Sunday, July 09, 2006

SATAN-GATE - PART 2

CHECK BELOW FOR HAL TURNER'S RESPONSE AND EXPLANATION!



"THEIR GOD IS NOT OUR GGGGGAAAAAAWWWWWWDD! PERIOD! The jews relish in the festering pool of such internecine "theologies" which can be neither proved nor disproved. We are ARYANS! BE AS NOBLE AS YOUR ANCIENT ANCESTORS! Our god is their devil and their god is a blasphemy on all of Gods creation." (Clifford Herrington, NSM Chairman, December, 2004)



Throughout the chaos that has been a direct result of the research and reportings of Citizens Against Hate and One Peoples Radio, the NSM has attempted to paint Andrea Herrington's husband, Clifford, as one whose only connection to Satanism is that he happens to married to the High Priestess of the Joy of Satan's Ministries. Well, as my grandmother used to say, "The proof is in the pudding."

Former High Priest of the Joy of Satan group has already declared that he was present when Clifford Herrington was appointed President of the Ministry. He further characterized Herrington to a tee when he spoke about the rages that he is prone to engage in. This has been a topic of discussion for years as Herrington seems to be close to exploding and many fear that he might be on the brink of a stroke when he delivers his impassioned speeches.

Within the confines of the Priestess' websites there are links which are strategically placed to emphasize her teachings. One of those links, in particular - although the information is interspersed throughout her "teachings" - is a page of lings to articles which are National Socialist in nature and definitely anti-Semitic. Most of the articles contained there are those which are regularly read and offered as proof of Aryan supremacy and National Socialist ideology. In short, the entire page has the earmark of Clifford Herrington so I decided to ask Dann about the Chairman's involvement. Here is what he had to say:

"Oh Maxine is not ashamed to state she gets all her materials FROM Cliff!

"… I can't count the amount of times Maxine has stated "Cliff is a Satanist" or "He was a hardline Christian but I showed him the truth and now hes a Satanist". She brags about this constantly. Its one of her crowning achievements. She even tells us how Satan came to Cliff and all of this stuff but he didn't know it was Satan at the time and Satan saved his life."

Throughout the Joy of Satan website it is evident that "Meditation" is used to teach and to administer. Andrea calls many rituals and rites "Meditations." In a post to the NSM egroup, Clifford Herrington decided to announce an event as a "Winter Solstice Meditation." It is highly doubtful to this writer that the date of the event was "December 22, 2004 as December 22 is one of the most endeared holidays of Satan worshipers as attested to by Andrea, herself. Here is what Clifford had to say to his members:

From: clifford herrington
To: nsmworld@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:11 AM
Subject: Winter Solstice 22 Dez2004 MEDITATION

Racial Kultural Symbols Embody the Power of the Racial Soul
An invitation to all Racial Comrades!
To reawaken the Racial Spirit of Aryan Volkdom!
Since the beginning of time, symbols have been vital in the passing up of the history, spirit and values, and survival of all peoples!

The HakenKruez has since time immemorial been an ARYAN symbol, it has served as an Icon of good luck and POWER!

It has followed us on the great migrations since the last great cataclysm that our people and other races Faced, it has been with us throughout our wanderungen and visited every major civilization that we have Ordained and created, it is found throughout the world, BROUGHT BY ARYAN MAN and WOMAN! For all these aeons!

And now, for those who know, those who see and those who think, I ask You, to re-awaken the Spirit that is embodied in the Racial Memory, the Soul of ARYAN VOLKDOM!

And Our enemies know the power of our symbols, they have forbidden, trampled and jailed because of our Kultural symbols, and in so doing tried to eliminate the Racial memory of our Volk, for how can a people resist their destruction if their history and symbols no longer have power! If they are not practiced by their creators?

In the quest for the restoral of the balance of humanity and of nature, to restore our peoples to the Natural Order, and in syncrenicity with the Laws of Nature, AT MIDNIGHT OF THE WINTER SOLSTICE, I ASK ALL THOSE, Who know, who understand, WHO THINK! to re awaken our Ancient Spirits and Our Racial Memory, FOR IN WORDS AND SYMBOLS THERE IS POWER! AT MIDNIGHT, of the 22d Dezember Zweihunderten ud vier in symbological visualization, In quiet meditation, four candles, one black to the north, one black to the south one red to the east and one white to the west, the four cardinal points of the compass, lit and in quiet mind, in silent mediative visualization, UNTIL 12:20 AM of the morning of the 23rd Dezember zweihundertenudvier THE MOST POWERFUL SYMBOL OF OUR PEOPLES THAT OUR ENEMIES FEAR THE MOST! For those who know! Those who understand! and THOSE WHO THINK! QUIETLY, PURPOSEFULLY MEDITATIVELY VISUALIZE THIS GREAT and GLORIOUS SYMBOL OF REBIRTH and the eternal COSMOS!

(POSTSCRIPT: for those who may think I am off my rocker, don't worry, we are not going into off the wall "sectism" and for those who have questions, this is an ancient "spiritual" volkisch celebratory period long held by our people, it will not compromise your "religious" preinclinations)

They have no respect for their ancestors, no respect for their own white children (Let alone you!) and no respect for the rest of humanity, let alone the rest of the world, and why? Because in sum they are servants of the Jews, they don't worship the "son of god", anymore, than they worship the Creator of the various races, THEY ONLY WORSHIP GOLD AND THEIR OWN INSANE jewish "chosenk of Gaaaaawwwddddd!"

clifford herrington

Clifford Herrington is, at the very least, as fruity as his spouse. However, the ritual described above is very closely attuned to the rituals used in a Satanic ceremony as delineated by Andrea on her website - right down to the black candles which she bemoans being so hard to find these days.

According to Andrea, the "Four Cardinal Points of the Compass," referrenced by Clifford, indicate the following:
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HAL TURNER RESPONDS

From: Hal Turner
To: Tony Willow
Subject: Re: story on Citizens Against Hate
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:50 AM
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [167.206.4.205]

Just to clear up your curiosity about why I pulled all the stories, and why I posted conciliatory messages on VNN etc. . . . .

Chairman Herrington wrote me to say he WOULD sever the satan group from the NSM Post Office Box. His e-mail to me indicated that he had intended to do that, but never got around to it. If the P.O. Box had been severed, that would have ended the "link" between NSM and the satan cult and I could have lived with that.

But one day later, Herrington did an about-face. Herrington ordered Bill White to publicly attack me. Bill - to his dislike - followed that order.

That attack backfired in a big way. We all tried to make peace. I thought the issue was finally over after both I and Bill White pulled the nasty stories. Then Herrington shit all over everything by coming out an publicly refusing to separate the NSM Tulsa P.O. Box from the satan group.

Bill white objected - and got suspended for objecting - so he quit NSM

I shit canned the NSM show a and gave the time slot to Bill White.

Herrington screwed up this entire situation: First by his bad judgment in sharing the NSM P.O. Box with the satan cult; then by ordering Bill White to attack me; then by agreeing to sever the P.O. Box from the satan cult but reneging on that.

Herrington clearly suffers fro terrible judgment and he has probably dealt a mortal blow to the NSM with his neophyte handling of this entire situation.

It is interesting to note that Erich Gliebe of the National Alliance married a High Priestess from the church of satan, and the National Alliance was destroyed. Cliff Herrington has now sided sided with satan by allowing a P.O. Box for his satan worshipping wife to remain connected to NSM -- and now the NSM is being destroyed.

Satan is clearly opposed to White Nationalism. This kind of makes me wonder if the others who are opposed to White Nationalism aren't themselves, doing satan's work?

