Monday, May 22, 2006

Identity Crisis

IDENTITY CRISIS



By Nicole Nichols


Alabama, the birth-place of civil rights, has long been struggling to promote a better and more positive image for its state. For decades, the people of Alabama have worked toward dispelling the stereotypical belief that it and the rest of the South is racist and non-compromising in their views against diversity. Home to a bevy of Civil Rights museums and monuments, Alabama offers tours to visitors and proudly discusses their history and how far they have come. It's all too sad that their efforts now have to be doubled because of the blight that one state candidate has cast on their hard work.



Larry Darby is running for Attorney General in the state of Alabama. Darby is the founder and one-time president of the Atheist Law Center. He believes that marijuana should be treated as alcohol and limited as such.1



As an attorney, Darby specializes in juvenile law and he has expressed a desire to "break the cycle of teenagers having babies and being trapped in a life of poverty, which is then repeated by the next generation."2 When there were protests over Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandment monument in the state judicial building, Darby led them. He also opposes a recently proposed constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriages as he says it is writing "religious doctrine into the Constitution."




All of this may sound pretty good to some - or at the very least, innocuous depending upon your political persuasion. However, Darby is now catering to another group of individuals with an agenda more noxious than anything he has proffered to date. That group is the white nationalists and supremacists who deny the Holocaust and promote an agenda for an all white America.



Larry Darby gave an interview to The Associated Press where he claimed that "no more than 140,000 Jewish people died in Europe during World War II, and most of them succumbed to typhus.3



He said that he realized that his views were somewhat radical but they should help him win wide support among Alabama voters as he tries to "reawaken white racial awareness" with his campaign against Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson."4



With that report the racist right was ecstatic. Finally they had a candidate that was viable, and who would support white America. The Democratic Party, however, was a little less enthusiastic about this admission. Shocked, they reported that they were deciding what to do about his candidacy. "Any type of hatred toward groups of people, especially for political gain, is completely unacceptable in the Alabama Democratic Party," said Joe Turnham the State Democratic Chairman.


Given that Darby has no money and no backing, it is a pretty safe bet that his comments and convictions came about for the "political gain" that the Chairman was speaking of. To add insult to injury, On May 13, 2006, Larry went outside the Alabama borders to secure support from the white supremacist group known as National Vanguard, of which he was a member. Attending the National Vanguard Conference in New Jersey, Darby mapped out his plan:


"Darby would use de-federalized National Guard troops and possibly state defense forces, he said, along with a citizen constabulary under the direction of local sheriffs, to stop the non-White influx and return the invaders to their countries of origin. According to Darby, Alabama have had state defense forces for some time, though they have not been used and garner little publicity.



"Mr. Darby, who is a prominent pro-free speech attorney, said that state officials need to recognize that the incursion from Central America is an actual invasion and that the invaders need to be captured and -- until they are deported -- humanely treated just as prisoners of war would be treated.



"Mr. Darby also indicated that he would seek the help of adjacent states -- and would in turn cooperate with them in what he called a "confederation" -- to ensure that invaders did not leave Alabama only to remain in other U.S. states. During the question and answer session after his address, Mr. Darby said that a period of martial law would be necessary to end the invasion, but only for a short time. He also stated that there was precedent for the broad outlines of his plan in earlier American deportations of non-White invaders."5


Darby also enjoyed the music of the Gaede twins known as "Prussian Blue" and took advantage of the opportunity to have his picture made with Lynx, Lamb, and their mother April. Also present were Kevin Alfred Strom, Paul Fromm, and David Duke.
Never mind that Darby's motives are very transparent and should be recognized by anyone with a scintilla of common sense - it gets better. As accolades were being sung by the racist right over the fact that they now had someone to endorse, there were a few who wanted to look a little deeper into Darby's background and they came up with a real winner. It seems that for all of his glib political talk about "racial awareness," and such, Mr. Darby has two daughters by a Chinese wife. That's right - for all practical purposes, Larry Darby is one of the most hated, a "race traitor."


Now, if you aren't already loving it - it gets better. The real proof of how strongly convicted the racist right is in their ideology surrounds the support or non-support of Larry Darby. Given the fact that to the white supremacist race mixing is the ultimate sin, it has been interesting to watch the reaction of those who embrace the Nazi mindset. It has also been interesting to see just how desperate some on the racist right are to have a candidate elected - they really hunger for some crumb that will validate their belief system.


When Wesley Sitton broke the news of Darby's miscegenation on Stormfront the debate took off like a wildfire. A number of posters were absolutely outraged and began their posturing for the forum standing firm on the movement's dislike of "race traitors." Patriot T from Jacksonville, Florida had this to offer, "I couldn't agree more. We have got to stop making excuses or lowering the bar, just because we agree with some of a persons views. To me it is same as AmRen allowing jew members.



There is no such thing as a little bit pregnant. You are either 100% with us, or you're not."


BaltNA88 says:
"There is no excuse to race mix. There are mistakes that people make that are unforgivable. Race mixing is one of them."


And later adds…
"It's very simple. Larry Darby is a filthy race traitor. He should be shunned not condoned for his treasonous behaivor."



Vajo jr weighed in quickly:


"I'm going to make it as plain as I can, without a whole bunch of talking, because those of you who are working for our cause, know just what I'm about, and what I mean when I say; your either with us, or your against us in this fight. There isn't any in between here folks. You don't have non-white children, and then go about saying that there is only one true race, and that is the white race. Think about it folks."



Not all, however, were willing to write Darby off their support list which demonstrates how fickle, hypocritical, and utterly desperate they are. We have been saying for a very long time that the racist right spews a lot of altruistic righteousness about their beliefs and their dogma, but few live within the parameters of those tenets. The racist movement is filled with needy people. They need recognition, they need validation, they need acceptance and they are desperately accepting of any bone that is thrown their way. Larry Darby is just another bone.



