On a very personal level, I am absolutely outraged and quite sick and tired of self-appointed leaders thinking that they speak for me. The narcissitic personalities that comprise the "leadership" of the hate movement might be transparent and laughable to those of us who take the time to get to know them. However, there are those out there who neither have, or take, the time to know anything about them or their warped viewpoints.
As these racist Nazi wannabes take to the steps of State Capitols and to the streets of mainstream America, they are eager to speak for "white people." Why? Who asked them to? I would really love to find the person or persons who requested such representation.
I am a white person and no one - not once - ever asked me if they could shout racial slurs or anti-Semitic rantings with my blessings. To the best of my knowledge, none of my friends or acquaintences have ever been approached or solicited for their endorsement of a group of tattooed, swastika bearing, henchmen intimidating others with their hateful threats or speaking on their behalf. Not Once.
Last weekend a group of half-baked, rag-tag, white supremacists and Nazi's stood in front of an American high school and issued ultimatums to the city fathers and the residents. They threatened to bankrupt the city and to "sic" the Ku Klux Klan on any black student who harmed a white student. And they did this in the name of white people. Hullo...who asked ya?
Last month a group of circus clowns broke loose from the Barnum & Bailey outfit and started a riot in Toledo. They counted on the police to protect their right to shout hate-filled messages at the crowd who had gathered to oppose them - and they were protected. They spoke against minorities and cajoled the protestors - and they got just what they wanted. Bill White, leader of that contingent of the National Socialist Movement, claimed that they wanted violence and arrests - and they succeeded - in the name of white people.
The National Socialist Movement is led by Jeff Schoep. Of course, Jeff hasn't been around much lately since Mr. White nudged his way into the driver seat. White teamed up with Michalel Blevins of "VonBluvens"(Pictured left) fame thinking they would form a dynamic duo. The only thing that has come out of all of this is just another round of craziness by the racist right - all in the name of white people.
Jeff Schoep is reported to be unemployed and a father to numerous children from different women. He is a sleazy, foul-mouthed, individual who was arrested sometime back for burglary - a burglary that he committed with a girlfriend while her children waited in the car. He is pictured here with Scott Belk. Belk and his wife are currently wanted for the murder of Belk's mother. They have been on the run for several weeks now. And these are the people who speak for white people?
And then there is Craig Cobb. With camera in hand at the Kingston rally he infiltrated the press section and proceeded to badger and intimidate a seventeen year old girl bringing her to tears. Claiming to be a reporter for Vanguard News Network, Cobb attempted to stir the bystanders into action. Obviously, not one of the mainstream media, he failed to adhere to any of the ethical standards of generally acceptable behaviors. But, what else is new. Craig Cobb, who identifies himself as a Creator and follower of Ben Klassen, and the convicted and incarcerated Matt Hale, has been under investigation by federal law-enforcement for quite sometime now. When Judge Joan Lefkow ruled against Matt Hale in his trademark case, Cobb busied himself with posting the Judge's personal information on message boards throughout cyberspace. Following Matt Hale's lead, he concluded that the Judge was a Jew or, at the very least, married to a Jew. Later Hale was convicted for solicting Lefkow's murder and is currently serving forty years in a maximum security prison. Cobb didn't stop there, though. When Joan Lefkow's mother and husband were both killed in their Chicago home, Cobb continued to provide the racist right with information and "suggestions." I suppose he did all of this in the name of white people, as well.
The list of murderers and felons in the "movement" is a long one. While they demand their rights to freedom of speech, the rest of us are saddled with having our rights to feel safe and secure in our homes and communities trampled upon by the likes of them. And should we object too loudly or repetitively, we are threatened, and harrassed, and maligned - all in the name of white people.
I never asked for this kind of representation - the vast majority of us haven't. They don't speak for me or for the masses of Americans who don't even know that they exist. So...who asked them?
This was an excellent piece. Packed full of information I did not know even though I have been reading up on everything I can since these people came to my sleepy little city.
