Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Creator Joel Dufresne Arrested On 21 Counts of Sexual Assault



By Tony Willow

Yet another “Creator” in trouble with the law. Why am I not surprised? Actually, my prediction that Mr. Dufresne would be in front of a judge soon has come true. It’s unfortunate that it's under these circumstances though.

Facts are still coming in but here is what we know so far.

Joel Dufresne, one of my favorite people, was arrested in Orange Park Florida Monday on 21 counts of sexual assault against his ex-girlfriend. He was found with their 14-month-old son whom he was to have no contact with via an order out of Michigan. It’s unclear if charges of kidnapping will be added at this time. The child will stay with relatives until his mother can pick him up.

Details of the assault itself are sketchy but some reports state that Mr. Dufresne tied his girlfriend up and raped her repeatedly. It’s also been reported that she delayed contacting the authorities for fear of her life and the life of her son.

According to Lt. Barry Abramowitz of the Clay County Sheriff’s office, Dufresne had been in Florida for two weeks. If this is the case it should be interesting to see if he attended the recent NSM rally in Orlando, if he didn’t, then why? Fear of arrest? Fear that he knew they would be coming for him? Time will tell, I have feelers out to see if indeed he was or was not there. The “Creativity Movement” has attended many NSM rallies in the past.

We should have known something was up when Joel posted on the www.rahowa.net forum board:

"February 1, 2006 the following: (grammatical errors unchanged)

not sure when but i may be moving it may be within the next couple of weeks so stay tuned."

Joel additionally announced the following recently on their website (grammatical errors unchanged):

"I’m proud to announce that a friend of mine will be taking over the world center mailing address for me for a little while due to some personal things i have to take care of right now. it will be still supervised by me so nothing has changed but please give bro. tony white as much support as you all have shown to me. rev.joel

New mailing information
The creativity movement
po box 893
orange park, florida"

It's interesting that Orange Park is where he was arrested. Did he flee to Florida to show someone “the ropes” so to speak because he knew his ass was in a sling? Could be, we will have to see about that.

So how is this news of yet another racist arrest being circulated in “the movement”? Well of course Bill White of www.overthrow.com got his facts all wrong. He states that Joel was arrested in Orange Park, California and that he is charged with kidnapping, which as I have stated cannot be confirmed at this time. Makes you wonder why all the disinformation. Could it be that he is trying to distance himself from the “Creativity Movement”? Could very well be, especially when he states the following:

“According to Dufresne’s website, he is allied with the faction of the Creativity Movement that has largely reorganized itself as prison gang, along the lines of the Aryan Brotherhood.”

Stay tuned, updates to follow.

UPDATE: With new information coming out all the time we have learned that Dufresne was charged with 20 counts of sexual assault and one count of extortion. For the latest report, go HERE.

114 comments:

  1. A crime is a crime regardless of who committed it.

    If he is indeed guilty then he deserves to rot in jail as far as I am concerned.

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  2. Stefan Schmidt said...

    A crime is a crime regardless of who committed it.


    Tell that to the racist right.

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  3. ROH why don't you start reporting on all your "Brothas" raping and murdering ?

    Why don't you start reporting fairly on "HATE" and include all the non-white Haters out there ?

    You're the most one-sided website online because you only report on hate by whites. That's racist.

    Even the SPLC and ADL report on the non-white Haters too. You're no one to challenge anyone to report fairly. I challenge you to report on all haters and prove to the entire gamut of activists that you're not as racist and full of hate as those you criticize. Go ahead prove me wrong. Exhibit some journalistic integrity and cover a story not featuring a White perpetrator. Until then don't ask us to take you seriously, you're a racist and a hater of white people. You deserve whatever you get, live by hate, die by hate.

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  4. When Joel gets to prison he will have lots of explaining to do, but it will be the White men who are concerned enough to deal with him. The non-whites aren't even about justice for a victim of rape or molestation, they all do it. It's the blacks who are faggots and rapists in prison. The only bit of justice in the place is because of the few real White Men who are there. When someone rapes a kid and goes to jail, is it the blacks they're afraid of or the Whites ?

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  5. He looks like the type that would be hauled in for sexual battery...he has the look of a dirty, pissed-off little punk, who would cut your throat as soon as look at you.

    He was mad at the world, for some reason, and this is how he chose to deal with it. And it destroyed him.

    Poetic.

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  6. Is this the same Creator Joel who writes all the crazy shit to Nikki ?

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  7. Yes, I believe it is the same one.

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  8. Is this the same Creator Joel who writes all the crazy shit to Nikki ?

    That would be the same one. We have been expecting something out of Joel for awhile now - I just hate that it took this form. Of course, we haven't heard all sides yet.

    Joel is lost - always has been and probably always will be. It's really very sad.

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  9. Tell that to the racist right.
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    I have never met anyone in the WN movement who condoned rape. Care to elaborate?

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  10. EB,

    Tired after spamming the NIM board continuously with ‘Holocaust’ pictures?

    This time I am positive it is you, EB. ; )

    BTW,

    I have stumbled on a shock site called ‘Ogrish.’ This website basically posts snuff videos and gruesome pictures of real-world events.

    I happened to find a video showing the un-edited version of the Eugene Armstrong decapitation on this website. Now, I am going to keep my original position that we should not be in Iraq in the first place but it is hard to be sympathetic to these people when they condone such barbaric actions against innocent civilians.

    You can find the video here if you are interested: http://www.ogrish.com/archives/american_hostage_eugene_armstrong_beheading_video_killed_by_zarqawi_militant_group_Sep_21_2004.html

    This video is an eye opener and dare I say that everyone should watch it despite the gruesome content.

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  11. That would be the same one. We have been expecting something out of Joel for awhile now - I just hate that it took this form. Of course, we haven't heard all sides yet.
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    Just out of curiosity—what were you expecting?

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  12. Hmmm, say, kiddo, you wouldn't happen to be stalking Granpa, would you?

    Well, I'll let you have your fantasies all you want...

    Just remember: I NEVER use my real name, anywhere...so I guess you'll never know for certain. Will ya?

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  13. Well, Stefan - when you get to "know" some of these people it's pretty easy to determine when they are getting "antsy" or getting ready to blow. Joel has been running on high octane for several months now. His emails and his comments have been more and more bizzare and we just felt that he would do just that in some fashion.

    Now, I wouldn't have thought he would have gone the sexual assualt route necessarily - but given his criminal past and his penchant for crude and often crass discussion, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.

    It worried me when he tried so hard to get Tony to meet him in Texas. He was trying every approach - I'm certainly glad that she didn't.

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  14. As for the Armstrong video...I am not, uh, interested in much of the new material of that nature, although I grew up with all the Faces of Death videos, and find them to have some redeeming value in the sense that the footage is put together with a few nods of artistry.

