightmare site.

    Just a snippit of proof remains here:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=roanoke+city+treasurer%2C+bill+white&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    This entire drama was likely created by the FBI in an attempt to clear the path for Obama, not allowing Whites recent magazine to be published. The magazine has the title, Kill this Nigger and just below it it says The Obama Assassination Myth.

    Inside the magazine it talks about it being nothing more than a myth drummed up by the Obama campaign that the white supremacists want to kill him.

    You can see it here:
    http://www.nwnsm.org/images/nationalsocialist0808-0908_mini.pdf
    And the final page here:
    http://www.nwnsm.org/images/hales_jewror.pdf

    This is also quite possibly a diversionary tactic to take the eye off the recent independent review of Massachusetts state homeland security funding. They shamelessly got caught with a list of over 50 peaceful protestors that they were watching in Massachusetts. People who had absolutely no links to any form of terrorism. Bill White was on that list and he doesn’t even live in Massachusetts. This leads to the question of where the tens of thousands in surveillance dollars of White actually went.

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  41. More lies and bullshit from Cris Drake that are a waste of time worth responding to.

    However I would like to point out one of his major lies.

    Zogsnightmare does get a shitload of traffic and I can prove it:

    http://feedjit.com/stats/zogsnightmare.com/map/?x=83&y=38&w=160&h=94

    www.shitskin.com gets plenty of traffic also:

    http://feedjit.com/stats/shitskin.com/map/?x=25&y=65&w=160&h=94

    Drake lies are no more believable than Bill's. You stabbed Von in the back and who is next?

    You have no honor...

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  42. Schwartz,

    I could give a rat's a** that Bill White is in jail. Quite frankly, in this case, more power to them.

    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in "anti-racists" moralizing about "putting people in harm's way" because of their political/social/religious philosophy. Especially considering how violent, hate-filled, and criminally-prone the "Antifa" movement actually is.

    Irony proof, Schwartz?

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  43. Liar liar paints on fire.

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  44. On the other hand, I doubt Antifa is stupid enough to sink to the level of all these infighting "costume Nazis". No wonder American WN never get anywhere, dragging burdensome fools like these along.

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  45. Anonymous said...

    The point to be made is that Nikki is a hypocrite. This very blog features a link to One Peoples Project

    __________________________________

    Posting a link isn't necessarily agreeing with DLK. I don't believe in posting private information with intent to terrorize. More over if you read Mr. Schwartz's post the posting of information isn't all Bill is being charged with. Threatening and attempting to terrorize jury members will not be tolerated (and rightly so). If Bill is convicted of this he will see time.

    I don't always agree with Nikki but I don't see her as being hypocritical Mr. Anonymous argument fails.

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  46. These people have hurt the WN cause more than any Anti could ever hope to.

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  47. I can't believe anyone would stick up for Bill White. If another White Nationalist was in jail he would be writing his half lies half truth BS commentary.

    As for Chris Drake I read on Vnn how he attacked Von until there was nothing left of him. He's just another bully like Bill White.

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  48. Excellent discussion between Nikki and SC. Very good points. I just wish there was an idiot filter for the vulgar folks.

    They really have nothing, but retardation, to offer the discussion - either pro-WN or Anti.

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  49. You need a free-range tard corral Nik! ;)

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  50. http://www.roanoke.com/pdfs/White_Indictment.pdf

    What this Schwartz person posted about, he is trying to make people go read the indictment and think it is anything other than what we have said it is- trying to create a conspiracy out of yes, posting a name and address,just like we said. Schwartz is trying to make it look bigger and realer than it is by having us read the legal jargon-

    He says it is about some conspiracy to solicit blah blah blah to this Juror A. However in reading this indictment, I am not seeing this other party, whom we all know is 99.9 not probably a real person but the IDEA of a real person.But we are supposed to look at the indictment and PRETEND these official sounding words like 'threat' and 'solicitation' 'intent' mean he tried to get a real guy to do something, but it is all MADE UP. Do you see how they play with the wording?

    I see some vague reference about 'another person'- does that mean a real actual specific person who exists, or in a general sense- hair splitting that BY POSTING the info itself , he is doing such? Ok here is the copy/paste. Keep in mind when dealing with legalese, every word and meaning counts and every interpretation counts- and I have added to it as translation-

    "defendant herein(BW) , with intent
    (this is the supposition, the charge, the accusation) that another person(
    who may or may not exist, it may be an assumption about anyone reading the page, not anyone he spoke to or actually exists) engage in conduct constituting a felony that
    has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use
    (HAS AS AN ELEMENT? does this mean the forum? what does this mean?)

    of force (again accusation) against the person of
    Juror A, in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly
    corroborative
    (strongly corroborative means circumstantial- trumping up the simple posting as a solicitation in itself)
    of that intent, solicited and otherwise endeavored to persuade such other person
    (again , WHAT other person? If BW is being named as the person actually doing the solicitation, where is this other real life breathing person? Or again, is it just the IDEA of SOME Vague non-existent real person , that they MIGHT do something)
    to engage in such conduct; in that defendant solicited and otherwise endeavored to persuade
    another person
    (redundancy, make it look like the charge is bigger and more real than it is. If BW is named as the solicitor of such, and not the other way around, someone setting HIM up, soliciting HIM, then where is this person who was 'solicited'? Or- is it like I said, the 'person' isn't really a person, it's an IDEA that a real person MIGHT do something.)