ReplyDeleteWell written and spoken. An angry mother I guess asked them to come? A Radio show host helped her .. I belive its all a publicity stunt to just make some noise for Mr. Turners web site. Thank you for this reading.
I just want to know why Kingston. When anyone who visits can see we are a very multi racial community.
And happy that way.
I had to edit this post. I left out a word. That's why the other one was deleted.
ReplyDeleteIt was not you two ladies' fault that the rally was a needed thing. That 300 lb Savage Beast who disfigured the Hendrick boy is to blame. Such behavior from Beasts like hin cannot be tolerated.
Toni:
ReplyDeleteLike you, I was sort of dragged into this; in my case, it was the NSM invasion of Toledo on October 15.
People such as Elmer like to overlook the fact that the assailant in the Kingston case was charged with felony assault, and that a hate crime charge could still be added after the case goes to the grand jury.
This is not about "justice for Robbie Hedrick;" it's about Hal Turner and the racist right exploiting a crime victim for their commercial and political gain.
You know Matt...I am outraged at violent crime period. I don't read the paper or listen to the news everyday wondering what black person hurt a white person. When I hear of violence I am outraged - regardless of race or gender or religion. I may be worng, but I do believe that most people in our world are the same way. And that is why most people in this society see you guys as the "fringe element," or the "whackos," or the real losers.
ReplyDeleteI care about a lot of things, Matt. I care about all things that affect humans negatively - and guess what...you people do just that. You are detrimental to all of us. The one solace in all of this is that you are also detrimental to yourselves.
Even if I believed in your ideology - I would be absolutely repulsed by what happened in front of Kingston High School! Come on Matt - they were giving the clenched fist, Black Power salute. I laughed so hard when I saw that - it made my day! The guy with the beer gut and the ZZ Top beard wearing the White Power shirt - that was a classic stereotypical example of the racist right. Craig Cobb et.al. trying to turn the rally into something that it wasn't supposed to be by intimidating a child and making despicable remarks - that would have incensed me.
But, as Mike said - this wasn't about Robbie. It was about Hal Turner who is a reprehensible opportunist who did nothing more than exploit the anguish of a mother and the very child that became their poster boy.
You guys may be able to delude yourself into thinking that you were involved in some sort of righteous uprising against violenece...but don't sell the rest of the world short.
In short order some of you will be following Mr. Bill onto the steps of City Hall in Toledo. Do yourselves a favor - don't bother. Because this, again, is nothing more than a feeding of the ego of an egomaniacal miscreant who gets his jollies watching how easily he can manipulate each and every one of you.
Incidentally Toni, thanks for the kudos. The guy with the tattooed forehead calls himself "Sgt. James" if that means anything to you.
ReplyDeleteYou know.. White kids beat me up when I was young. Called me white trash. They tried to set my hair on fire. White kids.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if there is some proverbial factory some where. A place bland of nature and dark in essence. This is where they manufacture haters.
I am a tad tired of the subject now. I hear the same arguements over and over and see nothing but KKK starting trouble and the world resisting.
Harry, there is a whole school of thought that agrees with you that racism of this depth is a mental illness. There is even a racist recovery program. I do know that this so called "movement" attracts more than its share of, what appears to be, mentally challenged people.
ReplyDeleteI don't know much about Mona Montgomery other than she is a contributor to Turner. As far as why she went off on the Holocaust at this mess can only be attributed to the fact that there are a bevy of one trick ponies in this "movement." They can only speak to one thing regardless of the current issue. I agree that it was pretty strange to bring such a topic to that event.
Zach...normally I would be pretty easy on someone so young - but do your parents know where you are and what you are doing? Also...you know that Amber Alert you have scrolling across the top of your webpage - they alert us to missing children - not just white kids - but black and Hispanic and Jewish...etc. That's the way humanity works - we look out for each other.
