Monday, November 16, 2009

FAIR & IMPARTIAL?


It still shocks us. We can't forget. We shouldn't forget. Remembering...all of us do. We know precisely where we were and precisely what we were doing on September 11, 2001.

While the pictures and the footage were horrendous - we couldn't take our eyes off of them. It's as if we had to watch to believe that it was really happening - to us...to America.

As the story began to unfold, we were outraged...angry...livid. We wanted revenge - an eye-for-an-eye. We demanded some sort of retaliation. And we mourned.

Now, all these years later, it would seem that America will fulfill part of its' pledge to bring some of the guilty to justice - and we intend to do so where it all took place, right in the heart of New York City. We intend to give those we believe took part in the attacks a "fair trial." Some say that's a lot more than what they deserve. Others say that it is fitting. Still others believe that it opens the door for more attacks while some wonder at the ability of a trial set in New York City to be fair and impartial. What do you think?

57 comments:

  1. Give 'em the needle. The ones that are already dead go to their homes and torture their families. It will take a lot of fun out of being a martyr if you know after you die someone is going to take the blow torch to your mommies toes. Fuck 'em they are all sandniggers anyway.

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  2. Why are these terrorist assholes being brought back to New York city? Why are they being given a civil trial when this was an act of fucking war?

    This is a show trial so the terrorist can paw through intelligence reports.

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  3. Is it any wonder Nikki is applauding a stunningly stupid decision by Obama/Holder to exact revenge against Bush/Cheney with no regard for the national security of the American people. Bush, the Congress and the courts had devised a perfectly acceptable military tribunal to deal with these illegal combatants in a manner that was compatible with historical tradition while protecting national security. It is NOT in America's interest to give these scum a forum to spout off their Islamo-fascist propaganda or to give them the same due process afforded ordinary criminals to manipulate the system to their benefit. No, this is a highly partisan political decision motivated by a obsessive need to embarrass Bush rather than to protect Americans. Obama's and Holder's reasons are totally lame - this is a thinly camouflaged scheme to force exposure of interrogation techniques used to elicit intel from terrorist monsters who would be willing to exterminate every American if they could find a way do it.

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  4. There is NO rational reason to bring these bastards to New York City for trial, ESPECIALLY since OTHER GITMO DETAINEES ARE BEING TRIED IN FRONT OF MILITARY TRIBUNALS AT GITMO... Are these particular SCUMBAGS "better than" the rest of the detainees, or is there a more politically-driven and sinister motive by the obama cabal to put GWB, @!$# Cheney, the CIA, and other Bush-era officials "on trial by default" USING THESE TERRORISTS as the excuse to air obama's and the Democrats' grudge match against the Bush Administration? This bullshit is just sleazy, vindictive and unpresidential.

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  5. Hey asswipe, hey dipshit, is it really necessary to make three straight posts? We knew you were a fucking moron by the first one. Showing your ass two more times is usless, dipshit.

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  6. Anonymous said...
    "Is it any wonder Nikki is applauding a stunningly stupid decision by Obama/Holder to exact revenge against Bush/Cheney with no regard for the national security of the American people."

    To try these people in a civilian court had been planned already under the Bush Ad.

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  7. Where...just where, am I applauding? I asked questions of you.

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  8. My stupid assed husband thinks that Jews did 911 but then that dumbass bastards thinks that about everything. The other night his tiny little pecker wouldn't get hard and he blamed it on "da joos".

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  9. Pedophile Steve Holsten is passing out KKK flyers in Kennett, Missouri

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575243,00.html?test=latestnews

    And we know it's the pedo doing it.

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  10. You want to know the real problem Nikki? We've turned into a nation of cry baby pussies. We are an embarrassment to the great generation. A generation that fought off the goose stepping ratzis and Tojo as well and survived a great depression (brought to you by the GOP). My grandfather was killed in Europe during WWII (he was killed by a sniper two days after his unit liberated Dauchau), my father was crippled in Vietnam, and I fought in the first Desert Storm.