One of the most surprising of those to step forth in support of Mr. Darby was April Gaede. April has long been an outspoken and somewhat respected member of the racist right, but her recent stand on Darby could cost her some of that respectability. Citing Ron Stevens, a former flame, as an example, April spoke passionately about how Dr. William Pierce, while not accepting him as a member because of his background of miscegenation, embraced him and kept him in the fold. She further bashed white women with this harangue:



"White men with Chinese wives is a lesson to us about how feminism has created a hostile environment for men who want to be married to a woman that will stay home to raise her children and treat him like the head of the household. Unfortunatly [sic] many White men choose Asian wives with the hopes that they will get a wife who is not a materialistic feminist ballbasher like so many White women have become these days."



Further, April seems to believe that such mistakes as race-mixing can be atoned for:



"I am not making excuses for Darby or for my friend. It was a huge error and it was a disaster for us that these two highly intelligent men didn't [sic] find White women to create intelligent White children. But these are reasons why it happened that shouldn't[sic] be forgotton [sic] or ignored. And I see no reason now that they cannot make up for thier [sic]mistakes by working for our cause."



This is the same woman who, in an interview, claimed that should her daughters go outside of their race they would be disowned - she would never want to see them again.



April continued through several pages of forum debate to stand up for Larry Darby and she wasn't alone. Wolfsnarl, from Boston, had the following to offer:



"He's still far better than any other candidate out there, the kids he had were from a long time ago and I don't think Chinese is anywhere near as bad as blacks. He has said he opposes illegal immigration, the 'holocaust' propaganda, and anti-white discrimination, it appears all of these claims are true, I think this greatly outweighs anything in his past background that might be less than ideal."


So, which is it…zero tolerance on "race traitors" or "it depends?" Some indicated that they had no problem with "using" Darby to further their message but they wouldn't support him financially. Others vociferously opposed any alignment with the likes of someone so devoid of moral character as to mix with a "mud."



As the debate continues, the racist right continues to demonstrate their "needy" nature and their hypocritical actions. While it seems to be agreed that Darby doesn't have a ghost of a chance of being elected, there are those who will support him because he "says" the right things. Don Black was eely enough to not take a stand one way or the other. He attempted to change the focus by telling his minions that since Darby couldn't win they should look to the Lieutenant Governor's race as there was a viable candidate on the ballot. That candidate is none other than George Wallace, Jr. Wallace is an active member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, and we all know his lineage.



It's clear - they don't know what they believe or what is acceptable or not acceptable in their own ideology. It's also clear that they can accept anything as long as they see a modicum of benefit to their "cause." And, they really don't even know what that cause is.
















1. WPMI (NBC 15) Report (http://wpmi.com)

2. Ibid

3. Montgomery Advertiser, Jay Reeves (The Associated Press) May, 2006

4. Ibid

5. National Vanguard Conference Report (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8997) May 17, 2006

82 comments:

  1. Alabama is a model for other states—just recently, in 2004, Alabama voters rejected an [symbolic] attempt to remove segregationist language in the Alabama state Constitution.

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    While in 2000 they voted to keep their anti-miscegenation laws.

    If Darby can win anywhere it is Alabama.

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  2. This Holocaust ‘denial’ business is getting ridiculous---we live in the 21st Century. Even if it could be proven without a shadow of a doubt—people are entitled to their opinions. Unfortunately, for Abe Foxman and others (you know who you are), we do not live in a Fascist/Totalitarian state (where restricting freedom of speech is a norm). I find it amusing that some of you (and again, you know who you are) anti-racists/anti-fascists are more fascist than the avowed fascists.

    More to the point—we elect leaders who lie out of both sides of their mouth all the time—please, extend him the same courtesy.

    Remember, we live in a democracy (ahh, on the state level at least) and therefore it is not your moral objection to his viewpoints but the opinion of Alabama that counts.

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  3. Stefan Schmidt you are suffering from a serious problem. Your brain is defective, and you do not percieve facts in a proper manner. Very soon you and other racists will be able to get help with therapy, narcotics, electrick shock therapy, and surgical means to help you overcome your disease. Racism will soon be classified as just another form of metal illness.

    I am a lover of free speech. So jailing Holocaust deniers was a big dilemma for me. Is it OK to imprison someone because you dont agree with them? The answer is NO.

    But, I came up with a brilliant solution. Libel. We have libel suits protecting individuals from false allegations. What if we changed libel laws to include religious or ethnic groups? We get imprisoned revisionists without any threat to free speech! Problem solved. Right now you can make a false allegation against a man and go to jail, but making a false accusation against a race and its free speech. Baloney.

    Libel laws and mental illness related laws are the future. We can muzzle racists in either jails or mental institutions and still have an absolutist position on free speech.

    As I said, your brain is just not working correctly. You will get help.

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  4. There is no real point to respond to the poster (anonymous) above. He is obviously not acquainted with the Libel laws and it is clear that deductive reasoning is not one of his strong suits….

    I am also sure that fascist/totalitarian made justifications such as that (above) to restrict free speech. From now on, I will call you anti-racists/anti-fascists fascist-sympathizers because that is what you truly are.

    Interestingly, most Americans want to restrict illegal immigration, believe that there is a biological component to race, and Blacks disproportionately commit crime—that puts you fascist-sympathizers well out of the mainstream.

    You have also labeled Rushton, Lynn, Jensen as pseudo-scientists… Since the majority of IQ experts (53%) believe that the difference between Blacks and Whites has a genetic component—that makes your statement libelous (by your logic) and I advocate imprisonment and deportation to Rwanda for you fascist-sympathizers.

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  5. It should be noted that only 17% of IQ experts believe that the differential is purely environmental (between the races)—this indicates that they practice pseudo-science. : )

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  6. It should be noted that Stefan Schmidt is a dumbass.

    My God April Gaede is one nasty looking whore.