Hal Turner

From: Hal Turner
To: Tony Willow
Subject: Re: story on Citizens Against Hate
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:15 AM
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [167.206.4.205]

Not bad. Including so much verbatim content from the satan site got boring, but I think it was probably necessary to drive home the point.

Including my e-mails in the story was rude but it worked to my advantage because it shows I'm a "stand-up guy."

Bill White will be on the air tonight. That ought to be really interesting. I'm sure you'll be tuning in!

Hal Turner

86 comments:

  1. Picture of Herrington on article for CAH website is not showing up.

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  2. I just checked and everything is showing up for me.

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  3. Good job Tony and Nicole.

    From: The other side of the fence.

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  4. hi nikki, you might want to check the link to that herrington picture on the page's html.

    it might be showing up for you because it is in your program files. in that case you might see it, but others might not.

    by right clicking the picture and viewing properties: the CAH website's picture source is located at

    file:///C:/Program%20Files/CoffeeCup%20Software/Working/Herrington2004.jpg

    not on a web server. thought you might want to know.

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  5. Most pagans, Wiccans and Magi observe something during the Winter Solstice, not just Satanists.

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  6. Just a Red X for me, too, Nikki. I also cleared my cache and reloaded, but still got a Red X.

    Otherwise, great article!

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  7. Why did Bill White freak out over all of this? It doesn't make any sense. So, CAH reveals that Herrington's wife is a Satanist. Ok. They share a PO Box, which is used as an official NSM address for donations. Problem, but can be fixed easily, just severe that connection.

    But then somehow Bill White exploded and started naming names and thowing muddied laundry around. Why?

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  8. Actually, what is happening here is quite fascinating from a historical-political point of view. In my opinion, this has very, very little to do with Satanism or with religion. I will remind you that in the 1930s Hitler was threatened my Rohm's control of the SA, and decided that in order to consolidate his position he had to get rid of Rohm. He suddenly "discovered" Rohm's homosexuality and used it to rally people against him.
    So too, Bill White. I guarantee you will see in the enxt month or so that he will form a new party

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  9. Yes, I see this an excuse to Draino out the dead weight and take the lead in the NSM.

    The Satanism stuff is really that bad, minus the educating masterbation to kids, and even that isn't all that evil, as we once had a SG who suggested the same thing to avoid teen pregnancy and STDs, but then she was forced to resign and now our insane policy with teens to to teach them never to think about sex and to sign worthless contracts claiming they won't.

    Harrington's wife having sex with the teen boys is the real crime, and that is illegal and very wrong, and have the Feds been alerted about it?

    The rest of the supertitious mumbo jumbo is silly and laughable.

    Anyone who worships or fears the devil has the mind of a child.

    There is no such thing as Satan, it is a myth.

    We are way due for an another age of reason to this overly religious country.

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  10. The Satan stuff is really _not_ that bad...

    what I meant to post

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  11. Cliff Herrington and his wife were indicted in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1993 for raping a 15 year old girl during a Satanic ritual.

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  12. Why wasn't any of that checked out before?

    I thought you guys all do backround checks?

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  13. Well, we do background checks on members.

    The Chairman, of course, being the founder of the group, is not a member.

    And the person in charge of the background checks is Brunson.

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  14. I'd like some of these nay-sayers to actually try to talk to members of the joy of satan. What you'll get back is a lot of delusional talk, trust me. These kids... they get in fights with their parents over their so-called beliefs, often getting thrown to the streets and homeless. I've seen monthly posts of members wanting to commit suicide (and do the "high priests" do anything about this?? NO).

    Cliff in up to his eyeballs in this Joy of Satan thing. He is just as responsible as his wife is for members who are now homeless, left mentally unstable, possibly dead, delusional, confused, etc. It IS a big deal.

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  15. Thanks for the heads-up on the picture. It was late when I got your message last night, and I wasn't thinking straight. It's fixed now.

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  16. anonymous said...
    "Most pagans, Wiccans and Magi observe something during the Winter Solstice, not just Satanists."

    That's true...but this was an NSM function - and it was being touted by Clifford Herrington who is married to a Satanic sult leader and who participates in the same.

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  17. anonymous said...
    "So, CAH reveals that Herrington's wife is a Satanist. Ok. They share a PO Box, which is used as an official NSM address for donations. Problem, but can be fixed easily, just severe that connection."

    Do you really believe that "severing the connection" by splitting the P.O. Boxes would solve the situation?

    Would that stop them from messing with our children? Would that make Clifford and Andrea any less satanistic - or culpable, for that matter? Would that make Herrington more credible and less insane?

    I'll let Bill White speak for himself.

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  18. Shamshi-Adad said...
    "Actually, what is happening here is quite fascinating from a historical-political point of view. In my opinion, this has very, very little to do with Satanism or with religion. I will remind you that in the 1930s Hitler was threatened my Rohm's control of the SA, and decided that in order to consolidate his position he had to get rid of Rohm. He suddenly "discovered" Rohm's homosexuality and used it to rally people against him.
    So too, Bill White. I guarantee you will see in the enxt month or so that he will form a new party."

    Probably - however, this is not the 1930's, and there is a lot more to this than someone being homosexual.

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  19. I read on Bill's page that the associated press is picking up the satan-gate story. I hope this is true... I think all of you did a fantastic job! It's not a stretch of the imagination to see bigger press pick up the ball and run with it at this point.

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  20. anonymous said...

    "The Satanism stuff is[n't] really that bad, minus the educating masterbation to kids, and even that isn't all that evil, as we once had a SG who suggested the same thing to avoid teen pregnancy and STDs, but then she was forced to resign and now our insane policy with teens to to teach them never to think about sex and to sign worthless contracts claiming they won't.

    "Harrington's wife having sex with the teen boys is the real crime, and that is illegal and very wrong, and have the Feds been alerted about it?"

    First, let me clarify something - Harrington's wife didn't have sex with them - she guided them through the evoking of demons through masturbation.

    Second - to say that the Satanism stuff isn't all that bad and that educating the kids about masturbation isn't all that evil, leads me to ask you if you even read any of this other than just scanning for buzz words.

    Masturbation certainly isn't
    "evil." Teaching kids that you can evoke demons and use sexual energy to get anything that you want in life is - also, encouraging group sex, while it might appeal to the baser instincts of a teen, is certainly not something I would want my child involved in.

    Additionally, this is a form of brainwashing and a method through which kids (and adults) can be seduced into, not only the realm of Satanim, but National Socialism.

    Perhaps you wouldn't have a problem with another adult teaching your child how to be devious and defy you as a parent. Perhaps you wouldn't have a problem with an adult luring your kid in and teaching them that hedonism is ok - and that you can frolic through hell with demons - but I damn sure do.

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  21. bill white said...
    "Cliff Herrington and his wife were indicted in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1993 for raping a 15 year old girl during a Satanic ritual."

    Confirmation of this is needed.

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  22. "Thanks for the heads-up on the picture. It was late when I got your message last night, and I wasn't thinking straight. It's fixed now."

    No problem. Great coverage by the way. You guys have put a lot of hard work and investigation into this whole thing. Hats off to the CAH. And hats off to Bill White for all of the humor and entertainment surrounding the recent dicoveries.

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  23. Anonymous said...
    "I'd like some of these nay-sayers to actually try to talk to members of the joy of satan. What you'll get back is a lot of delusional talk, trust me. These kids... they get in fights with their parents over their so-called beliefs, often getting thrown to the streets and homeless. I've seen monthly posts of members wanting to commit suicide (and do the "high priests" do anything about this?? NO).