    Pussies like Blevins and Drake, who dress up like make believe Nazis make my asshole itch. Not only do the little pussies not work (at least in Blevin's case) and disrespect those that fought in WWII, but the no working little cocksucker tries to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. Fuck them, I'd like to put my size 13 boot squarely in their asses. You boys want to be real men? Join the fucking army, bitches.

    The same pretty much goes for the current version of the Republican party. Sarah Palin oh please, that is one stupid cunt. She should take the book money and run. She is not qualified to run her family much less the damned country. She gonna quit the presidency when the going gets rough? When the fuck is the GOP gonna stop the goddamn cry baby bullshit, you lost the damn election Rush now shut the fuck up! Wahahahahaha No, is not a policy. But hold on, don't get me started on the liberal democratics. I work for a living I don't have time to pay everyone who is looking for a goddamn hand out.

    Quit your fucking belly aching. I am Big Boa and I am mad as fucking hell. You want to make this country a better place? Go to work, suck it in and do you part but above all stop your crying. America does not need to be afraid of the terrorist, they need to be afraid of us. Give that goddamn Ft. Hood terrorist the goddamn needle and the same goes for the 911 bastards. America love it or leave it.

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  11. white nationalists praised the actions of the 911 terroists on that fateful day. Alex linder is in bed with muslims for the fact that islamic radicals hate the jews. David duke shakes hands with irans cruel, dishonest, and holocaust denialist leader amedinajad (however you spell is fuckin name). The WP are all liars, traitors and frauds, just like those that they hate. They are no better than those hijackers.

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  12. ooooh...Boa - I think I like it when you're mad.

    Does anyone remember Project Bojinka? Now...conspiracy theories abound - but this is one that just puzzles the hell out of me.

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  13. Rev. BigBoa@, you just topped anyone on this board as king crybaby. Why don't you shut your hole and speak when spoken to?

    Nikki,

    Are you saying that you would prefer a civilian trial over a military tribunal?

    There is only one reason for a civilian trial and it is for public exposure and to send a clear message to the towel heads that if you fuck with America you will be tried and sentenced to death. And I do not wish to pay 50K a year to take care of these towel heads until they are killed.

    However, the disadvantages outweigh the positive exposure considering the terrorists will have access to all of the intelligence documents where the military would not allow this to happen.

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  14. Bob Cooper - I will never forget how they praised the actions of the terroists. It was one of the most disgusting displays I have ever witnessed.

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  15. """Does anyone remember Project Bojinka? Now...conspiracy theories abound - but this is one that just puzzles the hell out of me."""

    Yes, it's not a conspiracy theory. They are presently in prison.

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  16. """Bob Cooper said...
    white nationalists praised the actions of the 911 terroists on that fateful day."""

    Anyone who would side with Muslims for attacking innocent civilians just because they have a commonality of hating the Jew is a worthless bag of shit.

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  17. I'm trying to decide, Hooch. Certainly, the accessability of our intelligence documents is a huge concern.

    The other question that is being raised is, what happens if any of them are acquitted? Strange things happen in courts of law. I can't imagine that happening - but, what if...

    I agree that it is largely being done to send a message.

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  18. "However, the disadvantages outweigh the positive exposure considering the terrorists will have access to all of the intelligence documents where the military would not allow this to happen."

    Exactly! The defense will have power of discovery.

    What these guys did was an act of a combatant/warfare--they are not entitled to a trial with all the benefits of citizenship. Like that anon. poster said above about lower profile detainees being tried by military tribunals--what makes these guys different?

    The only difference is it has to be political.

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  19. Well... the conspiracy of which I am thinking is that perhaps all things are connected...

    In 1990, a young Puerto Rican man who had been in much trouble with the law, moved to South Florida and got a job at an area Taco Bell. This young man was Jose Padilla - no relation the ex-wife of Terry Nichols. Jose Padilla became interested in the Islamic community which is sizable in the Fort Lauderdale area. He began inquiring about converting to the Islamic faith. During that time frame, 1992-93, Adham Hassoun was handling the registration of the Benevolence International Foundation in Plantation, Florida, only five minutes away from where Padilla worked. The Foundation is an Islamic charity which has been indicted by the government for funding terrorist activity. Haussoun, a Palestinian, was quite popular in the Islamic community, but according to CBS news, the U.S. government has tied him to Al Qaeda, and he is currently being held in custody for being an al Qaeda operative in a U.S. based network of Middle-Eastern terrorists. It is reported that he was instrumental in assisting Padilla's conversion to Islam.