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  7. It is also noted that you are a penis sucker. She looks better than yo' mama.

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  8. I feel sorry for Nikki’s blog—fascist-sympathizers are obviously to dumb to proffer intelligent commentary. They turn her blog into a gutter with such comments: My God April Gaede is one nasty looking whore ^ It is also noted that you are a penis sucker. She looks better than yo' mama.

    It’s too bad the eugenics program of the 20’s was discontinued. However, there is good news—eugenics is coming back (now disguised as genetics).

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  9. It will be interesting to see how many votes Larry Darby gets in Alabama.

    I noticed that the Gaede family is all fake blondes. And I wonder who funded their trip from California to New Jersey?

    Today, Al Sharpton is asking to get Darby off the ballot.

    According to the latest poll, Darby is getting 12 percent of the vote there.

    It will be interesting.

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  10. If we introduce mandatory vasectomies for anyone that sees the inside of a jail cell then approximately 1/3 of Black males would eventually become sterilized.

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  11. @Harry,

    12% is a strong showing—especially, considering his credentials. I salute the voters of Alabama.

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  12. Usually just getting a name on a ballot will give you quite a few percentage just based on either voter ignorance or people who vote against the recumbent no matter what.

    And Stefan, what do you think of Dolby having two children through a chinese mother? That makes him a race mixer and a traitor doesn't it?

    And I wonder what the percentage of white supremacist who have seen the inside of a prison cell? I'd bet if they could keep stats, it is above 33 percent.

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  13. Herein lies the problem, Harry. So many people vote the party ticket without checking out any of the candidates. And this man got on the Democratic ticket - how in the hell did that happen?

    I would like to know Stefan's views on Darby's miscegnation as well.

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  14. And I wonder what the percentage of white supremacist who have seen the inside of a prison cell? I'd bet if they could keep stats, it is above 33 percent.--Harry

    "It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
    — Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., in Buck v. Bell, 1927

    More eloquent words have never been spoken…..

    And Stefan, what do you think of Dolby having two children through a chinese mother? That makes him a race mixer and a traitor doesn't it?--Harry

    First, in the spirit of politics, one does not pick the perfect politician. There will, inevitably, be certain things that are far from impressive but one must weigh all his options and the cost of the alternative.

    As for my personal opinion—I am not going to pass [moral] judgment. The voters of Alabama will do that just fine…..

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  15. Incidentally, Harry—you forgot to mention organizations such as the Council of Conservative Citizens. I doubt 33% (or anywhere near that number) from that organization sees the inside of a jail cell.

    The various prison gangs that claim to be white supremacists don’t really count. Everyone knows that their commitment to any cause extends only to their personal gratification.

    Sterilization of violent and frequent offenders should remove the bottom from our society—white, black, asian, hispanic, etc.

    You will find, however, that [disproportionately] more blacks are sterilized in comparison to whites—after all, they comprise 50% of our penitentiaries even though they compromise a mere 12.5% of our population.

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  16. You guys are forgetting to mention that it was a poll—not a ballot where the ignorant voter simply checks the box for all democratic candidates.

    They were specifically asked if they wanted to vote for him [Darby]—I would hope they would abstain if they knew very little of him [most do].

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  17. Stefan Schmidt said...
    "The various prison gangs that claim to be white supremacists don’t really count. Everyone knows that their commitment to any cause extends only to their personal gratification."

    I'm sorry, Stefan, but I am afraid that your counterparts would not agree with this statement. Look at all of the recruiting that is done in the prisons.

    Also - when voting in a major election with several different seats up for grabs - the ballot will often allow you to do straight party voting rather than voting for each candidate individually. That is what I was referring to. I realize that you probably haven't had that opportunity yet.

    So, where do you stand on the "race mixing" issue?

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  18. And of course while Stefan is worrying so much about black crime...

    Nearly all murders and rapes of white people are done by white people themselves. Well over 80% of all murders and all rapes of white people are done by white people. In fact when it comes to murder, it's close to 90%.

    So Stefan, if you have a daughter, you shouldn't worry about the black man. You should worry about the white man. If all the blacks disappeared tomorrow, the odds of your future daughter being raped would only go down slightly.

    http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/

    As far as the CoCC and Amren, they don't "name the jew" as you call it. The CoCC got press here in South Carolina when they were fighting to keep the confederate flag on top the state house. They failed but the idiot governor at the time decided to put it on a flag pole in front of the state house in even a more seeable position.

    That governor lost his re-election bid.

    And I'm sure the voters of Alabama will do the right thing and vote 80 to 90% against Mr. Darby in the democratic primary.

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  19. Not this voter...

    I am gonna vote for Darby and Roy Moore!

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  20. Anny wrote: "Stefan Schmidt you are suffering from a serious problem. Your brain is defective, and you do not percieve facts in a proper manner. Very soon you and other racists will be able to get help with therapy, narcotics, electrick shock therapy, and surgical means to help you overcome your disease."


    Hey! I suggested he should take up smoking pot and I got snake bitten for it! ;-P


    Darby's shooting fish in a barrel politics proves he is nothing but a stupid media slut much like Fred Phelps.

    From now to '08 elections we are in for a carnie act in the world of politics.

    Fasten your seatbelts kids, we are in for a bumpy and regretable ride.

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  21. Also - when voting in a major election with several different seats up for grabs - the ballot will often allow you to do straight party voting rather than voting for each candidate individually. That is what I was referring to. I realize that you probably haven't had that opportunity yet.--Nikki

    Yes, I am aware of this. I was explaining Harry’s statistic—since the 12% came from a ‘poll’ and not a ballot (where, as you indicate, voters could simply check one box). The poll was most likely conducted via telephone—those people that responded likely know of Darby and his politics (otherwise they would [hopefully] answer ‘undecided’).

    So, where do you stand on the "race mixing" issue?--Nikki

    Ignoring Political Reality—I assume you want my opinion on the issue?