    "Cliff in up to his eyeballs in this Joy of Satan thing. He is just as responsible as his wife is for members who are now homeless, left mentally unstable, possibly dead, delusional, confused, etc. It IS a big deal."

    Reading some of the entries in that teen group, I was in tears. These kids are frightened, confused, searching for answers, and on the brink of doing something awful to themselves. Those that appear to have it all together on the surface, demonstrate that this is just false bravado on their part. If you follow a teen's posting all the way through - most are just pitiful little souls who have no clue what they are involved in.

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  24. "Cliff Herrington and his wife were indicted in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1993 for raping a 15 year old girl during a Satanic ritual."


    I'm waiting on a physical records search but Tom Metzger's word is good as gold.

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  25. There is an update on the front page. Tony sent the story to Hal Turner - you can read his clarification of his actions and some thoughts.

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  26. Ok - on Stormfront, Jeff Schoep says the following on a thread entitled "NSM Breaking Into Pieces."

    NSM breaking into pieces? That statement in itself is retarded.

    First of all the NSM does not promote Satanism, or any religion for that matter. On the other hand, if someone wants to worship Zeus, Jesus, Odin, Allah, or some other diety, we could really care less.

    Anyone, and I do mean anyone engaged in child molesting or past convictions of it will be immediatley purged from the ranks. Present the facts, or shut your rabid fly traps.

    For the record, I was warned by many people to not allow Bill White into the NSM. I stand corrected, and I was wrong. I admit to a bad judgement call. Bill White has engaged in ongoing attacks against the NSM since we removed him. We removed him due to attacks on other White Nationalists, including SF, NA, NV, Skinheads, AN, and other white groups. His (Bills) focus for the time being is on the NSM, which is fine, we are happy to weed out the weak links and disloyal. Even if he feels he is causing us damage, he is actually doing us a favor indirectly.

    We have actually experienced an uptick in membership, those who hated B/White have joined us enmasse. I salute all the new Comrades.

    The handfull of people who actually believe B/W should start digging now, I encourage you to do so."

    Yesterday, Wild Bill Hoff issued the following statement:

    "To ALL National Socialists, 88!

    I have been informed that several members have resigned because they could either not abide by our organizational rules or that one of our most responible Officers has a wife who believes in a religion that most of us disagree with.Yet, inasmuch as we are a political movement, there is no room in our ranks for squabbling over religious matters. If we were to permit criticism of Christian Identity by Baptist or Roman Catholics, there would be constant fighting going on within our ranks. As far as I am concerned, her preference of religion is strictly her business and no one should become concerned with this matter.

    "This is simply something that we will have to tolerate in order to maintain strength. If we were to resign over every little thing that may disturb us, the Jews would be extremely pleased that once again a powerful organization has been destroyed from within and once again they are safe to conduct their evil ways. In every growing organization or business, there will be times when steps have to be taken that may not please everyone. Yet, rationality demands that we put aside our individual wishes for the good of all and continue to forge ahead. Only by keeping our eyes on the goal that lies ahead of us will we succeed in winning ultimate political power.

    By doing otherwise, we shall be committing political suicide.

    What sayeth ye, Storm Troopers? Continue to march ahead? Yes, indeed!

    HEIL HITLER!

    Colonel Wild Bill Hoff
    Eastern Director, NSM

    Which is true - membership increasing - or members resigning?

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  27. Look, Jeff and Cliff both respond to things like this the only way they know how -- defensive lying.

    In fact, it was recommended to me on several occassions that the best way to respond to attacks was to ignore them or lie about them, and we have had a number of small splits and units walk out over the past year that have never been mentioned to the members.

    For instance, take a list of the units that are on the nsm88 site and look at all the units that have been announced since Toledo I. There are between 6 and 8 (I forget exactly) missing. Where did they go?

    I noticed this and asked Jeff. He said that they had either resigned or been expelled, but he didn't want to make it public, because it would make the organization look like it was hurting.

    This is just how those guys do business. Note how many times I published regulations encouraging people not to lie to the press. I was targeting more than a few NSM leaders with that.

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  28. Colonel Hoff, in contrast, BTW, is an upstanding and straight forward guy. I trust him 100%

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  29. Well Bill...interesting you should say that since Hoff just issued this statement about you:

    Dear Comrade Melissa, 88!

    This inter-Movement Squabbling was created by just one person, who had been suspended from our ranks. He has now embarked on spreading other rumors that a enormous number of our members have resigned from our ranks and in some cases entire States have done this.

    This is a man who once was very active with the Communist Party and most likely never left its ranks, but began to being an infiltrator for it. In every racial organization to which he joined, after purportedly leaving the Communist Party, this evil creature did extensive damage to each and every one of them.

    He has now embarked on boasting that he completely destroyed our National Socialist Movement by the spreading of only one rumor which hit at the core of our Christian membership. How is that for gall? I shall not mention his name, inasmuch as you can mostly likely guess of whom I am speaking, for it angers me intensely to hear his name even mentioned.

    HEIL HITLER!

    Colonel Wild Bill Hoff
    Eastern Director, NSM

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  30. Comments:

    Considering Huff has known Herrington before Bill White was even born, this is no surprise that Huff would back Herrington.

    The old guard of the NSM isn't going to back away from Herrington.

    The Washington NSM unit has confirmed they have left the national NSM organization according to their website.

    Vonbluvens continues to do whenever he gets confronted on something, go on vacation. Vonbluvens is such a coward when he's faced with hard decisions. No matter, he's a 98 pound weakling.

    Hal Turner won & lost in court today. He was found not guilty. Vazquez was found not guilty. But Vazquez is going to sue Phyllis Turner and Hal Turner in civil court where the burden of proof is much less. We'll see where this takes us.

    Life is good.... carry on.

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  31. zabasearch reveals Cliff Herrington's physical address in Tulsa.

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  32. As you can tell from the statement, Hoff is 100% in denial. He accuses me of being a Communist Party infiltrator and boasting I've destroyed the NSM -- I've done neither, and destroying the NSM is nothing to boast about.

    However, maybe you guys could take him on as a writer with that kind of material ...

    There are still a lot of people right now in denial who are friends of mine. I don't begrudge it of any of them. Most, though, who are looking objectively at the facts, are coming to the same conclusions I have, and those who haven't, will.

    I've always had the curse of seeing things coming before they've arrived, or been obvious to the majority of people. The NA breakup is a good example of that.

    What I've observed you can only deny reality so long. Eventually, these people will fall off.

    If someone in the NSM issues a rational statement attacking me, or addresses a point I've made, or makes a factual attack on my character, I'll be much more concerned.

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  33. About those teens.

    First of all those teens are the responsibilty of their parents.

    When finding out that their teen is involved with Satan worship and then would throw them out of the house for that, those parents should be in jail for child endangerment.

    Yes, it looks like Herrington and his wife are criminal sexual predators and need to pay the price for it.

    But, when a teen is lost and looking for answers and is getting so desperate they have fallen into the hands of people like this, I blame the parents.

    Also, there are thousands of teens who face the same issues with their parents who are involved with much heathier forms of alternative spiritualities, like neo-paganism and wicca.

    Parents are so hung up on either their child believes the organized religion of the household or they force them out.

    So, let me ask any of you parents out there?

    Is there anything you find more valuable in some made up bible and religion that is worth throwing your own child out the door?

    If so, you are not a religious or holy person, you are a cult follower and don't deserve your beautiful children.

    I would rather bonfire a stack of bibles then harm kids.

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  34. Dumbass, sometimes parents have no alternative but to kick the teen kids out of the home. They get uncontrollable, start threatening the parents and stealing from them. Sometimes you do what you got to do.