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  15. As to the beheading videos - I saw the Daniel Perle video - and that was enough to last me for a lifetime. Ya know - that's the one that so many of the racists were spreading around and applauding.

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  16. Which reminds me, Shmidt, I have a horror novel to finish...have had bronchitis, dontcha know...Probably as a result of years of nicotine addiction (the artists vice)...

    Take care Mr. Shmidt. You're one of the good ones, even though I think you're full of it...Cheers!

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  17. Hmmm, say, kiddo, you wouldn't happen to be stalking Granpa, would you?
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    LOL- Not really….

    I happen to read the NIM board once a day and you can imagine my surprise today when I saw ‘several’ posters post holocaust pictures.

    The poster used the word ‘ciao’ which up to this point I have only seen you use.

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  18. Stefan,

    Show me one sign of a WN holding up a sign opposing white on white rape.

    You were aware that over 80 percent of rapes of white women are done by white men?

    But yet WN don't care, they only care when a black man rapes a white woman.

    When you show me a picket sign of a WN complaining of white on white rape, let me know.

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  19. He told his sister and her Husband that he had custody of his son and wanted to start a new life..get a job yada yada. He has been here for 2 weeks. His son went back to Michigan today to the girlfriend.

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  20. As to the beheading videos - I saw the Daniel Perle video - and that was enough to last me for a lifetime. Ya know - that's the one that so many of the racists were spreading around and applauding.
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    I remember a website called removewjews.com (might be a little off…) that glorified the Nick Berg decapitation video. Ultimately the video quality for the Nick Berg video (not true for the video I presented) was completely grainy and thus you only had a vague idea of what was going on.

    In the Nick Berg video the terrorists chanted some Islamic phrase (Allah Akhbar I believe) as they went about severing his head. While the chants were creepy it is interesting to note that the terrorists (believed to be the same ones in the Eugene Video) in the Eugene Armstrong video were relatively silent. I believe in the case of Nick Berg the terrorists had to ‘whip’ themselves into a sort of frenzy to be able to decapitate someone without their ‘conscience’ interfering while during the Eugene video they had already grew accustomed to this style of execution and thus no point to scream a chant repetitiously.

    Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, Bigley, and Pearl did not exercise due caution but to my knowledge stupidity never been a sin worthy of decapitation.

    The creepiest part of these videos is imagining yourself as the victim…. I am not sure if you had that same experience….

    I wonder how I would handle that event… I surely would not want to scream like Eugene did (and believe me—he screamed and gargled plenty)……

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  21. Show me one sign of a WN holding up a sign opposing white on white rape.

    You were aware that over 80 percent of rapes of white women are done by white men?

    But yet WN don't care, they only care when a black man rapes a white woman.

    When you show me a picket sign of a WN complaining of white on white rape, let me know.
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    This is not about protesting crime (what Harry- do you expect WNs to protest Chinese on Chinese crime?), this is about condoning crime. No WN (that I know of) will make excuses for a rapist just because they were White.

    However, when WNs protest crime they do so with a strict ideological goal and thus just like Al Sharpton only protests crime when the victim is Black and the perpetrators are White—so do WNs (in reverse—considering the victim and perpetrators).

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  22. have had bronchitis, dontcha know...Probably as a result of years of nicotine addiction (the artists vice)...
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    Sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better.

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    Take care Mr. Shmidt. You're one of the good ones, even though I think you're full of it...Cheers!
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    Why, thank you EB (I think?)…..

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  23. So Stefan,

    It's the same argument. Because you can find some black racists, it's okay for everyone else to be one also.

    That argument doesn't fly around here. And Sharpton doesn't carry the swatiska or praise Adolf Hitler does he?

    Again, if you and WN cared about your white women, you would be most worried about the group who rapes and beats them the most, the white males.

    The signs carried by the NSM only addressed black on white rape, which again, is only a small fraction of all rapes.

    You get rid of all black crime and the percentage of white women being raped only drops a little bit. You get rid of white on white rape and and rate drops by over 80 percent.

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  24. Stefan, you're wasting your time trying to debate the KIKE Schwartzo. He's too much of a Nigger Lover to have good sense when it comes to the White race.

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  25. Anonymous said...
    He told his sister and her Husband that he had custody of his son and wanted to start a new life..get a job yada yada. He has been here for 2 weeks. His son went back to Michigan today to the girlfriend.

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    Are you the person who sent me that email this morning?

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  26. It's the same argument. Because you can find some black racists, it's okay for everyone else to be one also.
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    If pro-Black and pro-Minority organizations exist then pro-White organizations should exist as well.

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    And Sharpton doesn't carry the swatiska or praise Adolf Hitler does he?
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    LOL—I don’t think Al Sharpton has a choice…. After all, he was born Black…

    What is wrong with the Swastika? It has a history that predates Hitler and the NAZIS—why do people always try to associate that symbol with Hitler?

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    Again, if you and WN cared about your white women, you would be most worried about the group who rapes and beats them the most, the white males.

    The signs carried by the NSM only addressed black on white rape, which again, is only a small fraction of all rapes.

    You get rid of all black crime and the percentage of white women being raped only drops a little bit. You get rid of white on white rape and and rate drops by over 80 percent.
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    A protest, Harry, is going to be selective by nature. What do you think protesting White on White crime will accomplish? Protests of this nature are intended to further an agenda (Blacks disproportionately commit crimes—which is statistically true).

    Also—protesting such crimes can be used as a mean to prevent forced integration, pointing out that if the nation was completely integrated these Black on White crimes will skyrocket (BTW, Harry did you see the new stats on Hate crime victims).

    As for White on White crime--- protesting this furthers no political agenda but that does not mean that the crime is less severe or should be punished differently. Crime will exist in any society but what the WNs are protesting is a group of people who disproportionately commit violent crimes and therefore are warning the populace and the government of the horrors of forced integration.

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  27. although I grew up with all the Faces of Death videos, and find them to have some redeeming value in the sense that the footage is put together with a few nods of artistry.
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    To my understanding, the Faces of Death videos are fakes, are they not?

    You get a completely different feeling when you watch this video (Eugene decapitation video) when you know that this is all ‘real’ instead of a bunch of dyed corn syrup and fancy acting….

    In my opinion the screaming was the most disturbing part of the videos (not so much of the graphics). In this day and age, computers (via CGI) can replicate those images fairly accurately but I have never in any movie heard screams such as the ones Eugene made during the beheading.

    I am pretty sure the beheading did not hurt (the shock from the trauma of having your head being cut off would prevent any sizably stimulation of pain receptors) but what goes through your mind during the process is a completely different story.

    I tried imagining that it was I was Eugene Armstrong and what emotional responses would be going through my head during this act….