    Well, I am not losing sleep over it. I believe I have shown indifference to this issue---I have not scolded Toni (an old poster here) for her choice to sleep with a black male. I tend to be a libertarian on this issue.

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  22. stefan schmidt said, "...to dumb..."

    Dumbass!

    ROTFLMAO!!!

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  23. So...Stefan. You are a white nationalist who hopes to eventually see the day when a white America will be a reality yet you are a "libertarian" on race mixing? Um...okay, how does that work?

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  24. Harry,

    FACT 1: Blacks are more violent than Whites

    FACT 2: Blacks are more likely to attack a White person than a White person is likely to attack a Black person.

    That being said, it should be noted that your conclusions are shallow. For example, humans are more likely to kill other humans than poisonous snakes are likely to kill humans.

    Why? Because humans are less likely to come in contact with poisonous snakes than with violent humans.

    You can thank segregation (voluntary), Harry for those statistics.

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  25. Nikki, I don’t believe I have ever called myself a WN. I don’t believe I ever stated that I wanted America to be homogenously White. I will defend some positions but….

    My beliefs here:

    There are differences between the races

    However, that does not translate into being a WN.

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  26. Okay, fair enough Stefan - so what are you? You frequently defend the positions of the racist right, and you clearly do not believe in equality of the races. So...what are you and what is your opinion of the groups that are currently part of the "movement." (And I do use that term loosely.

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  27. Stefan,

    FACT: Whites are much more violent toward other whites than blacks are toward whites.

    FACT: Blacks rarely attack other whites. The majority of crime is white on white.

    FACT: According to the link I posted, 69 percent of all violent crimes are done by whites and over 90% of the victims in those cases are other whites.

    FACT: Therefore, the majority of violent crime is white on white in America. Not black on white or black on black.

    So Stefan as a white man, the odds are much greater than a white person will commit a crime against you and your family.

    But yet you worry about black crime being the problem for white people.

    That's not logical.

    ----------

    Lloyd Davies aka pizza delivery boy in his mid 30s,

    I know you would vote for the racist candidates considering you are one yourself. Maybe it's time I send out those envelopes to your black neighbors in that cheap apartment complex you live at. Once they learn about your racism, I bet that will educate you somewhat.

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  28. Okay, fair enough Stefan - so what are you?--Nikki

    Well, this is a difficult question to answer.

    I would characterize myself as a progressive .

    I promote the improvement of human hereditary (via the means of both negative eugenics and positive eugenics).

    I promote strict immigration enforcement—only the educated, industrious, and intelligent are allowed visas to enter this country.

    I promote the abolition of federal laws mandating integration—integration/segregation should be left up to individual communities and states

    I promote the abolishment of the welfare state—both through laws and eugenics

    I promote a American foreign policy for Americans—no pandering to foreign nations and big business at the expense of blue-collar America

    I promote the destruction of the corporate-owned media---the public should have direct control [and oversight] over the media

    I promote science over Christian dogma—i.e., I promote evolution over Creationism

    These are some of my beliefs. I will add more if you are still interested.

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  29. FACT: Whites are much more violent toward other whites than blacks are toward whites.--Harry

    Harry, I already explained this statistic. Whites live [for the most part] in racially homogenous communities. If Whites were suddenly to be [completely] integrated then this statistic would reflect the opposite.

    FACT: Blacks rarely attack other whites. The majority of crime is white on white.--Harry

    If you compare communities that are somewhat integrated (cities) then you get the opposite result. Not to mention countries like Rwanda and South Africa. Also, you forgot to mention that Blacks attack Whites more often than Whites attack Blacks.

    FACT: According to the link I posted, 69 percent of all violent crimes are done by whites and over 90% of the victims in those cases are other whites.--Harry



    1. Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.

    2. The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.

    3. Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.

    4. And yes, everyone's suspicions about rape are correct: Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.


    Jared Taylor, VDARE

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  30. To continue with Nikki’s question [what is my opinion on the WN movement]

    I disagree with them on this aspect:

    I do not desire a 100% White America however, I desire to keep America’s identity as a White country (so, I promote keeping America at least 60-75% White).



    I have said before that I am not fond of the NSM, Aryan Nations, etc.

    I believe the Aryan Nations to be more of a cult than a movement. I believe the NSM to be more of a historical reenactment society than a movement [those costumes and WW2 salutes do nothing for their credibility].

    I tend to agree more with COCC and Amren. However, I believe a new party is required [one that does not make race a central aspect of their ideology].

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  31. Stefan said
    blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks.

    That's a flat out lie Stefan.

    http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook

    And I don't argue with if..... The truth is, nearly all crime committed against whites are done by whites. There is no if....

    Stefan said:
    Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes.

    But there were 95,000 reported rapes in 2004. SourceWhich means 80,000 of them were not black on white or white on black. That's like 82% of all rapes were intraracial not interacial.

    And considering the source you are quoting, I don't know if the 15,000 figure is valid or not.

    And here is another table for you to examine Stefan. Go to table 43a

    FBI Stats by race

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  32. And to show everyone what a fruitcake Lloyd Davies, Timelord is, here is a picture of himself that he posted himself.

    Lloyd's pic

    What kind of a man in his mid 30s post pictures of himself doing this unless there is some sort of mental disorder?? That's Lloyd Davies.

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  33. Interracial Crime


    • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

    • Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

    • Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

    • Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

    These are the statistics Jared Taylor is citing

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  34. Crime Rates
    • Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
    • When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
    • Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
    • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

    Gangs
    • Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
    • Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
    Incarceration
    • Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
    • Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
    [same source]

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  35. Again, Harry, you are comparing apples and oranges. Most Whites do not live amongst Blacks. To obtain the true picture one must compare interracial crime rates.

    You could easily say that Blacks in the Congo almost never commit violent crimes against American Whites—Why? Because American Whites hardly come in contact with Blacks from the Congo.