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  35. First of all when you start of a post with an insult like "dumbass", you have already proven that you are an idiot and most likely not fit to raise kids.

    And with an abusive and foul mouth like that, no wonder you can't raise your kids properly.

    People should have to get a license before they are allowed to breed.

    I pity your family.

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  36. True enough - I blame the parents too. But, that is why these kids make easy prey for people like this.

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  37. One of the things that's sickest and saddest about the WN and many of these movements is the catastrophic waste of life and talent it results in.

    I admit, I have a new respect for Bill White, Chris Drake, and some of the others when I hear them talk about something besides how much they hate Jews, immigrants, our society, etc. These are really intelligent, well-spoken men, in some cases. Why is it they sabotage all their own efforts in life by following these miserable hate groups and ideologies?

    I don't understand. They seem so intelligent, sometimes; so level-headed.

    Maybe I never will understand.

    Just a thought.

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  38. VonBluvens tendered his resignation.

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  39. I agree - there is a lot of talent there that is being wasted in a very negative way. Bill White is articulate and would be able to command a lot of positive attention if it were geared in the right direction.

    Hal Turner is very talented in his radio presence - and he throws it all away.

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  40. Flyweight Vonbluvens resinging?

    Good news although everyone knew he had no choice. The decision was made for him by someone else.

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  41. Monday, July 10, 2006

    I VONBLUVENS RESIGN FROM THE NSM

    July 10, 2006

    FOR RELEASE:

    Comrades,

    Working diligently and putting my life and family on the line for perceived evil and corruption is not what I joined the NSM back in 1998 for.

    Masked evil has a horrible way of coming out, and as the past week has shown, it comes out at the worst possible time. It is a shame this destruction comes on the heels of our many successes. Comrades, it pains me very much to have to say these things.

    The principle question is does “Satanism” have anything to do with the struggle for our race or the 14 Words? Common sense tells me it does not. My loyalty to the NSM blinded me and I fooled myself with many absurd and specious arguments.

    The notion that “The Joy of Satan” group is some kind of totally private affair is nonsense. In the first place, a white leader has NO PRIVATE LIFE. In the second place, “Satanism,” as in this case, effects the whole prime directive guiding the National Socialist Movement and the movement as a whole- SURVIVAL OF THE WHITE RACE.

    It is crucial, no, essential that our party personify in our leadership and general membership the ideals for which we fight for.

    I am resigning for one reason only:

    Because it is the right thing to do. I do it because the survival of my race commands my thoughts, my soul, and my genetic instinct and yes my God! Being a Christian demands I do His will. I and many of my comrades fight against the forces of darkness, because that is what our Creator made the White race to do. Battling evil (not covering for it) is what I and most of my comrades are about. Hopefully, the NSM can be a force for good again. And I would gladly work for those goals again if the NSM can reform itself.

    With that said, effective immediately, I officially resign as a member of the NSM and as Minister of Radio and Office of Information

    Heil Hitler,

    VONBLUVENS

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  42. Vonbluvens joined the NSM in 1998?

    He can't even quit without lying!!!

    He joined in 2004 and only because the NSM offered him free webspace after Hal Turner booted him off his network for non-payment.

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  43. And a radio show...don't forget that.

    Someone else said he had been a member for a long time - just not active. I can't remember who said that.

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  44. Bill White gets written up in the Roanoke Times

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-73256

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  45. bill white said...
    "Cliff Herrington and his wife were indicted in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1993 for raping a 15 year old girl during a Satanic ritual."

    Nikki said...
    "Confirmation of this is needed."

    Good to see you being responsible about this particular allegation and asking for proof.

    In the 1980's and early 1990's there was quite a panic over probably-false allegations of this kind. For details, see the links on the following page:

    The "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scare (and the larger child sex abuse panic) of the 1980's and early 1990's

    on my Against Satanic Panics website.

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  46. Hi! I just now posted some replies to this and a few earlier blog entries on this topic. Perhaps I should introduce myself.

    I'm a theistic Satanist. You might say I'm one of Maxine's/Andrea's rivals. Like her, I have a high-profile theistic Satanist website, and I run a bunch of Yahoo groups. However, my approach is very different from hers.

    For one thing, I definitely do not support racism or neo-Nazism, and I feel that it is ridiculous for Satanists to support such things. After all, if a neo-Nazi movement were to attain power, Satanists would be among the first to get sent to the camps, just as - if I'm not mistaken - Hitler turned around and outlawed at least some of the occult groups that had supported him. Groups like the NSM may preach religious tolerance now, but, if neo-Nazis were ever to attain power, why should their Procrustean desire for sameness stop at things like race and sexual orientation?

    Second, if you were to visit my Theistic Satanism website and forums, hopefully you would notice that we aim for a much higher intellectual level than Joy of Satan does, and that our approach is all-around much saner.

    Anyhow, my main point in being here is to ask that you not imply that all Satanists are neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers, or that there is any natural connection between the Satanism and neo-Nazism other than the fact that Satanists are more likely than most people to hold unpopular political views (of whatever stripe) in general.

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  47. Von Bluvens was in the paper as an NSM activist in 1999 and 2000.

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  48. Anonymous said...
    "I'd like some of these nay-sayers to actually try to talk to members of the joy of satan. What you'll get back is a lot of delusional talk, trust me."

    Yep, alas....

    Anonymous said...
    "These kids... they get in fights with their parents over their so-called beliefs, often getting thrown to the streets and homeless. I've seen monthly posts of members wanting to commit suicide (and do the "high priests" do anything about this?? NO)."

    In all fairness, JoS should not be blamed for this aspect of the situation. As another poster pointed out, a decent parent doesn't throw one's kid out over a religious difference. Second, JoS is not responsible for the mere existence of the religious difference in the first place. As far as I can tell, JoS folks don't run around trying to convert people to Satanism. Rather, what they do is convince a lot of young people who are already Satanists (or who at least are already feeling strongly drawn to Satan) to follow their particular brand of Satanism. A young person is not likely to bump into the JoS site unless he or she is already looking for Satanist sites. And, if a parent is going to throw one's kid out for being a Satanist, it's not likely to matter too much whether it's JoS Satanism or some other form of Satanism.

    But I do find plenty of fault with the JoS's way of recruiting kids. JoS uses mind-numbing rhetoric all too similar to that of some Christian evangelists. And their system inherently pressures people into making a premature commitment. The first step they recommend is a dedication ritual, whereas I would not recommend doing a dedication ritual until one has been a theistic Satanist for at least several years. To me, doing a dedication ritual as one's first step is like getting married to someone you just met yesterday.

    To summarize, while I do find the JoS to be distastefully cultlike in some ways, they should not be blamed for all their adherents' problems.

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  49. nikki said....
    "Perhaps you wouldn't have a problem with another adult teaching your child how to be devious and defy you as a parent."

    What would you say to a kid who confided to you that he was gay and afraid his parents would throw him out if they found out? Would you advise the kid to come out of the closet to his parents ASAP? Or would you advise the kid to wait with coming out to them until he was self-supporting? If the latter, is that "devious" behavior? Is it "defiant" behavior? Why or why not?

    Of course, sexual orientation isn't quite the same thing as spiritual orientation, but there are more parallels than you might think - especially since, as I pointed out in my previous reply above, it is likely that the vast majority of JoS kids were already Satanists (or at least had a strong interest in Satanism) before discovering JoS.

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  50. Bill White is going psycho again. He's holding corporate meetings in yahoo discussion rooms now.