    I would try my hardest not to scream—I would not allow them that pleasure and if it takes biting my tongue then so be it….

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  28. Stefan the propaganda value of the video is in making someone personalize the violence. To wonder what had it been them, and what would they do differently.

    It works because there is nothing anyone could do. That examples the power of the terrorists and the powerlessness of the victim. The value, that those who watch feel powerless against the terrorists.

    In think the point that a white man watching sees is that there is no power for the terrorists doing this. It shows a strength in our race that we look beyond death and to the way we die being as important as the why. Even when bound and about to be killed the real Aryan sees that it's not about what they do to us, but how we face it and dying with honor is our way of overcoming any power they might gain by killing us.Our willingness to sacrifice for the better good of the folk.

    Many times in battles the losing side was bound and then killed, avoiding slavery, but there are examples where the first man killed did not cry out. His killers saw this as a strength about him, even in death. The same with the next man. Finally after realizing it only empowered the remaining wariors the killers gave up and released them with their freedom.

    This is something I've never seen in any other race. A Japanese performing seppuku is about the most calm and relaxed death I have watched. I wonder at times if there is a link between Aryans and Japanese that is forged in honor. Maybe that is why they fought side by side with Germans til the end. The last battle for Berlin had many samurai who fought, and they went down to the last man. Later in Tibet 8,000 monks fought off over 80,000 communist chinese in the worlds last mounted cavalry charge. All were killed, but in honor they live on through every true warrior since, and forever.

    If a White Power man was captured I'm sure he would display the proper dislike for jewry and perhaps this would deter him from being killed, atleast in this style. I'm not sure what happens to a white man who is captured and provides proof that he is also an enemy of the jew. I speculate he would be freed, but I also understand that there is no reason for us to be in Iraq. So if a White man comprehends the war as a war for israel, why would he be in Iraq ? I think the reason this theory is not yet proven one way or another is because our guys are not slaughtering Iraqis for Israel, we stayed home like good people should.

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  29. Stefan the propaganda value of the video is in making someone personalize the violence. To wonder what had it been them, and what would they do differently.
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    I understand that. Zarqawi is very smart and knows how to wage a ‘propaganda’ war. These people were not executed because they were a threat to Iraq but instead were executed to send a message (As Zarqawi put it: ‘You send your people over here and we send them back in coffins’).

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    Even when bound and about to be killed the real Aryan sees that it's not about what they do to us, but how we face it and dying with honor is our way of overcoming any power they might gain by killing us.
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    To which I am reminded of the battle of Thermopylae. Seeing a huge contingent of Persian forces most of the Greeks fled except the Spartans. Being heavily outnumbered (300 Spartans to over 200,000 Persians) the Spartans chose to fight anyway. When Leonidas was told that Persian arrows would blot out the sun he responded this way: ‘Today we will fight in the shade.’

    All 300 Spartans were eventually killed (but not after taking thousands of Persians with them) but their legacy lives on (as the Spartans stalled the Persians at the cliff of Thermopylae other Greek forces assembled—if this had not been down the Persians could have very well sacked Athens and thus Europe would look very different).

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    I'm not sure what happens to a white man who is captured and provides proof that he is also an enemy of the jew. I speculate he would be freed,
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    Probably not…
    Zarqawi is executing these people to send a message to America. The ideological beliefs of the victims are unimportant since it is not the victim that Zarqawi is trying to destroy but Americas perception of the war (after all, they executed Margaret Hassan who lived in Iraq before the war and was married to an Iraqi- her maiden name is Fitzsimmons; she was opposed to the Iraq war and worked in a hospital helping wounded and sick Iraqi’s).

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    but I also understand that there is no reason for us to be in Iraq. So if a White man comprehends the war as a war for israel, why would he be in Iraq ? I think the reason this theory is not yet proven one way or another is because our guys are not slaughtering Iraqis for Israel, we stayed home like good people should.
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    I also believe that we should not be in Iraq. These people did not exercise due caution (all were stubborn and in Iraq to earn a quick buck; Berg and Pearl were avowed Jews—not too smart mind you) but for all their greed and naivety it is hard not to feel sorry for them. They made poor choices but so have I and my punishment was never a ‘beheading.’

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  30. Actually, stephan, there have been several times where racists have condoned, and even praised or threatened rape of white women, usually of racist women who left the movement or thier man or didn't "toe the line" with them.

    Elisha Strom and Elena Haskins have both had WNs tell them they deserved to be raped, because they don't push this barefoot-in-the-kitchen nonsense for racist women. I know at least 2 antiracist women who left the racist movement after rape or sexual assualts from their fellow skinheads, and I believe I read some allegations about another creator doing or threatening this within the last year or so.

    Then again, you have all those "deserved to be raped because she hung out with niggers" comments that show up on WN sites. Those girls are white too, irregardless of who they date or are friends with.

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  31. Actually, stephan, there have been several times where racists have condoned, and even praised or threatened rape of white women, usually of racist women who left the movement or thier man or didn't "toe the line" with them.
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    I will repeat what I said: ‘No WN that I know of condones rape.’ There are always nuts and I try to ignore them…..

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    Then again, you have all those "deserved to be raped because she hung out with niggers" comments that show up on WN sites. Those girls are white too, irregardless of who they date or are friends with.
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    I have seen these comments before and believe that these comments are made more out of anger than rational thought.

    A person who used to frequent this blog (Toni) received such threats and I have expressed my apologies on be-half of those dumbasses that had the nerve to call her up at her home and threaten her in front of her White children (her current boyfriend is Black but her children are from a White husband).

    However, every organization has its share of liabilities…..

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  32. One more note on the battle of Thermopylae:

    The Spartans only lost when a traitor by the name of Ephialtes showed the Persians an alternate route around the mountain pass.

    I was in Greece (as well as Italy) last summer to celebrate Graduation and unfortunately did not get to see this mountain pass (my friends wanted to go island hoping—no appreciation for history) which is located north of Delphi.

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  33. my friends wanted to go island hoping
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    correction: hopping

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  34. Stefan, there are those in the racist movement who condone rape and even advocate it in some instances. I can attest to that personally.

    Additionally, I think the point is that crime is crime regardless of the color of the perpetrator. I understand that WN's like to play the race card when it comes to crime - and that is part of the problem. The issue isn't white on white, white on black, etc. The issue is - a woman isn't any less violated if the rapist is white - she is still raped. The victim isn't any less dead if the murderer is of another race. Crime is certainly a problem here in America - but to protest on the basis of race is ludicrous and quite myopic to most of us.