    Most Whites [in America] live in rural communities with few to no Blacks in the general vicinity. However, Whites that live amongst Blacks are disproportionately targeted.

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  36. No I am not comparing apples to oranges, I am comparing apples to apples.

    Whites to whites.

    Blacks to Blacks.

    You are the one comparing apples to oranges with your comparisons.

    Black on white.

    Think about it for a minute.

    Now back to what you said.
    However, Whites that live amongst Blacks are disproportionately targeted.
    And your evidence for this is???????

    You also said
    Most Whites do not live amongst Blacks. To obtain the true picture one must compare interracial crime rates

    Wrong, to compare the true picture have you to consider the facts. Since most whites do not live with blacks, you can't spectulate a "what if" since the "what if" doesn't exist.

    Again, you want to play if... or pretend scenrios.... But I suggest you stick with the facts.

    The fact Stefan can't stand is most crimes are done by whites and most crimes are white on white, not black on white.

    Stefan wants to believe otherwise because he needs something to rationalize his hatred toward blacks.

    And again, you are getting your crime stats from hate sites that are quoting bogus statistics.

    Why don't you use the real crime stats at fbi.gov and at http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook ???

    Because it will prove sites like VDARE lie.

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  37. Stefan,

    again I quote stats from the FBI and USDOJ

    you quote stats from a hate site

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  38. Harry, I must say you know how to go toe to toe with this stuff. I especially love this:

    And I don't argue with if..... The truth is, nearly all crime committed against whites are done by whites. There is no if....

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  39. Stefan Schmidt,

    Bravo! The way you've been holding your own against these liberals, who can only call names and refuse to back up their arguments with hard references has been magnificent!

    Harry and Nikki, either post where you get your "facts" (website, bbok or article using APA or MLA format), or kindly shut up. I'm tired of people like you constantly harping on "studies show" or "statistics prove" without citing a reference.

    Oh, and Harry: I've got an MBA. Every paper I had to write needed a MINIMUM of TEN references. I also had to do the statistics. Can you do a statistical hypothesis using a 95% or 99% probability? Do you know what the mean, mode, and median is? No? Then kindly shut your fat, high school dropout piehole. In short, produce the evidence or shut up. And, don't hide behind the First Amendment there Harry, it's only a shield for fools like you.

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  40. Oh, and Harry,

    I've also read the FBI statistics, and it seems that their study is fallacious in that they lump Caucasians and Latinos together. You do know how to read, don't you Harry?

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  41. Harry, I fail to see your logic. A White in rural Michigan [with hardly a considerable black population near him for many miles] is not going to be attacked by a black person [laws of probability]. Just like you are not going to be attacked by a Shark until you enter the water. Let’s compare interracial crime statistics…. These crime statistics [for the most part] compare crime for integrated populations [when blacks and Whites live in proximity].

    You have failed to answer why 85% of all violent interracial crimes are caused by Blacks against Whites. Answer this Harry.

    Your argument that Whites victims are more prone to intra-racial violence than interracial is a none-argument! America is a quasi-segregated society. Whites hardly come in contact with Blacks.

    That is why it is important to look at the interracial statistics—crime is local. A Black in Detroit will not attack one in middle Michigan.

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  42. Oh, thank you anonymous.

    I forgot to mention that when the FBI statistics refer to ‘White’ offenders, they often lump other groups such as Hispanics, N. Africans, and N. Americans.

    The statistics I cited state that Hispanics are 3 times as likely as Whites to commit violent offenses—this obviously invalidates that statistic.

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  43. VDARE and the Color of Crime get their statistics from the FBI. They have numerous citations on their website if you distrust them.

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  44. To remind the reader:

    I have stated that Blacks are more violent than Whites. I have proven this by statistics and Harry has not challenged this.

    I have also stated that blacks commit more violent crimes against whites than whites against blacks. The actual numbers are 85% to 15%--Blacks compromise a mere 13% of the population.

    Blacks disproportionately commit crimes in relation to Whites.

    Harry is trying to muddy the waters here by stating that the level of intra-racial violence is higher than interracial violence.

    He fails to mention, when using that argument:

    Blacks compromise only 13% of the population.

    America is a quasi-segregated society—few Whites come in contact with Blacks.

    When the crime is interracial—85% of the time, the offender is Black and the victim is White.

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  45. Anonymous coward wrote:

    Oh, and Harry: I've got an MBA. Every paper I had to write needed a MINIMUM of TEN references.

    Then why don't you hold white supremacist to the same standard like Stefan hummmm?? Like I have always said, white supremacist hold themselves to a much lower & stupid standard then everyone else.

    And I am not writing a college paper.

    an you do a statistical hypothesis using a 95% or 99% probability? Do you know what the mean, mode, and median is?

    Yes I do. It's basic business statistics in a 100 or 200 level college class.

    Example
    Number set: 2 3 4 6 7 4 2 1 1 1 1

    The mode is 1
    The median is 2
    The mean is 32 divided by 11

    :)

    Figuring out standard deviations is pretty simple also.

    Anyhow I don't have time to play too many low level math games, I've got to rest in order to drive up Maryland tonight.

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  46. Harry: answer this question:

    Who is more likely to commit a violent interracial crime—a Black male or a White male?

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  47. Harry, Blacks commit violent crimes at a disproportionate rate. If you factor in population, you are more likely to be attacked by a Black person than a White person.

    The problem here is that Blacks are only 13% of the population---thus, by not comparing rates, you are comparing apples and oranges.

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  48. Harry Schwartz once again shows his colours by name calling. Now, did I do that? No, I merely pointed out how his arguments are flawed.

    Harry, proving your arguments with backup is not "writing a college paper." As a liberal, you choose to "shoot from the lip." In other words, you hope to win by the louder you scream.