    :quote:
    Greetings Comrades:

    I am Bill White, of Roanoke, Virginia, Spokesman for the National Socialist Movement, and I am calling this meeting to order.
    ....
    :end quote:

    it's a fucking yahoo room Bill. Try holding a meeting with real live people!!

    And yea, he's still referring to himself as Spokesman for the NSM.

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  51. Anonymous said...
    "Dumbass, sometimes parents have no alternative but to kick the teen kids out of the home. They get uncontrollable, start threatening the parents and stealing from them. Sometimes you do what you got to do."

    You wrote the above in reply to someone who objected to parents throwing kids out over religious differences. Do you believe that all kids who differ religiously from their parents also "get uncontrollable, start threatening the parents and stealing from them"? Do you believe this about all Satanist kids in particular, or at least all JoS kids in particular? Do you believe JoS specifically encourages kids to be generallly obnoxious around the house? If so, where's your evidence for this?

    Although I do have many objections to JoS, it is not my impression that they encourage kids to be general all-around obnoxious troublemakers.

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  52. "I admit, I have a new respect for Bill White, Chris Drake, and some of the others when I hear them talk about something besides how much they hate Jews, immigrants, our society, etc. These are really intelligent, well-spoken men, in some cases. Why is it they sabotage all their own efforts in life by following these miserable hate groups and ideologies?

    "I don't understand. They seem so intelligent, sometimes; so level-headed."


    Normally, I would strongly disagree with the suggestion that the issues or topics that are of concern to any one individual is a reflection of his or her intelligence.

    However, having come across people who seriously believe that "The Arabs Are Trying To Take Over The World!", it's painfully obvious that many of these people are indeed delusional dumbasses.

    :)

    Toodles

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  53. To Nikki:

    Last night I listened to your radio program. I think your proposed outreach program for families is a great idea.

    Also you might want to consider devoting part of your website to refuting the racist/neo-Nazi worldview. One year back in the late 1990's I spent quite a bit of time researching the online neo-Nazi scene, and I also looked at quite a few anti-racist websites as well. One thing I noticed (perhaps this has changed since them?) was that none of the anti-racist sites actually bothered to refute the beliefs of the racists. They just started with premise that racism is wrong and then tried to psychoanalyze racists at a distance, without ever actually bothering to try to understand the racists' worldviews. A few websites, such as the Anti-Defamation League, refuted some specific racist and anti-semitic claims but never really grappled with the underlying worldviews.

    As I said, perhaps things have changed since then, but, if not, the above is another void you might want to consider filling, if/when you have sufficient time and resources.

    Anyhow, I've had a little bit of experience leading people away from neo-Nazism - in particular, two kids in one of my Satanist Yahoo groups. I can't claim full credit; what finally did it for both of them was becoming friends with some Jewish kids and thereby realizing that Jews are just people too. But I think I helped both of them reach the point where they would even consider making friends with Jews. Alas, one of these kids (who lives in Serbia) had neo-Nazi parents and was afraid his parents would disown him for having a Jewish friend.

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  54. Anonymous said...

    Bill White is going psycho again. He's holding corporate meetings in yahoo discussion rooms now.

    [...]

    it's a fucking yahoo room Bill. Try holding a meeting with real live people!!


    There's nothing "psycho" about holding a virtual meeting, which may in some cases be more convenient than an in-person meeting.

    Surely there are more than enough real things wrong with neo-Nazism - why grasp at straws?

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  55. "Also you might want to consider devoting part of your website to refuting the racist/neo-Nazi worldview."

    I agree. If you really want to cure hate, you need to address the reasons why people are hating to begin with.

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  56. Well, Darius, my boy, it looks as if you managed to pick your face out of your boyfriend's lap long enough to drop down and say "howdy"!

    We surely do appreciate your daily visits, but I feel I must strongly suggest that you shitcan your incessant lying, dissembling, equivocating, and propagandizing on behalf of the anti-American factions that seem hellbent on destroying our uniquely decadent, freewheeling, and "Hi-Infidelity" way of life.

    However, perhaps you're right. Perhaps just because a violent, terrorist, murderous group of masked banditos have 1.) killed more Americans in two hours (9-11) than in the entire 26-year conflict in Northern, Ireland, 2.) killed more Americans in two hours (9-11) than the criminal justice system has put to death in the last sixty-five years, 3.) kill more people, every year, than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last fifty years, and 4.) kill more people in one year than the entire 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined, doesn’t necessarily make them BAD people.

    So, when you’re tromping around the dance floor, high as a kite on Ecstasy, tickling the posteriors of a hunky paramour, just remember how many pounds of brain, bone, and blood the “Children of the Prophet “ have spilled in their all-consuming quest to cleanse the world of those that refuse to bow five times a day to a meteor in Mecca.

    Take a moment, in between slurps, to shed a quiet tear for the Magic Mountain of Corpses left in the wake of the present Intifadah, or stop to snuffle a moonbat moan for those Islamically-challenged folks who were incinerated in the smoking remnants of the World Trade Center when the 19 Heroes of Martyrdom decided to hijack our planes.

    Stop and consider, for a trifling nanosecond, just how grievously a maniacal Mullah might react to the lascivious nature of your relationship with one of several large, well-built, statuesque Puerto Rican males, and then , if you can, in good conscience, tell me that the Religion of Peace © is not out to nail the wooden mask of Islamobondage on our humble planet, well, then, I will concede defeat, shave off my body hair, oil myself with the cloying aroma of paradisiacal perfume, and go to meet my 72 tawny , Middle Eastern virgin hotties with a smile and a piercing, maniacal, hundred-mile-an-hour stare in my eyes.

    BTW, you CAN do better than “delusional dumbass”, you insolent jackanapes. Didn’t we already talk about this “Bell Curve” stuff ?

    Peace Be Upon You,

    Borg Mephistopheles,
    Neocon

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  57. White you are at it, don't forget to douche your nostrils and make out with a black stone before you start running around in circles yelling Allah is Great.

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  58. BTW, Darius:

    Quit while you can. Once, when I was a poor, oppressed orderly on a dust ward in Ohio, we had a guy come in that could, literally, insert a handkerchief in one nostril, and pull it out the other.

    That shit eats out the cartilage in your nose.

    Just a word of advice.

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  59. Hoowhee, yessireebob!

    Just when you thought it was safe to doodle pictures of The Prophet, here a whole heapin' mess o'quotes from Mad Man Mahmoud, demonstrating for us all, once again, the peaceful intentions of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Mullahs,Islamic Jihad, Osama and Co.


    June 16, 2006

    "I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties."

    "An event that has influenced so many diplomatic and political equations of the world needs to investigated and researched by impartial and independent groups."

    "If it is true, then the response to this question should not be solved in Palestine. The Palestinian question should be settled as soon as possible. If it is false, why should such measures be taken against the people of Palestine?"

    (a news conference following a meeting with China's president)

    May 28, 2006

    "I believe the German people are prisoners of the Holocaust. More than 60 million were killed in World War II . . . The question is: Why is it that only the Jews are at the center of attention?"

    "We say that if the Holocaust happened, then the Europeans must accept the consequences and the price should not be paid by Palestine. If it did not happen, then the Jews must return to where they came from."

    (in an interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine)

    May 11, 2006

    Israel is "a regime based on evil that cannot continue and one day will vanish."

    (to a student rally in Jakarta, Indonesia)



    April 24, 2006

    ''We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries."

    (In a news conference held on April 24, 2006)



    April 14, 2006

    "The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

    "If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and holocaust being faced by the Palestinians. Holocaust has been continuing in Palestine over the past 60 years."