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  35. The issue isn't white on white, white on black, etc. The issue is - a woman isn't any less violated if the rapist is white - she is still raped. The victim isn't any less dead if the murderer is of another race. Crime is certainly a problem here in America - but to protest on the basis of race is ludicrous and quite myopic to most of us.
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    When a dog so much as bites a child that dog is ‘put down.’ Now, according to you the response should be the same regardless if the biter was a dog or a person since the ‘physical’ crime is identical (the child is bit either way).

    Unfortunately, Nikki, the world does not work that way. The victim and perpetrator are just as important (in judging the severity of an offense) as the actual crime.

    Now you are undoubtedly going to respond this way: ‘This is argument is tenuous—we are all people.’

    My response:

    We are also all animals—when is a categorization too vague to be applicable?

    If an older man were to beat up your child then you would react with more hostility than if another child were to do the very same thing.

    If another child were to beat up your child then you would react with more hostility than if your child was beat up by a sibling (i.e. another one of your children).

    In these two cases both the perpetrators were human and in both cases the crime is identical but in both cases you would not react identically.

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    Stefan, there are those in the racist movement who condone rape and even advocate it in some instances. I can attest to that personally.
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    I already noted that there are nuts in every movement and that I personally did not know any WN that advocated or condoned rape.

    I am sorry to hear that you have been attacked so viciously.

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  36. Stephan,

    The Faces of Death videos are a clever mixture of recreated scenes and archive footage.

    If you are interested, I would advise you to pick up a copy of Death Scenes, a book by Sean Tejaratchi. It is basically a collection of crime scene photos put together by L.A.P.D. Detective John Huddleston, who served from (I believe) the mid-twenties through the early nineteen-fifties. Essentially, it documents the "noir" period.

    It can be obtained here: www.feralhouse.com


    Happy hunting!

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  37. Completely off the subject, but I just couldn't resist - it seems our "guerilla photographer" was not just at the Orlando rally but is recognized and counted as one of the "marchers."

    Do we have any doubts now?

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  38. Fuck you, wicked bitch of the midwest, think what you want, as you sit in your hole and continue spitting out your tabloids of crap.

    I get awesome shots, I get back stage and the shots nobody has access too.

    What I shoot is reality, hence, I don't have to make it up as I go like you do.

    This is called "Jouralism".

    I shoot the news and you, who never leaves her keyboard, are the level of the National Inquirer.

    Do you even have the balls to show up and report on these events first hand?

    No, because that would take something I have that you will never have, it's called "GUTS".

    So, call me what you wish, it is all bull shit, but calling YOU chicken shit is hitting it pretty on the head.

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  39. And if anyoen would like to take a look at the shots I got:

    http://www.isisimagery.blogspot.com

    There is both antiRacist and Nazis alike.

    My fav shot is this one...

    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4845/1746/1600/IMGP5892.jpg

    This lady and I were smiling at each other from across lines, as she proves a much smarter soul than "Nikki", and is probably a prettier picture too, as she is the real deal and not some attention whore fake.

    The "peace girls" were cool too.....

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  40. Ya know what Isis, if I had a sugar daddy that paid my way I'd go to all these events too!

    I DO go out in the field Isis, do your homework before you make stupid comments like that. Actually, ask your buddy Bill about that. I seem to recall he made comments on his site that the people who went to Matthew Hale's trial should be killed, directing that at me and other anti-racists who attended. I've also attended rallies but since I've moved down to Texas there hasn't been any to go to and, again, if I had a sugar daddy...

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  41. Isis, can I suck your sweet shemale dick?

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  42. Nice try, Willow, but Toledo 2 was my kid's Christmas money and this last trip was arranged with a call to the bank to hold off on the mortgage for this month

    I don't have a "sugar daddy", as nice as that would be.

    There was a real estate developer who has helped out as he sees what I do as important work, but he isn't a "sugar daddy" he has his own perosnal reasons.

    But, if you do know anyone who would like to be my "sugar daddy" please, send them over.

    But, until then, I will go to these events with monies I barely have, but yet, as I had a nice discussion about with Cindy Sheehan, ramen noodles are good and it takes chicks like us who don't care if we have the monies or not, we do what we do fueled by passions.

    How long ago was Matt Hale?

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  43. Sentencing was last year as a matter of fact. And unlike you, I take nobody's money.

    Well I'm off on a road trip, will check back here in a few days as I'm sure there will be more babbling posts to deal with.

    Cheers all!

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  44. Dear Isis,

    I've recently found a blog that might interest you. It features some great photos, showing firsthand the handiwork of these wonderful Nazi types.


    holocaustimages.blogspot.com

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  45. But hey, we all know it was really just a hoax, right?

    holocaustimages.blogspot.com

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  46. Hey, anny, I know quite a bit about the Holocaust. Have you actually ever been into The Holocaust Museum in DC?


    What are the most powerful elements of the museum exibits and the web-site you posted?



    The photograghs.......

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  47. Willow, I am sure doing and making up stories is about all you can do anyway.

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  48. Quote Isis:
    Nice try, Willow, but Toledo 2 was my kid's Christmas money and this last trip was arranged with a call to the bank to hold off on the mortgage for this month

    End Quote:

    Bingo says:

    If this is true, then you need to get your priorties straight. If you are taking your kids Christmas money and holding off mortages so you can take pictures of nazis, that's not rational. That's fucked up. Really fucked up.

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  49. No, not really. I talked to the kids about it, they were very cool with it.

    My son is a videotographer and a media arts student, and thinks my work is (his words) "awesome".

    He brags to all his friends about his mom who can go and face Nazis and record these racist moments in our American history.

    I had about $100 left over from that trip. I went to Target and bought them ACDC jammies, some cheap DVDs and some fun stuff to play with on Christmas am.

    We are not about the material things in our house.

    My son produced a video based on the protests against the Republican convention in NYC, he also produces his own political roundtable show on cable access and TA teaches TV production at his high school.

    In our house, it's about getting the shots, the news, the reality of the moment on record.

    They both actually thank me for doing the work I do on this project.

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  50. No, not really. I talked to the kids about it, they were very cool with it.

    My son is a videotographer and a media arts student, and thinks my work is (his words) "awesome".
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    Wow—I doubt I would (as a child) be as selfless as your children.

    On Christmas the presents were the only things I looked forward to. It is shame, if you think (the materialistic culture) about it, but for some parents it is easier to buy off their children than actually parent them…

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    My son produced a video based on the protests against the Republican convention in NYC, he also produces his own political roundtable show on cable access and TA teaches TV production at his high school.
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    I guess an artistic streak runs in the family. I used to draw pretty well when I was young (11 being the pinnacle of my enthusiasm).

    I guess, however when you do not nurture your talent it slowly goes away (I also used to be able to speak Italian since I lived in Venice for two years, however, that too has gone away and now I can just barely understand it when spoken—speaking/reading/writing is difficult).