    As far as holding up Stefan to the same level, Stefan backed his up with persons who did the studies (although he also should have given names of websites, books, periodicals, and so on for independent reasearch). On the other hand Harry, you provide NOTHING.

    Oh and Harry, name-calling only shows the measure of the person you are. You call these "white superemecists" "low-level & stupid:" what does that make you with a crack like "anonymous coward?"

    Oh, and by the way Harry, what is YOUR education level? And, what do YOU do for a living?

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  49. Stefan Schmidt,

    Bravo, you're using statistics correctly!

    Schwartz, on the other hand, is not. For one, the FBI report lumps Caucasians and Latinos together, which makes "white on white" crime a fallacious argument. The first thing you learn in statistics (something I learned as an undergraduate, and then again as a graduate student), is that data could be flawed. Unfortunately, way too many people (including Schwartz), go by the assumption that data is correct. Now, if you've actually worked in data collection, such as taking surveys (something I had to do when working my way through university), then sooner or later it's going to dawn on you that some respondents will lie. Now, you can either work with that data, which will skew the results, or you can collect fresh data, and hope that your new respondents will be truthful.

    Now, when I used statistical data in my papers in graduate school, I would always add (in parens), "Provided data is correct and respondents were truthful." That way, it tells my reader(s) to take such studies with a grain of salt.

    The same can be done with the FBI "study." Since the FBI lumps Caucasians and Latinos togehter, one cannot point and say, "Look at the high number of white-on-white crime." That is because there will be white-on-Latino crime, as Latino-on-white crime, and Latino-on-Latino crime. You might as well through the whole thing out, and redo it with Latinos in their own category to get a truer picture.

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  50. Willow,

    If you can't (like Harry) read the statistics, then kindly don't quote it, okay? The FBI "report" lumps Caucasians and Latinos together, making the "white-on-white" section useless.

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  51. Harry,

    What was that again you said on NIMbusters? "You say what you are." Are you an anonymous coward there Harry? Hiding behind a keyboard, ruining lives with your baseless "facts?" Harry, are you using your employer's facilities to "get after" others? Should I contact your employer there Harry and have you fired for misappropriation and theft of company property?

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  52. Harry, on table 43a, I see only categories for: White, Black, American Indian or Alaskan Native, and Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Hispanics are left out—well, it does not have its own category but Hispanic statistics are added to White European statistics.

    Now, with that addition [and Hispanics, according to my statistics, are 3 times more likely to commit a violent crime than Whites], Whites [plus Hispanics] commit only 50.5% of murders and nonnegligent manslaughters. While Blacks commit 47.2%.

    I mean, if there was any doubt, you answered your own question Harry.

    PS

    Thanks, anonymous, for drawing my attention to this.

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  53. Edit: All the tables, on the website you sourced, possess only those 4 categories [when breaking down the statistics according to race].

    I referenced 43a in particular because that is the table you told me to scrutinize.

    As anonymous pointed out: that invalidates your statistic.

    Undoubtedly, you would have to factor out Latino on Latino, White on Latino, and Latino on White to obtain the statistics for White on White crime. Since Latinos are 3 times as likely as Whites to commit violent offenses—a major portion of your statistic, is well wrong.

    Again, thanks anonymous. :)

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  54. Stefan,

    Glad to help out against a bunch of bullies.

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  55. Nearly all murders and rapes of white people are done by white people themselves. Well over 80% of all murders and all rapes of white people are done by white people. In fact when it comes to murder, it's close to 90%.--Harry

    Incidentally, Harry, where did these results come from?
    According to the table
    I pulled from your website, these are the numbers:

    White victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughters in 2004 -->3,727
    White offenders contributing to that number-->3,123
    Black offenders contributing to that number-->522

    That means the percentage would be--->3123/3727 or 83.79%

    Notice that Blacks make up 522/3727 or 14% of that statistic (higher than their representation in the population, which is 12.5%).

    So Stefan, if you have a daughter, you shouldn't worry about the black man. You should worry about the white man.--Harry

    This is false according to your statistics.

    There are 300 million people in America and approximately 75% of those people are classified as ‘White’ and 12.5% are classified as Black.

    Now, that means the approximate White population is: .75 * 300,000,000 or 225,000,000.
    The total Black population is .125 * 300,000,000 or 37,500,000.

    Now, let’s compare the ratios: 3,123/225,000,000 or .00001388. For Black’s: 522/37,500,000 or .00001392. This difference may seem small but the ratio is .00001392/.00001392 or 1.00288 times.

    So, even with your extremely flawed statistics, the average black person is more likely to kill my daughter than the average White man.

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  56. Edit: This difference may seem small but the ratio is .00001392/.00001392 or 1.00288 times.--me

    The last number should be .00001388 so the ratio is .00001392/.00001388. The ratio is Black vs White. By being greater than 1, it indicates that the average Black person is more likely to commit this offense than the average ‘White’ person.

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  57. White on White murders.... 3123
    Black on White murders.... 522

    Mr. Schmidt claims there is more black on white murders.

    I always thought 3123 was greater than 522.

    Must be the new White Power math.

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  58. Is that new math what leads to the "opening of a new unit of one" equates to a huge upsurge in membership?

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  59. Unit 9 and Nikki,

    Ever hear of "proportionate?"

    Benjamin Netanyahu on Fox News claimed recently that, during a spate of terror attacks, Israel suffered more in these attacks than the U.S. did on 9/11. But then, Natanyahu was using proportionate math, that is, because of Israel's smaller population, Israel was suffering larger casualties because it had a smaller population or, given the American population, Israel would be suffering close to 9,000 casualties.

    I very much doubt Mr. Natanyahu is a "white supremecist" practicing "white supremecist math." Also, I suggest you two try looking up proportionate math on the web, and do the practice problems for yourself.

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  60. Actually, anon - I really don't care enough to "do the math." You see, I really don't think any of this matters - at all. Are you any more dead if shot by a black man?