    (In a speech at the opening of the "Support for the Palestinian Intifada" conference on April 14-16 hosted in Tehran)

    February 23, 2006

    "These heinous acts are committed by a group of Zionists and occupiers that have failed. They have failed in the face of Islam's logic and justice . . . They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice . . . But be sure, you will not be saved from the wrath and power of the justice-seeking nations by resorting to such acts."

    (In a speech broadcast on state television, where Ahmadinejad suggested that the bombing of a major Shiite shrine in Iraq by Sunni insurgents was plotted by Israel and the U.S. to divide Muslims.)


    January 5, 2006



    "Hopefully, the news that the criminal of Sabra and Chatilla has joined his ancestors is final."

    (To a group of Muslim clerics in the Iranian city of Qom, as quoted in the semi-official student news agency ISNA)



    "[N]o Muslim nation would put up with this entity [i.e. Israel] in Islamic lands, not for one moment … If it's true that the [Europeans] committed a big crime in World War II, then they must take responsibility for it themselves, and not ask the Palestinian people to pay the price … Those countries that support this regime [Israel] were terrified at the suggestion that [Israel] should be relocated to their neighborhood. So why should the Palestinians and the countries in our region accept this entity?"
    (In a speech before an audience in the Iranian city of Qom, aired on television)



    January 2, 2006



    "[The creation of Israel after World War II] killed two birds with one stone [for Europe] … [The objectives achieved by Europe were] [s]weeping the Jews out of Europe and at the same time creating a European appendix with a Zionist and anti-Islamic nature in the heart of the Islamic world …Zionism is a Western ideology and a colonialist idea ... and right now it massacres Muslims with direct guidance and help from the United States and a part of Europe ... Zionism is basically a new [form of] fascism."
    (In written answers to questions from the public reproduced in several Iranian newspapers)


    December 14, 2005



    "Today, they [Europeans] have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets … This is our proposal: give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them [Jews] so that the Jews can establish their country."
    (Speaking to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan)



    December 13, 2005



    "If the killing of Jews in Europe is true and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"

    (Comments published on Iranian state television's Web site)



    December 8, 2005



    "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe."

    (While speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca)



    November 27, 2005



    "You [the United States], who have used nuclear weapons against innocent people, who have used uranium ordnance in Iraq, should be tried as war criminals in courts."

    (During a nationally televised ceremony of the establishment of Iran's volunteer Basij paramilitary)



    October 29, 2005



    "They [the United States] think they are the absolute rulers of the world."

    (Marching in a demonstration alongside a crowd of students in Tehran)



    October 28, 2005



    "They [International Zionist and Expansionist Policies of the World Arrogance, i.e. United States and Israel] are cheeky humans, and they think that the entire world should obey them. They destroy Palestinian families and expect nobody to object to them."

    (Defending his earlier comments)



    October 26, 2005



    "Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

    (In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')



    June 19, 2005



    "It is not just for a few states to sit and veto global approvals. Should such a privilege continue to exist, the Muslim world with a population of nearly 1.5 billion should be extended the same privilege."

    (In an interview with state television shortly before his election)



    June 8 2005



    The UN structure is one-sided, stacked against the world of Islam.

    (In an interview on state television)

    from Adl Website

    Course, it don't really suprise me t'all. Seems I read somewhere that The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was required reading in all Iranian schools

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  60. EB: "We surely do appreciate your daily visits..."

    Again with the royal "we"? Why is it so hard for folks like yourself to just have a one-on-one argument without referring to some never-defined "we"?

    "Stop and consider, for a trifling nanosecond, just how grievously a maniacal Mullah might react to the lascivious nature of your relationship with one of several large, well-built, statuesque Puerto Rican males"

    You certainly do have a vivid fantasy life, Ebes. Just try to keep those fantasies to yourself, mkay? I've already admitted to not being anywhere near the Don Juan-esque chick magnet that you are. What more could you possibly want? Other than one of them there large, well-built, statuesque Puerto Rican males, that is.

    I do think that you're right however. Bill would sound much more intelligent if he targeted Muslims, "traitors", liberals and "phony balony polls" on his website and in his broadcasts.

    Yup, much much more intelligent. :)


    "Today, in June of 2006, we are fighting a war in Iraq against the evil Muslims. They have proven time and time again that they will sacrifice themselves along with their children, by strapping bombs on and blowing up everyone who they consider the enemy, especially American soldiers.

    "The godless liberals are screaming about about the shooting of civilians in Iraq, calling it a murderous massacre, comparing it to Mai Lai, where liberals have falsely accused War Hero Lt. William Calley of ordering a massacre on hundreds of "innocent" civilians during the Vietnam war..."


    [snip]

    "It is strange how all these godless liberals seem to know everything there is to know about wars and what should or should not be done when fighting them, but yet they are too cowardly to fight. They burn the American flag, disrespect President Bush, and would kneel down and lick the boots of the Muslim terrorists should they take over America."

    [snip]

    "As far as I am concerned, anyone who criticizes a U.S. soldier that is fighting for freedom and protecting us from terrorists, are lower than the manure that comes out of the terrorists' behinds. Take a walk in a soldier's shoes before you criticize how he chooses to fight a war, you cowards!

    "You pointy headed godless liberal media idiots that are already pronouncing the U.S. Marines guilty, need to wait until all the facts are in and the investigation is completed before passing judgment in your news columns, but then again, we all know your true agenda don't we? You live for the day you can bow down to your Muslim heroes and lick their Allah-worshipping dirty feet, and declare this a Muslim world where Christianity is destroyed! Sorry to disappoint you, but that dog ain't gonna hunt! America, love it, Love Jesus, or Get Your Sorry Terrorists-Loving Butts Out Of It!"



    "If you don't pray for, honor, and respect the military, then you don’t honor and respect America or Australia because without our Armed Forces there would be no America or Australia. Both of our Nations would be under the rule of Islamic Governments and Bin Laden and Saddam would be ruling over us. Saddam’s sons would still be alive and probably shooting down your loved ones and laughing while they fed your babies to lions, like they did to Iraqis. Christianity would be outlawed and you would be forced to follow the satanic religion of Islam. Iraq, Iran, North Korea, the Taliban, the PLO, and all other members of the Axis of Evil nations would be in charge."


    ROFLMAO!

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  61. Diane Vera,

    I do agree with some of what you are saying. Satanism itself is not the real issue either since the JOS are not real Satanists by any stretch of the term.

    However, running groups for teenagers requires a level of reponsibility and good judgement on the part of the adult. I'm sure that you would agree. The group owner is reponsible for allowing messages of certain content to remain on the boards.

    Above all, as an adult there are many topics that should never be discussed with minors. If a group leader engages in these kinds of discussions or allows such content to be posted, that group moderator has to take responsibility.

    If a group leader suggests that children should find a way to hide their interaction with that group from their parents, that should be a giant flashing sign that something weird is going on.

    She might not be DIRECTLY responsible for what children themselves are posting, or how they act at home. But she is often indirectly responsible for their extremist views, on and off the internet. Many of these kids repeat everything that she says, and often become a carbon copy of Andrea herself.

    "If you go against me, you go against Satan" is no different than David Koresh and other past cults who use the name of their God to suit their own personal agendas. Nobody is blaming all Christians for past Christian cults who exploited people the same way as the JOS are exploiting the term Satanism.

    Maxine is responsible for manipulating children by telling them that Satan expects this or that from them. She does engage in various methods of brainwashing and manipulating young minds.

    Maxine is also responsible for starting and engaging in sexual discussions with minors herself. She has been reponsible for coercing teenage boys into cyber-sex rituals. A genuine Satanic leader would never dream of doing those things.