    I am a bit curious (if you don’t mind sharing—this is really none of my business) as to how you support yourself. The occasional photos of NAZIS marching is not going to pay the bills--- is there other work that you do?

    Anyways--- I am not going to enter this flame war business (I did in October and paid for it).

    I am going on Spring break (my plane leaves at 9:20—Nassau; I will also turn 18 on March 6!--- I will leave for the airport at around 5:00 so don’t be offended if I don’t answer a reply for a week or so if you post after 5) today and thus whish everyone a happy week!

    PS

    Remember that this is just cyberspace--- no reason to get overly emotional

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  51. Steph- we are a media arts family.
    My kids are in their teens, so they don't care about all that Material crap. And even when they were little, they were not that material focused as legos and comic books called ("mangas"?) are really the only thing that seemed to count around here anyways.

    When I am not "shooting Nazis" *grin* I am helping lobbiests with their media and Hill packages and I do a bit of minor lobbying.

    I am working on trying to become The Hill photographer for a gun magazine being that there are quite a few gun oriented cases coming up before the SCOTUS, and I need them to help me get my Hill clearence and they need someone who will take the photos of these cases, even if not in the courtroom but as they enter or leave.

    Have fun during Spring Break.

    Get drunk, high, laid and a really tacky tattoo that you don't remember how it got there!

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  52. Get drunk, high, laid and a really tacky tattoo that you don't remember how it got there!
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    LOL- I bet your children love having you as a mom! : )

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    Have fun during Spring Break.
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    Will do, now that midterms are over with and to my estimations went extremely well, plus the Bahamas are absolutely crazy around this time every year ; )

    I have to leave soon—Take care

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  53. Isis said...
    Fuck you, wicked bitch of the midwest


    Sorry Isis - wrong gender.

    And...yes you do get awesome shots - so?

    I don't intend to get into a flame war with you either. I just have a couple of remarks and then I will shut up - maybe.

    You seem to think that you know a lot about me - how is that? How do you know where I have been or where I go? You have not once met me, and have no idea what I look like. You have no idea whether you have seen me or not. I might have been a lot closer to you than you ever realized.

    You see, Isis, it isn't necessary for me to tell everyone where I have been - and it wouldn't be very smart on my part. That is, of course, unless I was a Nazi groupie looking for love in all the wrong places.

    Additionally, if you know "quite a bit about the Holocaust" then I am very surprised that shooting swastika-waving Nazi's doesn't move you.

    As for you spending the kids Christmas money - I guess we all have our priorities - and it's really sad how skewed some of them can get, huh?

    Personally, I don't really care who you take pictures of or what you do in your personal life. I just really don't care much for people who claim to be something they aren't or who attempt to enter the arena with the intent of playing two ends against the middle.

    You call it "journalism" I call it back-stabbing.

    Stefan - have a great Spring Break!

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  54. Isis was able to infiltrate the NSM rally but yet Bill White knows who she is. That should ring bells right there that something is fucked up.

    So why would Bill White allow a known anti to infiltrate their rally? Because he isn't an anti, she's pro-nazi.

    Isis is a nazi groupie who enjoys hanging with neo-nazis. She even marches with them. She also hanged around them during the Toledo rally.

    Anyone who would delay a mortgage payment to attend a nazi rally to shoot photos is fucked up in the head. Totally fucked up. Did I say that's totally fucked up?

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  55. I figured she would be in Orlando since she enjoys this so much. But, when Gletty from the NSM posted his thanks to all involved in helping "pull this thing together" and her name was there, as well as the fact that she had been counted in the numbers who marched - yes, I have a problem with that.

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  56. But, when Gletty from the NSM posted his thanks to all involved in helping "pull this thing together" and her name
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    where is this posted ?

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  57. Gletty made a mistake, he knows it now, he has been notified about it.

    The Nazis let me *in* because I give them dibs on the shots I take, and let them use them.

    Their own photographers, like Halloway, have not such generous offers.

    If you get off on picturing me as a Nazi, heck feel free. I don't care.

    Probably some kind of weird fetus freak fantasy you have anyways.

    All I care about are getting the shots, getting good shots and leaving them to history.

    In 100 yrs you'll all be dead, so who the hell cares what you think?

    In 100 yrs my photos will live on, and the people will know what was going on during these crazy times.

    So, sit in your pathic hovels and gossip like the hagged harpies you are.

    Hey! Why don't you shitty chat around that I am gay, or really a she-male, or a changling?

    Maybe I am really from Mars too *grin*.

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  58. The Nazis let me *in* because I give them dibs on the shots I take, and let them use them.

    Their own photographers, like Halloway, have not such generous offers.


    Well, they say that everyone has their price. Personally, I don't like bartering with the devil.

    If you get off on picturing me as a Nazi, heck feel free. I don't care.

    All I care about are getting the shots, getting good shots and leaving them to history


    I think that is pretty obvious from your previous posts regarding your finances.

    As I said before, I don't care who you affiliate yourself with and I don't really care what you do. I see you as a very talented photographer who has fallen into the status of Nazi groupie - and that is a sad, sad thing. In the process of all of this you have alienated some people and jacked-up a couple of friends.

    But...as you say - you don't care about anything other than the "shots." And you have the audacity to call others unscrupulous?

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  59. Also...you're right that in 100 years we will all be gone - but what kind of world will we leave behind, Isis? What is our legacy to be? What will our great-grandchildren inherit from those who don't care about anything other than "getting the shot?"

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  60. My grandchildren will have the photos which will mean more than any stupid wad of cash.

    My grandchildren will know what happens to a nation when the president is a traitor.

    Nazis aren't a problem, Nazis are a symptom of a problem, a symptom that there our society is angry and disgruntled.

    I don't agree with Nazi racialism, they know that, everyone I know knows that, you are the only one who needs to dress me up in a brown shirt.

    But, what I will agree with, with them, is the fact that we are in a very bad place right now.

    We are in a very costly illegal war.
    Or economy is in the toilet.
    And our nation is being run by thieves.

    Nazis choose to believe that the blame for these problems is racialist based.

    I disagree, as a good libral, I blame Bush and his Junta for all this mess.

    But, as hard as it is to deal with their opinions, they, as Americans, still have a right to them.

    They have their right to free speech, and there are times when I have worn a CD headset to get through shooting some of their rallies, but they still have their rights to express how they think and feel.

    I see them, as I see all grassroots movements today, as expressing the extreme voice of America, a vioce that is often swept under the rug by the maintream media.

    Now, if you have not noticed on my blog, there are lots of different kind of groups on there.

    Monday, I am going to shoot an anti-AIPAC rally. Within the next few weeks I will be shooting the UPJ "Storm the White House" action.

    I shoot a lot of Nazis because, well, I see them as really growing and very active.