    Also in South Florida during this time frame was Timothy McVeigh. On an extended visit to his sister, who lived in Plantation, Florida, McVeigh was just a few blocks away from Padilla's place of employment - Taco Bell. McVeigh's penchant for Taco Bell burrito's has been well chronicled as he was awaiting trial in Denver, Colorado. He was held in the basement of the Federal Courthouse in Denver, and was given an allotment for food - much of that allotment was spent on Taco Bell.

    Several witnesses, after the bombing, claim to have seen McVeigh in the company of a young Hispanic male. As Padilla's name kept surfacing, his picture was placed next to the composite drawing done by the FBI - an uncanny likeness that is almost chilling.

    Jose Padilla converted to Islam in 1994, and changed his name to Ibrahim. He did this during a time when al Qaeda was recruiting United States citizens in the South Florida area for the purpose of obtaining clean or "lily white" passports. Two of those most noted "recruits" were Zacharias Moussaoui, the reported "20th highjacker" in the September 11th attacks, and Richard Reid the infamous "shoe bomber." Padillo married in 1994, quit his job and studied Islam. By all accounts, even though Jose was unemployed, money seemed to be no problem for he and his bride.

    For about six months before the bombing, Padilla seemed to drop completely out of sight. He was well known for excessive traffic violations and incurred tickets regularly - "almost like clockwork" as one reporter put it. Eventually, his license was suspended. But, during the period from December 28, 1994 through June 9, 1995, Padilla received no citations, then he was back on his "like clockwork routine." While the FBI made no connection between Padilla and the Oklahoma City bombing, several people have identified him as being with Timothy McVeigh. And there are many who believe he played a role in the events of April 19th.

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  20. Padilla traveled to Pakistan and changed his name once more - it is now, Abdullah al-Muhajir. This worked well for Padilla as he ingratiated himself into the higher echelons of al Qaeda. The lieutenant in charge of Padilla was Abu Zubayda, a top al Qaeda planner. But, perhaps the most notable of those who Padilla reported to was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed - the mastermind behind the attacks of September 11th. Jose Padilla is currently being held "indefinitely" by the Bush administration, in a military prison for plotting to build and detonate a radiological "dirty bomb" in the United States.

    While South Florida has long been fertile ground for al Qaeda operatives, perhaps the most well known area for Middle-East terrorist "think tanks" is the island of Mendanao in the Philippines. In or around September 1994, Ramzi Yosef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed arrived in Mendanao for the purpose of launching project "Bojinka." Ramzi Yosef was the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. It should be noted that the 1993 bombing was dramatically similar to the OKC bombing. Both bombs were massive fertilizer bombs. Both were delivered in Ryder trucks rented in adjoining states and both were detonated at times that would inflict the most casualties.

    Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the third in command of al Qaeda. He is purported to be the organizer of the September 11th attacks. It has also been reported that he, personally, slit the throat of Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter. A hardline, Islamic fundamentalist, Kahlid had attended college in North Carolina while building a dossier on American life for the purpose of reaping terror on the United States in the future. It has been reported that the presence of Khalid and Yosef as well as Hakim Abdul Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah in Mendanao is reported to have been ordered by Osama bin Laden. Murad is a piolt who trained in at least four United States flight schools while Shah fought with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan.

    Project Bojinka was an elaborate plot to bring the American government to its knees. Yosef was first to recruit conspirators on behalf of Iraq for the eventual and simultaneous bombing of 12 airliners, en route to the U.S., over the Pacific Ocean. While this was taking place, suicide bombers would highjack planes bound for the U.S. and fly them into key American buildings such as the Pentagon, CIA Headquaters and the World Trade Center. It is now believed that Terry Nichols was one of those recruits. Project Bojinka was scheduled to occur on January 21, 1995.

    All of these events and people seem to be connected. Yet we just keep dickin' around with them.

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  21. Ramzi Yousef was tried in court after master-minding the bombing of the World Trade Center. We are now paying to house him in Florence, CO.