    I will say this. You can look at a lot of past Christian cult movements like the Waco incident, Jonestown and many others. You can look at their fanatic cult leaders and compare them to Andrea Herrington. You will discover a lot of similarities in the ways they act and speak. Many of their dealings with minors included.

    Responsibility to the responsible is a quote that Maxine uses on a regular basis. That said, she alone (with her husband) should be held reponsible for their corruption.

    And before anybody wants to put the blame on Satanists for the actions of one lunatic, they should be willing to put the blame on Christians for the acts of Jim Jones, David Koresh and many other lunatics who have tried to use the Christian religion for their own corrupted agendas.

    Diane and many others are responsible group owners. There are a lot of good Satanic groups and websites out there with responsible and normal moderators and priests. Don't judge whole people by the actions of the few. Nobody is judging your religion for the last lunatic who corrupted it to suit his/her own agenda.

    Real Satanists really do hate the JOS.

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  62. Incidentally, this:

    "White you are at it, don't forget to douche your nostrils and make out with a black stone before you start running around in circles yelling Allah is Great."--Anon # 2(?)

    Is not mine. I would never suggest you douche anything other than what's necessary, Darius.

    Damn EB fanclub.



    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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  63. Now, Darius, why are you pickin' on Pastor Johnny? Doggone it, I like that ol' boy!

    I mean, we may be , spiritually, a million miles apart, but there isn't a single, solitary political position of his I disagree with. Hell, they ought to make him President.

    But let me ask you this: Ain't it just a wee bit funny that this whole Palistinian issue didn't explode until AFTER the 1967 war, when Israel first gained the territories AFTER fighting off the agressive attack leveled against her by her Arab enemies? Why is it the Egyptians didn't carve out statehood for the Palistinians when they controlled the territories? (I could be wrong about all this, and I'm sure you'll fill me in on how, in fact, I am wrong, and furthermore, how much of a jingoistic, paranoid, intolerant, Coulter-worshipping, Jew-kissing, Shabbos Goy I am, as well. Knock yerself out.)

    Have a lovely evening, Darius. You will soon hear more of me and my funny little games.

    --Saucy Jack

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  64. Has anyone else noticed Cliffords lack of German speaking ability? Being bi-lingual in German and English it pains me to see someone who marches around with "German pride" speaking "german" terms and phrases, yet, cannot even spell them. Does this speak to the intelligence and research level of his abilities? Did not Andrea herself claim publically on many occasions on her board(and yes I do remember these) that "My husband is a historian, he knows everything about Nazi Germany and the Nazi Party", and yet he writes:
    "AT MIDNIGHT, of the 22d Dezember Zweihunderten ud vier in symbological visualization"
    and
    "UNTIL 12:20 AM of the morning of the 23rd Dezember zweihundertenudvier "

    This man does not even know his German NUMBERS. Zweihundertu[n]dvier is 204, so unless Cliff was planing on going back to the year 204 I dont think he will have much success! 2004 is however zwei tausend und vier. He seems to believe that "ud" is German for And[und].

    If thats not enough he goes around saying "Volkdom" this and "Volkdom" that. Volkdom ISNT a German word.

    And finally, the SYMBOL of the NSM and every other neo-nazi organization, he later defiles again with incorrect use of German by writing it as "The HakenKruez". It is HakenkrEUz. There is also no capitalization of the K.

    I am sorry but if you are going to not only take from German sources, BUT use German words in your organization and be a LEADER in your organization, please learn to SPELL them. That is all I have to say.

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  65. Hey. let's see if we can get 666 posts on this thread.

    I mean, it is about Satan, and all...

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  66. Diane Vera - You are AWSOME!!

    Finally a voice of true and balanced reason!!

    93/93

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  67. If you know Clifford and his wife, they are both experts who unquestionably know everything there is to be known. Their unlimited super-human (Satanic) knowledge cannot be refuted. If you attempt to debunk them, they will simply delete your posts.

    Which is why you will never catch them debating outside the safety of their own self-controlled environments, where they can alter the flow of conversations to give the public illusion that they are actually winning a debate, when they are not.

    Such also giving the illusion that they know it all, but we know it all better. After all, we aren't a bunch of deluded teenagers awaiting an inter-galactic war involving reptilian Jewish space aliens.

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  68. http://overthrow88.blogspot.com/2006/07/richard-brunson_11.html

    Richard Brunson

    I have a second witness, former NSM member, identity confirmed, who has seen Richard Brunson worship Satan and says he has evidence of sexual abuse.

    For those who need a good laugh, Brunson posted the following to NSM World today. It speaks for itself:

    "No one should be suprised that little Willy White is heavily engaged in attacking the NSM since he decided that a suspension of thirty days was too much for him and his fragile ego."

    "What is suprising is the fact he is accussing the NSM of being heavily influenced by a satanic group- yet Willy was facing suspension for pushing satanism and attacking Christians!!! His whole point and post was defending them. WE - The NSM- do NOT condone Satanism !!"


    Well, there would be an irony there, if this was true, but its not. What's ironic is that we have a group of Satan worshippers so worried about manipulating Christian Identity that they are claiming they suspended me for suggesting -- before I knew what was going on -- that we should defend her weird religion instead of backing away from it.

    What really happened, though, was that I started inquiring into the child sexual abuse -- and their reaction basically forced me to tender my resignation. I realized that something wasn't right, though its taken a few days to fill in the blanks.


    "Another point that needs to be addressed is that Willy was never a National Socialist- he always has been and will remain a Communist. Yes he lied to the Commander and Chairman Herrington about his rebirth into National Socialism- that is what Willy does the best- LIE. Why did he join the NSM ?? Ask yourselves why did he join any White Nationalist group. Why did he then leave those groups and go on an all out attack on his former comrades?? His Handlers taught him well- he systematically left those WN groups and then began a campaign against them and their Leaders. It is now our turn-and Willy the constimate Spin Doctor (one who excells at being a pathological liar) has thrown himself into is new role with gusto , however Bill White hasn't counted on our staunch National Socialist Comrades standing strong against his lies."


    First, its consummate. And yes, almost all of the NSM leadership is functionally illiterate. That's one of the reasons they needed me.

    You know, as I mentioned earlier, you have to be a damn fool to believe this. Fortunately for Brunson, he is a damn fool.


    "Willy the liar has been causing problems for sometime now- this was his last chance to prove his loyalty to the Party- yet he couldn't rein in that colossal Ego of his. He blames others for his personality flaws, his inability to function well with others in a working enviroment- problems with authority and with telling the TRUTH. Unless he is in the limelight he doesn't thrive. The NSM IS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF OUR MEMBERS !! No one individual in our ranks is more important than his comrade !! This is why we are wining and will remain a STRONG UNITED NATIONAL SOCIALIST ORGANIZATION- (this is why little willy white did not fit in) despite of little Willy and his red temper tantrum."

    "How do we go about dealing with this little boy ??- simple- no recognition- again he thrives in the lime light - we take that away from him and he is nothing more than the pathetic little boy who now talks badly about all of his former friends within the NSM. Just as he has done about every other White nationalist group he used to belong to."


    Ignoring the fixation on "little boys" -- what lies have I told, again?

    So far, Jeff Schoep, Cliff Herrington and company have either admitted, been debunked, or stayed silent on every factual accusation made against them -- preferring to respond instead with smears, lies and misrepresentations.

    The National Socialist Movement cannot survive with a pedophile in leadership, and with the remainder of its leaders afraid to confront him.