    This grassroots photojournalist project has a very good varity of photos to show my grandchildren who was taking it to the streets in 2006.

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  61. Certainly Joel Dufresne is newsworthy. But while you're preoccupied discussing Dufresne, Glenn Miller has announced his candidacy for Congress from SW Missouri. You might find that of interest. His campaign website:

    http://www.whty.org

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  62. Thanks Alaska - I am working on that right now.

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  63. I get the feeling that Hal Turner has a thing for you. You ever get that feeling?
    Having a really fun time with Nazis

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  64. Hal? Having a *thing* for me?

    I doubt that.

    Come on, I am an old woman, you can see that in the shot. Yet, you guys have given me the hottest life of romance I could ever imagine.

    Now, I thought I was supposed to have a big live affaire with Bill White?

    Now, Hal Turner?

    I would assure you that I would probably be far less of a bitch if I was having the fabulous sex life you think I have.

    Now, can you guys talk about me having sex with the "Absolut Hunk" from Sex in the City?

    Because, then, we both will be on the same fantasy sex page...really...and if you recall, no he was not a Nazi, he was nekkid with a bottle of vodka between his legs....

    Thanx!

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  65. I guess dickin children out of Christmas and making a dead beat move on the morgage just to take a little picture taking trip is the price one has to pay for living in a "350,000 dollar house".

    It's funny how lies and stupidity has a way of coming back to bite one in the *ss.

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  66. Another worthless racist rotting in jail, a burden on the taxpayers. The creativity remnants should be charged with feeding that animal for the next decade.

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  67. IsisDC said...

    This is called "Jouralism".

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    You can't even spell Journalism. You're a spy, both sides know it. So is your sponsor, both sides know that too. I think it's funny, maybe they'll give you a desk job now, and a dictionary.

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  68. IsisDC said...

    I shoot the news and you, who never leaves her keyboard, are the level of the National Inquirer.
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    That's National ENQUIRER, not to be confused with your sponsors website, "Nationalist Enquirer".

    Everyone should have a goal in life, just don't put others down because you believe you're already completing yours, you're far from being a journalist. Hack.

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  69. Bill White said she was Hot,
    My source said she was Not.

    Not even for Schnapps or free Vodka Shots.

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  70. These boneheads are tripping over their own feet around you. Most looking more crazy then usual. I think it's love!
    Hal checking out Isis. Another love connection has been made.

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  71. Just got back from my LONG road trip. You all are going to have to wait until tomorrow for all I have to say!! And there is A LOT I plan on saying here but I'm a wee bit tired from a 3 1/2 hour drive a 6 hour concert and another 3 1/2 hour drive home. All for my daughter who deserves every bit of it! Cheers all!

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  72. I shoot a lot of Nazis because, well, I see them as really growing and very active.
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    methinks you have listened to Bill White too long

    They aware no bigger that Rockwells group, and they will never get any larger. Unlike you people know what the Nazis did and what the Nazis stand for

    The best way to fight Nazis is ignore them, quarantine them as Rockwell was quarantined

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  73. Here is a nice, family-friendly homily straight from the fetid crevice of the net known as the Hal Turner Show:

    "The jews are always screaming about the blood. Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and drag them over the altar and let them drown in their own blood! I dream of the day when the last rabbi is strangled on the guts of the last zionist."--Hal Turner, neo-Nazi

    Hey, Isis, isn't Hal one of YOUR friends? Just curious.

    holocaustimages.blogspot.com

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  74. Those pictures that you "give them dibs on, and let them use" are used to further themselves. Perhaps before all is said and done you will be able to leave some shots like these behind for your grandchildren:

    holocaustimages.blogspot.com

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  75. Actually, Niks, I would hope that my shots will help prevent my grandchildren from facing images like the ones on that blog in their real lives.

    Now, I think this conversation has gone dead and stupid.

    I don't know what you are about or after, or why I need to be your latest victim of attack, my guess is that you just must enjoy it too much.

    I have a nice week of NonRacialist stuff to shoot a head of me.

    Tuesday I get to see Cindy Sheehan again and hope to interview her about how *she* handles idiots who attack her for misrepresented reasons. She is a wise woman, I like her very much and am looking forward to her kind words and to chatting with her again.

    (yes, there really are some very kind people out there in the real world!)

    So, I bid you good luck to whatever you do and goal for, and I hope you keep in mind that those you attack, with obviously very little conscienceness or thoughtfulness, that they are all still human beings.

    Peace out!

    Isis

    http://www.isisimagery.blogspot.com

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  76. Hey, anny, I know quite a bit about the Holocaust. Have you actually ever been into The Holocaust Museum in DC?--"Isis"

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    What the hell does it matter if I have, or not? I'm not the one cosying-up to neo-Nazis. You are.

    But for your information , I have seen many artifacts and displays of Holocaust memoribillia in several military museums, as well as at a predominantly Jewish university.

    Also, NOBODY is impressed that you know fucking Cindy Sheehan--I could really give a damn. Cindy and the rest of the "Hate and Blame America and Israel First" crowd are ever so willing to take up for Islamic fanatics who would wage war and terrorism against the world with no compunctions at all.

    Isis, you and Cindy really are two of a kind--strong-willed women with more venom than logic.

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  77. Ok, all the Nazi shit aside, I have a MAJOR beef with you Isis. You claim you are so into the D.C. "scene" and you do "minor lobbying" and that this government is corrupt. Excuse me but when you tell a 17-year-old to:

    "Get drunk, high, laid and a really tacky tattoo that you don't remember how it got there!"

    It is YOU is what is wrong with this country Isis. How the hell can you think that this is ok? BTW where are your OWN children when you do these little jaunts of yours? Out getting drunk, high and laid??? I highly doubt your friend "Cindy" would agree with that sort of parenting!

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  78. Of course 17 yr olds should get drunk and laid, that is what being 17 is about.

    What is wrong and evil are those stupid social conservatives who try to tell children to abstain and keep kids in cages.

    We must be open and honest with kids.

    Sex is good, by 17 most are mature enough to and should have some kind opf sexual activity exploration.

    Smoking pot a better choice over alcohol, but at 17 kids should learn how to drink to some degree and handle by the time hey become adults.

    Did you never have a sex partner in high school?

    Did you never drink or get high at 17?

    I know you put on this goody two shoes face here, but you did have a life and some kind of fun as a teenager...I mean, don't tell me you were that pathetic....and so as long as kids are going to do it anyways, we should be honest and frank about it to them.

    If you ask me, the thing that really ruins this country is that stupid Puritan bullshit mindset.

    SEX=GOOD!

    And if you have problems with lobbiests, well sweetie, it was some of the brave chicks like myself who have helped pass that EC Pill, as at the time I had changed the mind of a handful of Republicans to vote for the over the counter availablity.