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ReplyDeleteSorry, I really hate having to do that. However, I also do not believe that anyone has to be subjected to that and I would like to keep this place open for awhile. That being said - Stevo/Elmer - please conduct yourself in a grown up manner - it's pretty sad when 16-year-old Zach shows up an adult who has had all kinds of time to learn civility.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about Zach - and I hope that all of this IS something that he will outgrow. He seems bright and articulate - and he has the whole world in front of him right now.
ReplyDeleteThis woman is definitely not wrapped too tight. So...the Jew dined on Christ...now that is a new one on me. The woman has made three posts on that board - and on two out of three she sounds completely whacked out of the ballpark. And this woman is an attornery? This whole mess just gets stranger by the minute. What really cracked me up after laughing at her was the next reply:
"And some people wonder why average whites are not joining this message board or the cause by the droves."
Looks like someone over there is finally getting a clue.
Who was it that said the attacker was three hundred pounds? I never remember seeing that mentioned anywhere. The fact that the white boy weighs less means he should have ducked faster?
ReplyDeleteI am not sure who began the fight matters a lot. As much as the fact that children, fight. The two could have been chinese and hispanic and the results would be the same.
I understand the fear involved in having your child seriously injured. And the anger that comes from such.
But anger should never be turned into bitter racial resentment. It just seems like another excuse to fan the fire of a racial war that is trying to burn itself out.
I say burn itself out because. There were like 25 - 30 kkk folks. And over two hundred multi-racial Kingston citizens telling them to go back where they came from.
It is obvious if a hate war broke out. American people would certainly eliminate the KKK and Hal Turner easily enough. With Police. Pride. And in comming together as a whole.
ReplyDeleteThat link you so nicely posted is just another racial site. Badly made again. Complainning about the freedom America gives immigrants and other colored races. And yes whites too. It seems this young man who made this site just is pointing out everyone sucks. Not just white folks. But everyone in general.
He is not to far from wrong in some points. And he is very far from right in others.
Ajax, I have read those comments and more. The fact still remains that for every one of those quotes and any others that are made, I could cite you 20 made by whites against minorities. But, you know what - playing tit-for-tat whether it be with statements, crimes, etc. is childish and non-productive.
ReplyDeleteThe reasons behind my involvement with these groups and indivuals, have been well documented and I really don't need to write it all again. Suffice it to say that it has nothing to do with my libido.
Certainly, there may be some merit in your postulation that all of the "attention" that I, and others, give these groups might have a different than hoped for affect on a few individuals. By, and large, however, we have seen the converse to be true.
Generally speaking, leaving these groups alone and ignoring them gives them just what they have had for years - an opportunity to organize and grow undetected. Burying our heads in the sand and pretending that this is just a fringe element and non-threatening is precisely what they have banked on for decades.
In today's world, many of these groups are now considered domestic terrorists - and I just can't ignore the fact that they are a threat to the very fabric of our society.
Personally, I don't care if an individual is racist. I won't agree with that person, and I probably won't associate with that person - but what they believe or feel in their own hearts and minds is their own business. I would hope that at some point they see the error of their thought processes.
Organized hate groups are an entirely different thing altogether. The idea of a racial holy war or the day of the rope is unacceptable in my opinion. Often the leaders and participants in these groups are the promoters or perpetrators of violence against others. They frequently prey on our children in a bid to destroy the values instilled in them by their parents.
Matt Hale once told me that he had a "duty" to go after the minds of our children - and that it was his "right" to teach them the "truth." Funny, but I always thought that parents had a few rights of their own.
You know, your hypothetical about a well-educated, well disciplined, articulate hate group also has some merit. There would be much more reason to fear something like that. And for quite sometime now the racist right has been attempting to attract that kind of individual and become more mainstream in appearence and presentation.
Fortunately, for us, they still attract the misfits and the outcasts of society. The ideology that is profered by such groups, whether it be that of Christian Identity or that of the National Socialst - even the White Nationalist - simply does not play well with the majority of intelligent, well-educated, thoughtful Americans. Hate is just not sellable. And no matter how it is packaged, the truth still surfaces and drives people away.
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