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  22. Enough is really enough Nikki. I am not much for liberals but they didn't cry near as much when Bush was "elected". A real conservative should kick Limbaugh in his fat ass.

    Hey Hooch/Von why don't you say that to my face you fat pasty coward? Go take your meds Von, oh and be sure and ask Berny if it is okay for you to go make poo! Which in my estimation is the only "productive" thing you have ever done with your life.

    In my estimation most conspiracy theorists are loser idiots that want to make something out of nothing. Here are some examples. Oswald killed Kennedy Modern forensics uphold the Warren Commission. Jews did not do 911. WTC Building 7 or any of the other buildings were not detonated. Only idiots believe other wise.

    Von is a mental patient with delusions. This is not in question.
    Now excuse me, I have work to do.

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  23. Interesting! And we should keep a close eye on the government involvement in this as well as they are always the initiator of wars.

    WW1 - Americans did not want in the war. The Lucitania was sank by Germans. The Germans warned that if we sent a civilian ship through the war zone they will sink it. They even went so far to put an ad in the New York Times that if Americans boarded that ship they are doing so at their own risk. So we sent the ship through the war zone and they did what they said. This polarized the Americans so they all wanted to wipe those dirty Germans off the face of the Earth. Rockafeller made 200 million off this war. The war cost 30 billion dollars which was borrowed from the Federal Reserve Bank with interest, what most people don't realize is a "private" bank that has been masked as a public entity.

    WW11 - Japs attack Pearl Harbor. The "surprise" attack was known weeks prior. On November 25th, 1941 Roosevelts Secretary of War, Henry Stimson documented " The question was how should we maneuver them into firing the first shot... It was desirable to make sure the Japaneese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who were the aggressors."
    Prior to the attack, Roosevelt halted trade with Japan, froze all japaneese assets in the united states, and aided the japs enemies which is a violation of the international war rules. 3 days before the attack Austrailian intelligence warned Roosevelt about the attack. Roosevelt ignored it and intentionally failed to let anyone prepare. Rockafeller funded Germany and the United States for this war.

    Vietnam - This war was started by an attack on US battleships by Vietnamese PT boats in the Gulf of Tonkin. This attack was a complete lie! It never happened. Multiple top ranking military professionals on the ships and in charge of the ships admitted it never happened after the war. Secretary of Defence, Robert McNamara even admitted the gulf of Tonkin incident was a "mistake"! Linden Johnson lifted the trade restrictions on the Soviet block knowing full and well that the Soviet Union was supplying the Vitnameese with over 80% of their military supplies. This allowed the war to go on. They included rediculus rules of engagement to make sure we had a long though fight. Like North Vietnameese Anti aircraft Missle systems could NOT be bombed until they were known to be operational! No enemy could be persued once they crossed the Vietnam boarder into another boardering country and that the most critical strategic targets could not be engaged unless there was high military approval. And to top it off, North Vietnam was informed about these restrictions so they could build entire strategies around our limitations.

    The school systems in the United States are run by Who? And the curriculum is made by Who? So is it true that the school systems are leaving out some very critical and undeniable historical facts when they teach? All of the information is verifiable.

    And that brings us to 911. Anyone who has thoroughly heard the evidence against the US regarding 911 realizes that this is an issue the the government needs to respond to.

    The "conspiracy theorists" believe that the government was aware that these towel heads were going to attack so they did what was necessary to make sure they could pull it off in a big way. Including planting explosives.

    I would like to know undeniable truth on this so we could sentence those politicians involved.

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  24. """Hey Hooch/Von why don't you say that to my face you fat pasty coward?"""

    I would love to. And I would also be willing to pay your burger flipping salary door to door for you to come here so I can get the opportunity to do so. When shall we meet?

    """Go take your meds Von, oh and be sure and ask Berny if it is okay for you to go make poo!"""

    Who is Berny?

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  25. Hooch--you are a breath of fresh air, my man. Keep the pearls of wisdom coming.

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  26. Hey, Boa:

    What is so damn conspiratorial about pointing out the fact that this coming trial in New York is motivated by politics?