    But, hey, being that you are an up tight fridge and probably a sex hater, you probably don't value reproductive rights.

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  79. Wow, your more of a nut than I thought. Now I can see why the racists like you so much. They too encourge illegal activities!

    Got a question for you. Do you supply your own kids with "party supplies"?

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  80. Hey "Willow Schlafly"-

    No, I don't, but I am very open and honest about how it should be legal and that hopefully the future generations will legalize.

    I am a MPP member, that is a The Marijuana Policy Project lobby group, my kids know that too.

    Creating criminals out of people who burn leaves (usually those people who serve time for it are black) sounds very Republican and very racist.

    Wow, the CAH is really a front group for Republican values...who knew?

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  81. Damn Isis, now I know where all your brain cells went. How the hell do you get being against illegal drugs to being racist??? Drugs are illegal plain and simple. You really ought to lay off of them for awhile, but sad to say, those brain cells don't come back once they are gone so there is little hope for you getting this through your hazy brain.

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  82. Willow, you are running out of points, and grabbing at straws to try to keep up arguement that isn't there.

    If you choose not to like me, I don't care.

    If you choose to believe bullshit about me, again, I don't care.

    Go an picture me in a brown shirt and red arm band if that is whatever your fetish is.

    Good luck in your unhappy and petty life, I hope you find what ever it is you are looking for.

    Ta!

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  83. Whatever Isis, go roll another one and go to bed. You are one sad sad individual you really are. Thank god you don't live here in Texas.

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  84. Yes, I see the Asshole who "sometimes" lives 6 miles from my house at 1600 Penn Ave, and he is from Texas, so yes, I think we agree on one thing:

    THANK GODS I DON'T LIVE IN TEXAS!

    Thus, I am not too impressed by it's residents by any means.

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  85. BTW- Isn't Texas the highest state in commiting the death pentalty?

    How nice...

    Smoking leaves = bad

    But, public execution = good

    You want to talk about SAD?

    *yeeesh*

    I do think you really should change your name to "Schlafly", you and Philly have so much you agree on.

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  86. And BTW- you want to actually learn something about racism and drug laws?

    Why don't you try to attend a rally for the family and friends of incarcerated persons.

    You tell me why the children of pot smokers are so much better of when their parents are locked up because of this insane and racist "War on Drugs".

    Drug laws were created to keep people of colour behind bars.

    But, it is morons like you who buy into all this that DEA crap.

    And did you know that $15 million goes into keeping mostly black people locked up for marijauna use?

    Real nice, must be those "family values" you go on and on about.

    How fucking Republican you are.

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  87. Isn't D.C. the home of the one person you blame for everything? Bush! LOL your really stretching now. Ok, try this on for size, I also lived in California, Illinois, Nevada...what are you going to say to that? LOL. What I meant was that if you DID live here I would have to make it VERY known your views on how teenagers should live. Parents don't like having kids corrupted by people like you, or better yet the possibility that you would provide such substances to their kids.

    Go to bed Isis, your just digging yourself a big hole.

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  88. BTW-

    I have seen what drugs do to people and how it effects families. I have first hand knowledge of it. I'm the youngest of 4 and the only one who has not been in and out of jail for using them. I saw what it did to them and is STILL doing to them. And guess what? We are white. It's not a black and white issue Isis.

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  89. Yes, I am a corrupter now, well, "Miss Eagle Forum", it is red state conservatives, like you who are really damaging this country with that stick up their asses.

    You are a fake, a Republican and a social conserative.

    I'm not digging any hole I just watched you dig a huge one.

    I will make if very well known that CAH supports racist drug laws and unfair incarcerations of persons of colour who are being held and their families ruined for nonviolent crimes.

    And that this could very well be a Republican front group as there is anti-sexual and reproductive freedom values also within the organization.

    Thank you for opening this up.

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  90. Dear lord your off your rocker tonight! LOL

    Drugs are bad

    Isis thinks they are good

    WOW now there is news for ya!

    We have been accused of a lot of things but I must say that's a first! LOL

    I have still yet to see my paycheck from the ADL, SPLC, and now who should I add to that list? The Republican party. Damn I should be rich by now.

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  91. Drugs are not bad, and DRUG LAWS ARE BAD.

    Anti-marijauna laws are insane and anyone who supports incarcerations for nonviolent crimes is a Republican and a racist.

    The ADL and SPLC won't have anything to do with you, everyone knows that, they need to remain looking somewhat credible.

    And, guess what?

    When one supports a political party, they don't get money, they GIVE it.

    You support Republican values, your prudish and priggish mentality screams Red State Republican.

    BTW- a very good friend did a doc on DVD called "Red State Road Trip", he interviewed people like you from Texas, we all found the footage very funny and yet so sad at the same time.

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  92. Your dulusions just keep getting bigger and bigger Isis. I do beleive that's a side effect of too much DRUG USE! LOL. Man, get off of your political high horse already its really getting old. You know nothing of my political beliefs nor will you because you couldn't handle them if you did. Go babble to whomever you think will listen that we are on some covert mission to bring the world to its knees or some shit like that. Hey, didn't you make that threat before? Hmmmm....LOL your too funny.

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  93. Schlafly- You come on here in your Puritan dress telling me that I am corrupting the world because of sex and drugs, and then you tell me I don't know of your opinions?

    I think you made them and who and what you are pretty damn clear.

    You are a social conservative, all of your statements directed at me proved that over and over.

    You have problems with the concept of legalized marijauna, you have issues with anyone who decides to smoke it, and you stand completely behind the laws created to keep mostly persons of colour behind bars.

    I think with all your spews about it being illegal and your insults to pot smokers revealed who and what you are pretty plainly.

    There were some sexual priggish crap in there too.

    Very Eagle Forum....very indeed...

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  94. Isis, you have no clue, which is your problem. You read into what I right with a warped take on things.

    Drugs are illegal. Right?

    Drugs ruin peoples lives. Right?

    You telling kids its ok to use drugs. WRONG

    Your the one that threw in a bunch of crap that I never responded too because you are so dead set on being on that "high" horse.

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  95. hell- I'll quote the first post on here from Stefan-

    "A crime is a crime regardless of who committed it."

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  96. No dear, marijauna should NOT be illegal.

    Drug laws are WRONG

    The present drug laws and penalties RUIN families and lives.

    So, what you support, ruins lives and is pure racism.

    This isn't a political "high horse", this is reality, and fighting these laws and keeping people out of prisons for them is true anti-racist action.

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  97. But drugs are illegal. And the people who use them know that and they know the risks. Plain and simple.