    Blah blah blah speculation, blah blah turn smoke into flesh,blah blah blah magic lawyer talk....they think, someone might, where is the Real Life Person who was solicted?

    to injure Juror A...."


    I don't believe there IS a real person, I think they saw this following part and said OK, let's set a precedent and make it so - Here's The REAL Part of what is actually going on here, note BW ( i would have to verify this was actually said by BW, but in this statement the maker uses the phrasing OPINION they should be lynched, which is wholly different than the accusation of actual solicitation of a Real Person with a Name.

    “When the courts start enforcing laws against Internet
    threats and actual violence against anti-racists and the mainstream, Jewish owned media
    which finances and encourages them, I will stop broadcasting people’s names and address
    with the opinion they should be lynched...." BW

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  51. Uh...SC - great discussion and one that I look forward to continuing.

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  52. Some have claimed that the BW indictment is about nothing other than free speech and if Bill goes down we all will.

    Bullshit!

    What type of speech are we so worried about protecting? The right to make death threats? Nobody should have that right and Bill is finding out he didn't either.

    We don't need the right to threaten to kill people.

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  53. Bill White will soon be nothing more than a drag strip on the underwear of the white Nationalist movement.

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  54. SilentSort,

    You just lost some credibility with this quote you said

    "I am not seeing this other party, whom we all know is 99.9 not probably a real person"

    Sorry, that juror is a REAL PERSON. 100% a real person.

    You are going to have to trust me, Bill White named the juror along with all sorts of other stuff. The name of that juror has been repeated on VNNForum (which plays right into the government case BTW).

    Now of course, the government does have to prove all this in court, no question. We won't know all the evidence until this goes to trial. If White pleas a deal, we'll never see the evidence.

    Can the feds do it with Bill White's parents paying tens of thousands of dollars for his lawyers? Again, we'll see.

    And yes, you do have to read the legal indictment, not just sit on VNN or even here and take anyone's word for it. It's all in the indictment. I suggest you do read it.

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  55. I have to agree with anonymouse.

    The biggest enemy WN have are other WN.

    Nikki, Jews, blacks, et all have never gone after WN the way some of their own have. Blevins is one good example, but there are hundreds of examples.

    You don't see our enemies airing out their laundry on the internet for everyone to see. Our enemies are NOT destroying themselves with their own paranoia.

    I have a theory of why this is, but I will wait and see if anyone else is smart enough to pinpoint what the root cause is.

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  56. Schwartz-It is clear I meant a third party that doesn't exist-not the juror- that wouldn't make sense to suggest the 'solicitation' would be towards the ex-juror. People know I meant this alleged 'person' is actually the IDEA that a person could act, unless there is another 'Evola' involved in this. The way the long and short versions of the indictment read are tricky, because it makes one think there actually is a third party involved, but as I said in my dissection of the short version in my last post- I believe they want to put across the idea that words themselves are a solicitation, that simply putting the name and address out there are a solicitation, that saying "In my opinion, X and Y should happen." is a solicitation. That is not illegal.
    Yet. But they are obviously quoting White when he says (paraphrase) "I'm going to keep posting my OPINION that X and Y should happen, and posting personal info until they make it illegal.." The language is very tricky , but it is all vague and not naming a real third party, but trying to make it SOUND like it is some grand mafioso conspiracy. Unless they can actually come up with some Evola-like plant, they really don't have anything. They can change the law, but they can't retroactively say the simple posting of info and expressing of opinion is in itself illegal, no matter how vicious or distasteful the context.


    I'm not losing credibility, Schwartz. It was clear I meant a third party and not the juror. You're just trying to create a distraction or mis-state what I said, which was obvious as it would make no sense to suggest White would be soliciting the juror. Duh. Away from that, I will repeat point.

    I don't see any Actual Third Party who was solicited to do anything against the ex-juror from 6 years ago.

    They are using the POSSIBILITY that a person , any person may have been influenced by what White wrote, but problem is, nothing happened to ex-juror and there is no conspiracy. White is a Real Person, Ex-Juror is Real, the "person" allegedly solicited is HYPOTHETICAL= Not REAL.
    When one reads the indictment - on its face it looks like the 3rd party mentioned is an actual person, but upon closer inspection, and analysis of legal slimeball trickery language, one can see the BS being perpetrated. If they can materialize some infiltrator kook, that is one thing- if they are trying to suggest posting an "opinion that X should happen" and an address = illegal, it won't fly. They would have to change the law.

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