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  27. This is too funny. It is Von, only that dumbass is so fucking lame to follow his own bullshit up so obiviously. LOL

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  28. What some here might be missing is that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed himself has already admitted his guilt and wants to die a martyr.

    Again, why the need for the Obama/Holder to have this show trial?

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  29. "This is too funny. It is Von, only that dumbass is so fucking lame to follow his own bullshit up so obiviously. "

    That Vonbluvens character is everywhere man!

    You guys really crack me up. Von must have really left an impression on your minds. This stupid character has been off the radar for over a year and you dopes still talk about him.

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  30. While unemployment is 10.2 percent and rising, Obama gives the American people show trials.

    Where are the jobs Mr. President?

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  31. Yousef stood in court and said, "I am a terrorist, and I am proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government."

    This is typical behavior for those who consider themselves to be on a jihadist mission. They all want to be martyrs. In a civilian court there is sure is no guarantee that these cretins will get the death penalty.

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  32. Yousef stood in court and said, "I am a terrorist, and I am proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government."

    This is typical behavior for those who consider themselves to be on a jihadist mission. They all want to be martyrs. In a civilian court there is sure is no guarantee that these cretins will get the death penalty.

    Exactly. Go the next step and ask the question of why this trial in New York, when the "defendant" already proudly declared his guilt.

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  33. Yelp! Whine whine whine. Hooch\Von at it again. Whining about Jobs. Go get a job you fucking bitch and stop your crying baby bullshit. IS ANYTHING ABOUT THAT UNCLEAR, BITCH?

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  34. """Rev. BigBoa@ said...Yelp! Whine whine whine. Hooch\Von at it again."""

    Whining about whining again. You never stop.

    ...And lets get back to business again. It appears that you are dodging my offer.


    """Hey Hooch/Von why don't you say that to my face you fat pasty coward?"""

    I would love to. And I would also be willing to pay your burger flipping salary door to door for you to come here so I can get the opportunity to do so. When shall we meet?

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  35. I live in Detroit. There is a boxing Gym called the 10th Street Gym (not sure if it is still listed in the phone book as that). I take my lunch break there on Tuesday's and Thursday's. 11:00 to 12:15. Ask for Evans, I am well known there.

    I am 40 now Vonblubber but I was a Golden Glove Junior boxer in my teens and early 20's, I almost went pro. I am in excellent shape and would pound your fat ass. I'll get the phone number of the Gym for you tomorrow. I doubt that Bernie will let your fat ass out of the house. LOL

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  36. Hooch (Vonblubber) it is called Downtown Boxing, my bad. The phone number is 313-334-9600 bring your fat ass in for a beating you won't forget.

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  37. Quite interesting how you talk the big talk but pussy out when we start talking business. I offered to PAY you HOURLY to come here. And I did not get that offer from you.

    Your boxing experience means nothing to me because I'm a street brawler with training in Muay Thai and will tear you apart. My dad also has his golden gloves and DID box professionally in Detroit Michigan and Chicago. He put himself through college fighting.

    I was raised to fight and thoroughly enjoy it to get out my rage.

    Back when they used to be called Tough Man Competitions, prior to the rules of today, I won mens light heavyweight in Wilmington North Carolina and came in 3rd in Charlotte. And, I've got news for you cream puff, I'm not Von

    I am the epitome of the angry white male in the United States.Half German, half Norwegian - rage courses through my veins and I will wreck your world.

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  38. Can't we just all Git along? I'm sure beating the hell out of each other is gonna prove your point. Man, too much testerone around here for me. You Keyboard Rambos PLEASE DON'T HURT ME. lol.

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  39. Little Boa needs to be taught the lesson to speak when spoken to. He thinks he is Billy Badass but doesn't realize that I have this unique ability to make a grown man cry.

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  40. Boa sounds like a cranky old man that needs to be taught a lesson by Vonbluvens.

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  41. All real Americans will breath a sigh of relief when they see Boa, the federal lap dog, finally get his ass kicked by Vonbluvens. Keep in mind that Big Mouth Boa has been talking about getting Vonbluvens for nearly ten years now.

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  43. Wouldn't it be funny if Hooch really isn't blevins and boa has been making threats against someone he doesn't even know?