    My beef with YOU was that you encourge the use to minors Isis. This is what this conversation is about. Your the one who decided to go on this tangent about how peoples lives were being ruined and how I'm a prude for stating the fact that they are bad. You have major issues Isis, get help and get help soon. I on the other hand am going to bed because I would like to get a few winks in before church. Oh no! I go to church, I'm such a bad person now huh? Heaven forbid I believe in God!

    Night dear, I'll say a prayer for you later.

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  98. Yes, be a good red stater and go to church.

    You say marijauna is bad while you go buy into the "opiate of the masses"? Hahahahaaha!

    I would rather be an everyday pot smoker then a fool that buys into that religious dogma crap.

    Go pray for us heathens, you know, us pot smokers, homosexuals, feminists, athiests and elitist librals who would rather see a 17 yr old smoke pot than continue his racist ideas about black people, and how we think it is better to discourage him to abide by laws created in racism, because they are wrong and with evil intent.

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  99. Wow! I guess I missed the show-down last night! That's okay though, I'll bet I had more fun than you guys!

    Personally, Isis I don't care if you are going to meet with Sheehan or St. Peter. And...you should know that, unlike Willow, I detest the Shrub and everything that he stands for. I detest this war and want nothing more than to see all of these fundamentalist out of the White House and out of our lives.

    Additionally, I would vote for the legalization of marijuana in a heartbeat. While I choose not to partake in the smoking of this, I see 1)the medicinal value; 2)the tax-dollar value; and 3)the elimination of an archaic law that can't be enforced period.

    I believe that the incarceration of people for drug use and no other crime is ridiculous. And...I am against the death penalty.

    So...as you can see, Willow and I are often on the opposite sides of the polictical spectrum.

    That being said...the issue here, as I see it, is not marijuana, or liberalism vs conservatism - it's the fact that you encouraged a minor to engage in activities that, by law, are generally reserved for adults. I find that pretty repugnant, as well.

    Isis - even if marijuana were to be legalized or decriminalized, there would, undoubetedly, be age limits.

    Teen-agers need guidance just as much as ever. They also need limits - and the knowledge that someone cares enough to set them. When these needs aren't met, often their experimental nature gets them into a lot of trouble. Parents who don't meet these needs are not only doing a terrible disservice to their children, but doing nothing more than taking the easy way out.

    I too believe in letting children grow and experience many things - that doesn't include getting drunk or high or being sexually promiscuous, however. It's something called "values," Isis. Not religious values, but moral values. It's also called common sense.

    So...while you are out playing footsies with the Nazi's and trying to play both ends against the middle - some of us are taking care of our families.

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  100. Gee, that's funny that Isis claims to have spent "her kids' Christmas money" on Toledo 2.

    I recall very clearly a conversation we had about our favorite Charlie Brown movies.

    Isis said that hers was "The Great Pumpkin," while I argued that "Charlie Brown Christmas" was waaaay better.

    The friendly argument continued until she pointed out a fact that I had forgotten: "A Charlie Brown Christmas" meant very little to her, because she grew up Jewish and celebrated Hanukkah.

    Isis now says that she is a pagan, which is fine. But why would a Jewish pagan want to celebrate a Christian holiday?

    Unless, of course, Isis is not what she tells people.

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  101. LOL! Thanks Mike - and all that I have to say is "BINGO!"

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  102. Nikki said-

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    So...as you can see, Willow and I are often on the opposite sides of the polictical spectrum.

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    I'll admit I like Bush, not totally mind you. EVERYONE has their faults as do I. BUT I don't let our differences get in the way of our common goal. Fighting hate.

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    That being said...the issue here, as I see it, is not marijuana, or liberalism vs conservatism - it's the fact that you encouraged a minor to engage in activities that, by law, are generally reserved for adults. I find that pretty repugnant, as well.

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    Yes Nikki, this was my whole point but of course Isis can't see that.

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  103. Filthy bastard Bill White just had this amusing tidbit posted to Overthrow today-- Thooght it nelonged in this thread, as it is slightly related:

    Chicago, Illinois -- An adherent of the Creativity Movement, previously known as the World Church of the Creator, has been arrested and charged with a hate crime for allegedly beating and spitting on a 54-year old Jewish man in a fight over a radio, according to Chicago news reports and a bulletin issue by the ADL.
    Michael Eisenhauer is said to have punched the man, spat on him, and called him a "fucking Jew" after arguing with the man over the volume on a radio.

    The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith is demanding that the book be thrown as Eisenhauer, and has used the case to headline a new press release they issued chronicling an "uptick in anti-Semitic incidents" in the Chicago area.--www.overthrow.com

    Also, Mr. Bill is now claiming that NSM is attracting twenty new members a day, an assertion that some of us will be forgiven for viewing with a tad bit of skepticism.

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  104. Mr. Bill neglected to say that the
    "Creator" was also in possession of narcotics and he got mad because the elderly man asked him to turn his radio down. I haven't seen the ADL press release so I cannot comment on that.

    Twenty new members a day is just too funny - Bill just loves to lie. That whole story that was up about the riot in San Bernadino was so skewed that it was screwed.

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  105. I am now listening to Komrade VonBlubber, and some Nazi from Georgia--they are a very belligerent duo.

    Sounds like Von has been skipping his meds again.

    You know, with this presentation and attitude, I think we can safely close the drawer on the NSM; they aren't going to EVER attract anyone except the bitter "hardluck" contingent.

    No brains. No real growth. Their only threat is street violence, and that is NOTHING, in the long run.

    EB

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  106. They put me more in the mind of a "Hells Angels"-type organized gang, than a "political party".

    The incredible thing is that they actually believe they are GOING TO WIN THE WHITEHOUSE IN 2008!!!LOL!

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  107. Oh - I couldn't agree with you more! For all of their bluster they still remain nothing more than a quirky little gang of clowns. That guy from Georgia must be Chris Drake.

    If they are picking up 20 members a year they are doing something. The problem for them is that the ones they are picking up lack substance and quality.

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  108. Hal Turner can, obviously, not run a mixing board; I can barely hear the Georgia guy. They are both cussing their heads off, like a couple of mean, keyed-up hicks.

    The whole thing reeks of seediness.

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  109. "If they are picking up 20 members a year they are doing something. The problem for them is that the ones they are picking up lack substance and quality."

    I feel this is the situation with the whole "highly visible" part of the WN movement. The real danger lies in the "suit and tie" crowd of crypto-Nazis, like David Duke and Jared Taylor.

    Those guys DO know something about "presentation".

    EB

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  110. Where have we heard this kind of "numbers" talk before? Matthew Hale loved to play the numbers game, now his is up. LOL.

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  111. Ummm...guys, didn't Isis say she was going to meet with Cindy Sheehan tomorrow? Well guess that might not happen as Sheehan was arrested today. Don't know if she is out or not.

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