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  69. WELL...it seems that the NSM has kicked Herrington out! And too think, we don't accomplish anything. Can you say NEXT???

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  70. Diane Vera said...

    Also you might want to consider devoting part of your website to refuting the racist/neo-Nazi worldview. One year back in the late 1990's I spent quite a bit of time researching the online neo-Nazi scene, and I also looked at quite a few anti-racist websites as well. One thing I noticed (perhaps this has changed since them?) was that none of the anti-racist sites actually bothered to refute the beliefs of the racists. "

    First Diane Vera, I would like to thank you for pointing out you are right, so starting with tonight's broadcast One Peoples Radio we have started to address the issues of racism and why people might have a racist mindset. Well we cant come up with an answer in one short broadcast, each we will address the issue , hoping to find a solution. Floyd Cochran - One Peoples Radio

    Topics Covered in the July 11 One People Radio Program are :
    Neo Nazis Sinking Faster then the Bismark,
    Lord “Haw Haw” of New Jersey,
    Interview with Nikki and Tony from Citizens Against Hate,
    The “Bill White” Award for JUly 2006,
    Why Is Society Racist ?,
    “The Smallest Person Can Change the World”.
    Note: we experienced minor audio problems the first 10 seconds of the interview with Nikki and Tony

    We are now podcasting - so be sure to subscribe and encourage your friends;
    http://www.onepeoplesradio.com

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  71. I see vonbluvens is back as minister of radio

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  72. Von Bluvey is the token jew and he's always wishy washy about quitting things. Besides if he actually quit we would have to go on a jew hunt again to find someone to replace him. It's better if he stays in so we have a legit jewish member of nsm to point out, but then again he's the only member left besides the satanists.

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  73. Did you hear about Jeff Schoeps love child with April "Braun" Patterson ? Wow !

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  74. I'm going to disagree with some of my friends in here.

    Herrington resigning and the Schoep not letting Bill White back in the NSM is the worst possible news looking at the large picture.

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  75. "Have a lovely evening, Darius. You will soon hear more of me and my funny little games."

    Big evening planned at the Blue Oyster?


    I just thought of something. You know how Bill could sound even more intelligent?

    If he started selling t-shirts on Cafepress featuring clever slogans like: "Hail Israel: Might Makes Right!"

    Or even more clever, pithy and right to the point: "Rope. Tree. Journalist. Some Assembly Required". Gotta love the authoritarian pro-genocide right's sense of humour.

    I bet Nikki and Tony are really proud that your "name" once graced this blog's masthead.

    Hey, maybe Ed Gein hated nazis too. I'm sure that he was also capable of stringing a couple of coherent sentences together. Whaddaya think? I think he would have made a wonderful addition to the CAH roster. I mean why stop at just one power-worshipping, hate-filled psychopath.

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  76. Forgive me for not being emotionally shattered by the histrionic, sob-sister propaganda of "Mike Whitney" .

    Accept my humblest apologies for choosing, despite the aura of moral turpitude that is inevitably attached to it, loyalty to the American cause instead of hand-wringing on behalf of the failed ideologies of Socialism and Marxism.

    Forgive me, if you can, for the fact that there are tee-shirts being printed in this country that carry messages you find offensive. I find the vast majority of your message to be offensive, yet, I can do nothing about it save for pester and play games with you.

    Hopefully, one day, you'll keel over at the keyboard, a victim of your own bile, and ascend upward to Moonbat Valhalla.

    As for Nikki and Toni: Are you gonna tell me that they're confirmed anti-Semites who hate Israel and support Hamas? I don't think so.

    Although we probably disagree on 99.9% of our political values, I doubt they would really appreciate having YOU speak for THEM concerning what you perceive to be THEIR values.

    Just a guess.

    As for me being a "hate-filled" psychopath, I'm gonna toss that one back at YOU, bobbalooga! Cuz that particular jacket fits you so well...

    As for Ed Gein, well, I heard he mopped a mean floor...

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  77. "Big evening planned at the Blue Oyster?"--Darius

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    Why do you ask? Is it one of your favorite clubs?

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  78. Incidentally, there was a terror attack today in India. Body count: 147.

    Terror attack carried out by Lashka al-Toiba.


    Yeah, and my words offend you, Darius?

    Man, fuck you, you little hyppocrite...

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  79. EB: "I find the vast majority of your message to be offensive, yet, I can do nothing about it save for pester and play games with you."

    Still having a hard time getting over yourself? Your haughtiness and self-love aside, you're not pestering or playing games with anyone, Ebes.

    I first started posting here a few months ago only because I saw your reply to Von Bluvens about "maybe you can move to Iran -- before we bomb the shit out of it!" Back then you insisted that this was just part of some random back-and-forth feces-flinging between the two of you and not really indicative of any deeply felt animus or hatred. You even insisted that "some of my best friends are Arab", although I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with Iran.

    Now, however, you can no longer limit yourself to carefully parsed words and innuendo. You're laying all your cards on the table and really letting your ideology loose from its leash.

    You've made it very clear that you believe dissidents (of all stripes, colours and ideologies) should be rounded up and frog-marched into detention camps and that Muslims are evil sub-humans hellbent on taking over the world ... along with everything else that implies.

    I'm glad, really, that you no longer bother with niceties and dissembling.

    Now, umm, who's playing whom Ebes?

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  80. Oh, those evil world-conquering sandniggers. Just look at the shit they do: firing tank cannons at journalists; raping and killing 14-year old girls (along with their families) and then burning their bodies; going house to house methodically shooting everyone they find; savaging prisoners with dogs; forcing fathers to watch the anal rape of their sons; attacking large, densely populated cities with chemical weapons; indiscriminately bombing civilians (is it only decapitation if it's done with a sword?); murdering hundreds of thousands of human beings; attacking, invading and threatening country after country after country.

    Oh, wait...

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  81. You've made it very clear that you believe dissidents (of all stripes, colours and ideologies) should be rounded up and frog-marched into detention camps and that Muslims are evil sub-humans hellbent on taking over the world ... along with everything else that implies.--

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    This is a simplistic, hyperbolic slander of my political opinions. Not a fully-developed representation.

    I never said I was "Anti" anything, save for violence, terrorism, outright sedition, and the "Jihad".

    However, you did state, undeniably, that you hated ALL Jews.

    Basically, you lost the moral highground months ago.


    Nice try. You'll have to do better than that, Snugglemuffins.

    Now, I'm tired, so if you'll excuse me, I have some "establishment" work to do, and then I'm climbing back in the coffin for forty winks.

    PS: I like that Ebes thing. It's kind of cute.

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  82. And, good God, quit with the hyperlinks already.

    Half of that mess is unsubstantiated propaganda. The rest is typical MSM fodder.

    BTW, I thought all you lefties believed in "innocent until proven guilty"?

    I'll look through 'em all later, and get back to you, and we'll both being saying the same damn things...

    ...It's getting stale.

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  83. Harry Schwartz said:

    "I'm going to disagree with some of my friends in here.

    Herrington resigning and the Schoep not letting Bill White back in the NSM is the worst possible news looking at the large picture."


    I agree. Jeff Schoep has now unwisely positioned himself to be ousted by Bill White and his contingent. They will prove to be far more vocal and influential in leading the growth of the movement than the dim-witted Schoep and his misfit cadre of insiders.

    Look for rapid growth and exponential media exposure of the "new NSM" as it becomes the exclusive intellectual property of Bill White et al.

    Bad news ideed.

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  84. What you need to do is this, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PHOTO OF THIS MAXINE DIETRICH so that everyone knows what she looks like. This is a good attack so please do this as soon as possible.

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