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  44. Isn't vonbluvens the same guy Boa threatened to tattoo or carve a star of david on his forehead?

    Weird it is.

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  45. Keyboard commando bullshit. Just like the special olympics.

    Why is this boa character making threats against anonymous posters. What a fucking idiot.

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  46. If I ain't mistaken, Boa knows exactly where bluvens lives.

    Even if Boa walked from Detroit he could have made it to Sarasota by now.

    Don't you just love these blowhards with their empty fucking threats? lol

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  47. If I ain't mistaken, Boa knows exactly where bluvens lives.

    Even if Boa walked from Detroit he could have made it to Sarasota by now.

    Don't you just love these blowhards with their empty fucking threats? lol

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  48. Boa has always been a hot head. I really am not sure about his feud with Von but my brother used to impersonate Ticker on the Nim board and egg the whole thing on, it was kind of funny. Since now both sides seem to be some kind of utltra bad, Kung Fu, Kwai Chang Caine, MMA Badasses it is oh so scarey (shakey scarcidy). The reality side though is that they've been threatening each other since 2002 or so and as far as I can see, except for a broken nail on the keyboard no one has actually gotten hurt :)

    As Nimbuster fueds go it is slightly more entertaining than the Woger/Lardass battle of the witless. It might only retain any semblance of interest if they would take the battle onto Jerry Springer (please God don't let Von go for any Jerry beads) and fight their battles out mano-a-mano. Maybe they could get triple billing with Woger/Lloyd and the shemale homo and the whole show could be called, "Nimbusters: When Keyboard Rambo's Flex their fat asses."

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  49. I think it is really funny that Boa knows Von for what he really is, few outside the WN movement do that. Von is a very disturbed person, Drake as well. Von believes that Chris can cast spells.

    Von and Drake are both fruit loops. Bisexual but they yern to be gay that is why they post all that shemale faggot bullshit all over nimbusters. They are sick little shits and shouldn't tell people they are white or have anything to do with the white national movement.

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  50. Where is my hunk of burning man, NewsGuy? Time to get dirty man of mine.

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  51. Any Tuesday or Thursday Blevins. Don't start making excuses now. Get your fat ass up here, fat boy. Time to put up or shut up.

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  52. Just like I said, I offered you MONEY to pay for your time and you chickened out.

    All of this time running your mouth about Von and what you're going to do. Then you get a PAID opportunity to back up what you speak to a person whom you think is Von and you chicken out.

    You're the shit on my shoe that I can't get off. A worthless bag of skin. You finally run into a person who will run you over like a freight train and you shut your little bitch hole and try to save face.

    It's too late now sissy boy. You've been exposed. I dragged you out on the floor and showed the world what you really are. Now shut your fucking hole and speak when spoken to! Is that understood bitch boy?

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  53. "The reality side though is that they've been threatening each other since 2002 or so..."

    Correction: Boa has been the only one, now as well as in the past, issuing the threats.

    All Von has ever said to the retard is, "You know where I live".

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  54. "Wouldn't it be funny if Hooch really isn't blevins and boa has been making threats against someone he doesn't even know?"

    Yes, it would be.

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  55. Boa, do yourself a favor: forget about playing tuff guy to Vonbluvens. Go back to your cushy government job, content with the fact that you'll drag on that teet for the rest of your life.

    Get a 20 year old girlfriend. Purchase a Mustang. Get hair implants. Nobody here thinks you are tuff and going after Vonbluvens over the internet is a real-world verification of that fact about to happen. You are a 40year old government employee and nobody is a threat to your manhood. You never had any to start with.

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  56. Well Boa I am sure that in your mind you are Mr. Tuff guy but Von is a pretty big guy. Not all fat guys are necessarily soft. The picture I remember seeing of you, well to be honest you didn't seem like all that big a guy (no offense Mr. K. Rambo, please don't hurt me). Didn't Von once take out George (Mr. Marine) Huffinson?

    Maybe you guys should just have a beer instead and bury the hacket? Cunt we all just git along?

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  57. Sounds like Boa is middle-age-crazy these days. A lot of guys go through the midlife crisis, and most of them get over it.

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