    I have absolutely no inclination to get involved in a circular argument that leads nowhere. The problem is violent crime - not what color the perpetrator is.

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  61. OH NO! the saviors of the white "race" threw up in the comment section again. ..

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  62. A Jew who knowsMay 26, 2006 12:28 AM

    Mr. Natanyahu = White Supremist

    He murdered Rabin and destroyed all of his peace efforts by promoting an extremist Zionist policy within the state of Israel which had brought them into the condition it is in today.

    Mr. Natanyahu is the same as any hate group leader out there only he has done more harm to Jews and the people of Israel than any dress up SCA style Nazis of today.

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  63. It is actually funny that Unit 9 does not understand proportions. I believe 3rd grade school children understand proportions. Funny that.

    White on White murders.... 3123
    Black on White murders.... 522

    Mr. Schmidt claims there is more black on white murders.
    --Unit 9

    I believe ‘9’ is your IQ, unit 9. No, I said no such thing. Incidentally, I will quote what I said--- I understand that people that posses a low IQ have trouble reading….

    Now, let’s compare the ratios: 3,123/225,000,000 or .00001388. For Black’s: 522/37,500,000 or .00001392. This difference may seem small but the ratio is .00001392/.00001392 or 1.00288 times.

    So, even with your extremely flawed statistics, the average black person is more likely to kill my daughter than the average White man.

    Edit: This difference may seem small but the ratio is .00001392/.00001392 or 1.00288 times.

    The last number should be .00001388 so the ratio is .00001392/.00001388. The ratio is Black vs White. By being greater than 1, it indicates that the average Black person is more likely to commit this offense than the average ‘White’ person.
    ---me

    I explicitly referred to the ratio. Unit 9 is either too dumb or too dishonest to admit the truth.

    Unit 9 is either too dumb or dishonest to understand that Blacks are only 12.5 of the population in comparison to ‘Whites’ who are 75% of the population—hence, the need for a ratio.

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  64. Actually, anon - I really don't care enough to "do the math." You see, I really don't think any of this matters - at all. Are you any more dead if shot by a black man?

    I have absolutely no inclination to get involved in a circular argument that leads nowhere. The problem is violent crime - not what color the perpetrator is.
    --Nikki

    Your reasoning does not change the facts—Blacks are more violent.

    I will state this directly: Blacks are a ‘cline’ between archaic hominids and modern humans. Only Australian Aborigines are more primitive—incidentally, some scientists wish to classify them [Australian aborigines] as homo erectus [they share 14 of the 17 homo erectus traits, higher than any group, my source].

    OH NO! the saviors of the white "race" threw up in the comment section again. ..--a Midwest antifa

    It’s enjoyable. You cannot defend the indefensible. You resort to Ad hominem attacks.

    Evolution works regardless of your opinion.

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  65. Stefan, are you familiar with the works of Phillipe Rushton? If so, what do you think of his findings?

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  66. Mr. Schmidt,
    Should really quit;
    His opinions are a pile of shit.

    He rants and raves,
    And misbehaves,
    And moans awhile to cover it.

    He hates the blacks,
    And hates the Jews,
    (This really isn't any news).

    He'll piss and moan,
    And sit alone,
    And demand that we accept his
    views.

    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    You're giving all of us a fit.

    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    I thought last month that you were "quit"?

    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    You've got a name,
    That doesn't rhyme with "tame" or "game".

    It rhymes with "shit",
    And "fit",
    And "quit",
    (And "lackadaisical half-wit").

    Oh Stefan Schmidt,
    You wunderkind,
    You grey goose-stepping friend o' mine.

    I'll let you ramble on with it,
    And get a laugh from...

    ...Stefan Schmidt.

    --Count Borg Mesphistopheles









    93/93

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  67. Here's an update on Larry Darby. The Natallnews website has just posted an interview with him. Regarding the "race-mixing" issue, this is how he responded:

    BEGIN QUOTE
    "Some supporters of White nationalism, in their capacities as cyberspace activists, are working against me because they "discovered" that 20 years ago I had a Chinese wife, whom I divorced in 1993. Some things are being grossly distorted or misrepresented, as anytime emotion-based gossip reigns over clarity of thought".
    END QUOTE

    Click here for the full story.

    So if he was a race-mixer before he got his head straight and became pro-white, he cannot be condemned for it. However, he retains responsibility for any children from that union until they reach the age of majority. That's not only the right thing to do, it's the "white" thing to do.

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  68. Stefan, are you familiar with the works of Phillipe Rushton? If so, what do you think of his findings?---Nikki

    You will have to more specific. Incidentally, I read mainstream books on evolution—not Rushton.

    I discovered, for example, that the brain sizes of Homo erectus varied depending on latitude—i.e., the brain sizes of Homo erectus increased as the latitude increased [Handbook of human symbolic evolution. Lock and Peters. Clarendon Press--Oxford 1996.].

    The reasons given were: colder climate forced Homo erectus to eat more meat—thus accelerating brain growth.

    Colder climate forced Homo erectus to develop better shelters and master fire.

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  69. I want the ‘gallery’ to be aware that I never stated that I was quitting—I stated that I was ‘leaving’. Quite simply, I had to go to several universities across the United States and thus posting would be impossible. However, when I returned, I fell ill. I decided to resume posting during my recovery.

    Incidentally, EB, stated he was ‘leaving’ twice—one such pronouncement did not last longer than a few hours. The other did not last more than a few days.

    EB contributes nothing to this blog except ad hominem attacks.

    EB's posts are riddled with homosexual imagery—second only to Elmer’s posts.

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  70. (And "lackadaisical half-wit").--EB

    I want the ‘gallery’ to be aware that EB’s best job to date was a substitute teacher of the mentally retarded.

    My, what kind of intelligence is required for that job?

    I lament that the eugenics program of the 20’s was discontinued—it would have made EB’s services to ‘humanity’ unnecessary.

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  71. His opinions are a pile of shit.--EB

    I have supplied facts—you have supplied nothing but an irreverent opinion of a mentally ill substitute teacher [yourself].

    I am sorry that evolution is so painful to hear—go back to fascinating about the Jews and those ‘pesky’ Muslims. Your opinions are trite and uneducated.

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  72. Only 16% of biologists agree that ‘race’ is purely a social construct [Lieberman et al. 1992].

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  73. Stefan has spent the better part of the last few nights attempting to prove that “Blacks are more violent.”

    He then states that “evolution works regardless of your opinion.”

    (Let me put on my nondiscriminatory biological racist thinking cap on and see what I can come up with using Stefan logic)

    I guess that is why Black people in the USA have a higher birth rate then white people. Evolution is at work… a once majority white nation sliding quickly towards a white minority! If the innate violence of Black people is properly harnessed and directed at white people then white people can be exterminated as they are undeveloped and have not evolved to be violent.

    @@@

    Stefan your arguments are full of fucking holes. Your conclusions are wild jumps from whatever data you are looking at and I can tell you that no one is interested in spending their free time trying to decipher your random postings.

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  74. Stefan has spent the better part of the last few nights attempting to prove that “Blacks are more violent.”--a midwest antifa

    Attempting? I have done so. 50% of our penitentiaries are composed of Blacks—who are only 12.5% of the population.

    I guess that is why Black people in the USA have a higher birth rate then white people. Evolution is at work… --a Midwest antifa

    You would be correct—primitive species tend to depend on procreation for survival. Look at bacteria.

    a once majority white nation sliding quickly towards a white minority!--a Midwest antifa

    You can thank the Hispanics for that. Luckily, Blacks obtain abortions. In fact, I will go to Detroit and advertise contraceptives to the local high school students.

    It will be my duty! :)

    If the innate violence of Black people is properly harnessed and directed at white people then white people can be exterminated as they are undeveloped and have not evolved to be violent.---a Midwest antifa

    LOL! I wouldn’t place too much hope in Blacks—have you ever heard of AIDS?


    Stefan your arguments are full of fucking holes. Your conclusions are wild jumps from whatever data you are looking at and I can tell you that no one is interested in spending their free time trying to decipher your random postings.--a Midwest antifa

    Then don’t. I am not sticking a gun to your head—some people want to debate via the internet. Some don’t have time.

    However, I find it somewhat entertaining that instead of posting an intelligent reply [exposing my ‘fucking holes’] you posted some uninspired drivel—I thought you were short on ‘free’ time?

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  75. "I am sorry that evolution is so painful to hear—go back to fascinating about the Jews and those ‘pesky’ Muslims. Your opinions are trite and uneducated."--Asshole

    ---

    And your prose has all the appeal of babyshit brown wallpaper. Pick up some "word-building" exercises.

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  76. "Quite simply, I had to go to several universities across the United States and thus posting would be impossible."--Walter Mitty

    ---

    That's a lie, jagoff. Every university on earth has the internet now, and don't tell me a spoiled kid like yourself doesn't ALSO own a portable laptop.

    Second, every public library in America has a computer lab with internet access. It's become as common as the fucking T.V.

    What, you think we all live in fucking caves?

    Now, what the bloody hell do you do at these "multiple institutions" then? Run around a giant hamster wheel?

    Do they give you cheese?

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

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  77. "I want the ‘gallery’ to be aware that EB’s best job to date was a substitute teacher of the mentally retarded."--Arsehole

    ---

    Actually, I work grades K-12, Spec. Ed, as well as Alternative School, and regular classes.

    I doubt you could handle it. I mean, after all, you have confessed to being a COWARD.

    Now, say you got some big black dude in front of you, and you and him have to get along right-as-dodgers day in, day out--for a whole week. Whaddya do?

    You sure as hell don't pop up with any of your ignormaus snot-nosed drivel about the "natural" inferiority of one race as compared to another.

    And, all in all, you might be surprised. Some of the BEST behaved kids are black kids. And some of the most serious tudents, as well.

    So, stop talking out the ass about subjects you , really, are not qualified to expound upon, Teenybopper.

    Borg

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  78. Amazing, 78 comments about nothing.

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  79. EB’s contributions to this blog are minimal. I will stop responding to him out of respect to Nikki’s blog—it is obvious that all EB can do is sling around feces.

    EB has yet to introduce any academic material or facts into the comment section—I have introduced several.

    EB might be in his late twenties but his intellectual development is much lower—this would explain his penchant for ad hominem attacks instead of intelligent conversations.

    That's a lie, jagoff. Every university on earth has the internet now, and don't tell me a spoiled kid like yourself doesn't ALSO own a portable laptop.

    Second, every public library in America has a computer lab with internet access. It's become as common as the fucking T.V.

    What, you think we all live in fucking caves?

    Now, what the bloody hell do you do at these "multiple institutions" then? Run around a giant hamster wheel?

    Do they give you cheese?

    ROTFLMAO!!!!
    --EB

    I had to work, EB. The only time I had for posting was in the early morning or late at night. Neither of which was desirable since I prefer sleep to posting on the internet.

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  80. Amazing, 78 comments about nothing.-_EB

    LOL! Like your comments amount to anything?

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  81. So, stop talking out the ass about subjects you , really, are not qualified to expound upon, Teenybopper.--EB

    I am not sure what academic credentials your opinions have. I mean, religious studies—wow!

    I am majoring in mathematics and physics. Two subjects that you probably could never grasp above the 8th grade level.

    Incidentally, if I was just majoring in mathematics, I would be done next year. I would complete 4 years of University in 2. I would be 19 with a bachelors in mathematics.

    I have also read more books on genetics/evolution than the years in your age. My father has a PhD in Biology from Cornell University as well.

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